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The worst and most frustrating film in the series....

posted 8 years ago by ActionJunkie007
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As a kid, I was a huge fan of this film and I wish I could somehow unlock that feeling again during re-watches, but this one is just so painful, it's near impossible to step around it's shortcomings. Some things that I can't overlook:

-So they kept the time frame established from Nightmare 1/2 but couldn't at least have one or two of the kids from the pool party? I mean, none of these kids knew each other, but they are all same age and lived on Elm Street? )"You are the last of the elm street kids") Seriously?

-So Nancy knows the REAL danger of Freddy and confirms he is "real" to Kristen, but then just keeps it to herself until AFTER kids start dying?

-So Simms doesn't believe any of you?? BRING HER INTO A DREAM KRISTEN! Ugh, seriously, this is the most aggravating part! How simple would that have been???

-So the "puppet master" can ghostly walk through lock doors and that isn't suspicious enough to warrant more attention? Your answer to that is to lock their rooms? He already went through locked doors! So how is that going to help?

-Seriously, she jumped 10 feet in the air and threw herself head first into the TV set?

-I am the wizard master and can hurt you with my spells but instead of staying a safe distance away, why don't I just run towards you to get into glove range!!

-So Nancy, Joey yells, breaks some mirrors, and you all of a sudden believe Freddy is dead? Just like that? And your d*ck of a dad's "ghost" somehow enters KRISTEN's dream?? And he's sweet and loving and you fall for it?? GTFOH!

-So with the time gap, we are to assume Freddy has been "toying" with these kids ever since the events of Nightmare 1? Why does he finally start killing them then>? And why keep Joey alive? Certainly if he died, they would have been more adamant to punish the doc/Nancy for prescribing the hypnocil!

I could point out even more flaws with "story" and I can't see why anyone likes this anymore, aside from maybe having Nancy in it(she's very yummy in this!). The script is easily the worst in the series and Freddy just makes no sense at all. It really bugs me that fans of this film bash Nightmare 2 when this film does even more questionable things with "dreams". Seriously, who's "dreaming" at the junkyard?? No one. But Freddy can manipulate the entire place, throw cars around, and of course, EXIST in the real world by possessing his own skeleton?

Anyone else feel this one gets worse every time they watch it?

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[–] bossdog677 8 years ago

All the kids don't live on Elm Street. That line "last of the elm street children" is for the audience who believes this is a movie about a killer street like how Christine is about a killer car or Microwave Massacre is about a killer Microwave.

If Nancy would have said something when the kids start dying they would have put her in a padded room as well and she wouldn't be able to help them at all

Freddy finally started killing them because there was no one else left to kill and he kept Joey alive as a means to draw in Nancy who was on hypnocil and the rest of the kids who were about to be on hypnocil and it also served to dissuade the hospital from using Nancy's and Neil's methods so no hypnocil.

Can't argue with the other points however

[–] ActionJunkie007 8 years ago

That line "last of the elm street children" is for the audience who believes this is a movie about a killer street

HAHA, that's great! Still though, kind of odd none of these people knew each other yet they are somehow connected to Freddy/Elm/Springwood supposedly when they were kids.

If Nancy would have said something when the kids start dying they would have put her in a padded room as well and she wouldn't be able to help them at all

I get that one but once Nancy discovers Kristen's "power", why wasn't Simms invited to the group session? The one obstacle in their way the entire film is Simms but no one in this group ever thinks to involve her once? The first session is the worst because Simms is right there telling Nancy that the dreams are only repressed guilt. She knows otherwise so know they have to make her believe, JUST LIKE THEY MADE THE DOCTOR believe. But nooooo, ugh, its so frustrating to watch!

he kept Joey alive as a means to draw in Nancy who was on hypnocil

But the whole Hypnocil thing doesn't make any sense either because regardless of Nancy being on it, she's still pulled into Freddy's dreams. Heck, she still sees "Come and get me, B" while Joey is under(and Kristen wasn;t involved/dreaming) and shouldn't her meds have prevented that?? And how come a bunch of teens are having severe nightmares, the actual doctors themselves never thought about a DREAM SUPPRESSENT? Especially after one patient cut off his own eyelids? They had to look up what it was?? Talk about incompetence!

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[–] tinkerbell_jonna 8 years ago

Apparantly Elm Street is a HUGE never ending street! lol

I know in the Freddy's Nightmare series most all the events take place on Elm Street with a different group of ppl who apparently have no knowledge of previous events.

ALSO I found it strange that Kristen lived on Elm Street, and she was constructing Nancy/Freddy's house out of pop cycles and Nancy tells her she used to live in that house ~which is also on Elm Street~ and Kristen says, "That is just a house I dream about." It seemed odd to me that Kristen lived on Elm Street her whole life but had NEVER seen that house before ~except in her dream~.

[–] ActionJunkie007 7 years ago

Apparantly Elm Street is a HUGE never ending street! lol

HAHAHAHAHAHAH apparently!!!

I know in the Freddy's Nightmare series most all the events take place on Elm Street with a different group of ppl who apparently have no knowledge of previous events.

HAHA yeah! I really enjoyed the first season of Freddy's nightmares. what a great slice of 80's symbolism! Season 2 really disappointed me and I couldn't even get threw the first disc. I hate how they made Freddy Parts 5/6 makeup/jokester/western Freddy.

ALSO I found it strange that Kristen lived on Elm Street, and she was constructing Nancy/Freddy's house out of pop cycles and Nancy tells her she used to live in that house ~which is also on Elm Street~ and Kristen says, "That is just a house I dream about." It seemed odd to me that Kristen lived on Elm Street her whole life but had NEVER seen that house before ~except in her dream~.

Definitely odd! And that house, ugh, why did they make it so run down?? According to the year, this takes place roughly a year or so after the events of part 2, so why is it like that? I'm assuming to look "scary" but it just doesn't make sense and Part 4 makes matters worse that it's still up in that form when everything else in the neighborhood looks clean and beautiful. Who would settle for that, when no one owns it anymore??

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[–] tinkerbell_jonna 7 years ago

I have heard ppl speculate that MAYBE the run-down house was Freddy's, and the normal looking one was Nancy's, but being on the same street they just looked very similar, and Freddy kinda used that to mess with ppl's minds.

[–] ActionJunkie007 7 years ago

I have heard ppl speculate that MAYBE the run-down house was Freddy's,

Very interesting and with this one, we only see the Freddy/Nancy house run down in dreams, so it's very possible that the house still looked just like it did in Parts 1/2 in the "real world". Part 4, though, made it the same in the real world and I think they were going off part 3, without taking dreams into consideration.

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[–] WhiteManFromTown1986 7 years ago

My beef with the film is how they hardly explain how Nancy managed to avoid Freddy. Yes I know she was on Hypnocil, but was she prescribed right after the first? Did she have to do a drug study? Did the doctor from 1 help her get it?

6 years is a long time. You're telling me not once did Freddy manage to sneak up on her? It always annoyed me because a brief 5 minute scene could totally explain it.

And we never got a Nancy and Freddy confrontation scene. Except the "youuu" part.

I'd imagine he'd be so pissed at her for busting his balls she'd be target 1. It seems he just moved on.

In the original draft of the script they have an awesome reunion scene and he almost gets her actually.

Also Nancy was aware it was a trick in that draft as well. The rewrite dumbed her down.

[–] tinkerbell_jonna 7 years ago

I always wanted to think that Nancy left Springwood shortly after the events of part 1, and Freddy cannot travel outside Springwood at that point.

[–] ActionJunkie007 7 years ago

6 years is a long time. You're telling me not once did Freddy manage to sneak up on her? It always annoyed me because a brief 5 minute scene could totally explain it.

I'm with you!! She shows up with Hypnocil but seriously, she got them RIGHT after the events in part 1? But wait, if she wasn't continuing to have bad dreams after, and didn't know Freddy was still alive, why did she need to take them in the first place? And if she did take them to keep Freddy away, why was she so surprised to see him alive and well in someone else's dreams? It just doesn't make sense either way you view it!

And yeah, Nancy was really wasted overall. It was awesome to see her again and I think the Heather fan club is what keeps Part 3 on the tops of many people's lists.

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[–] flapjackashley 7 years ago

I totally agree on being cheated out of a Freddy/Nancy confrontation scene. They barely had any interaction at all throughout the entire movie until the end.

[–] ericachristine 7 years ago

While there are some frustrating points on the movie, it's still a great classic. You have to remember they're kids, not adults so they're not going to do the most intelligent things, especially when they're scared, confused, and sleep deprived. If you can't stand it anymore there's a simple solution, just don't watch it and remember it for what it was in the 80's. Films were way different back then, I've watched many things that I loved in the 70's & 80's that don't seem near as good now as they did then. People DO dumb things in horror movies anyway, worst pet peeve being never turning a damn light on in a dark house...grrrr....

[–] ActionJunkie007 7 years ago

If you can't stand it anymore there's a simple solution, just don't watch it and remember it for what it was in the 80's. Films were way different back then

Yeah, most likely, I won't revisit part 3 much going forward. It's funny too, because Part 4 has some similar lapses in logic on how Freddy fits with what's going down (as well as trying to continue from 3, which messed things up, like Freddy;s house) but I still enjoy Part 4 for pure nostalgia and 80's awesomeness! I hoped 3 would give me what 4 gives me, but it's just too frustrating and overall, not really that enjoyable to watch. It's like it's still trying to balance funny and scary, but since it doesn't quite commit, it's just very unbalanced. I'm definitely not knocking anyone for loving it, but I don't see it as much of a "classic". I think 4 captured the 80s better and parts 1/2 capture Freddy and the scares better. This one is just kind of there...

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[–] walkertroy96 7 years ago

these complaints are nitpicks at best...

[–] ActionJunkie007 7 years ago

these complaints are nitpicks at best...

Perhaps a bit, I can admit that. But they all tie into the overall enjoyment of watching it and it's just frustrating when you try and follow the story and keep hitting roadblocks in logic.

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[–] ActionJunkie007 7 years ago

Heck, the film would have ended if he JUST. STOOD. STILL.

YES!!!!!!

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[–] lindseyd310 7 years ago

way too much nitpicking going on here lol

[–] ActionJunkie007 7 years ago

way too much nitpicking going on here lol

Perhaps haha, but It's just something I can't get passed. Typically, horror movies have characters doing stupid things, so I get that, but this film has the adults and the authority figures also doing nonsensical things too. And the worst really is not bringing Simms into a dream. Kirsten brought in Nancy and Neil to "show them" Freddy. She brought in everyone else too. So pretty simple, Simms is going to "kill everyone" there with sedating them. So how about showing HER that Freddy is real?? Kirsten also never brings in her mom which is really dumb too! In both parts 3 and 4, Kirsten just allows her Mom to believe it was all a dream, even though she had the tools necessary to prove it wasn't.

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[–] wesperkins 7 years ago

I never really thought about all the points you made, at least all at once lol. Some may call it nit picking, but they are valid. I just took the movie for what it was and didn't think so hard back when I watched it. I think for some younger viewers, what's lost in what made this such a favorite was to me it began the role of the "funny" killer, who had good one liners. Previously you could only see it in something like Commando. I'm not sure if Wes Craven's Shocker was before or after this, but it also had a funny killer, using some good lines. And having the kids team up was a cool aspect at the time. One point that bugged me but you didn't mention was that in the previous Nightmares, no one has special powers. Then all of a sudden they all have these special gifts. And I haven't seen any after the 4th nightmare, but idk if anyone else has special powers. It was just weird to me how the powers just appeared and no one else before them had them, but conviently all the kids with powers are together. Still, I did love it back then. It is dated, and I think the acting of Nancy and Kristin were horrible. I think they were on a lot of xanax in addition to hypnosil lol. But it always has a place as a fav of mine, even with the bad stuff. I haven't seen it in probably 15 years though. I'm wondering if I'll still love it as much. I watched it over and over when it came out, and had it on VHS.

[–] Axisunbound12 (127) 7 years ago

I always assumed Freddy kept Joey alive as bait, and once they entered his dream world, he would try to divide and conquer. Sort of how it played out in the movie?

[–] Red1983 (60) 3 years ago

Yes Joey was used as bait. To lured Nancy and her homies into his dream 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7401) 3 years ago

I don't see how Dr. Simms and the girl getting smashed into the TV are anymore ridiculous than Part 1 where there is blood on the walls and ceilings (and it's a really high ceiling)showing Tina was dragged there but no ladder to reach said ceiling. Yet the cops believe a human being with no ladder did that. Or Nancy's dad and mom refusing to believe Nancy about Freddy entering her's and her friends' dreams even after pulling his hat out of the dream.

[–] Bossdog677 (1448) 2 years ago

Part 3 and Part 5 are better by just watching the death scenes on YouTube and not actually watching the movie.