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Top 10 Movies of all time( without ranking)


For me, the greatest movies ever made are ( without mentioning their rank):

Ben-Hur
Lawrance of Arabia
Dr. Zivago
Gone with the wind
Dances with wolves
Godfather I
Godfather II
The last emperor
English patient
Once upon a time in America


Any comments?

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I've got a comment. See some more movies, because I'm about to fall asleep thinking about the movies you have listed. Now, don't get me wrong, all of the movies you mentioned are of quality, but I can't believe those are your top ten favorite films (or are they just what you think are the best?). Have you ever watched a film that was less than 3 hours long? Again, don't get me wrong, I have no problem with long films and all of these earn their runtimes. Epics aren't always the best.

What about Annie Hall or The Apartment or Do The Right Thing or Almost Famous or Close Encounters of the Third Kind or Goodfellas or Sideways or The Sweet Hereafter or Being John Malkovich or Fargo? Ten of my favorite.

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Thanks for the inspiration, ktpc!

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To tell you the truth the OP has far better taste than you do.

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I agree ...

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The man or woman likes his/her epics, what's wrong with that?

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i don't realy agree but i've never seen
Ben-Hur
Lawrance of Arabia
Dr. Zivago
Gone with the wind
Dances with wolves
Godfather II
The last emperor
English patient
but the one's that i have seen i don't agree i didint lke the godfather that much or Once upon a time in America AT ALL so sew ME!

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you are truly a moron. just BECAUSE I'M 14 DOES not mean that i don't have an opinion *unintelligible*.... YOU'RE means YOU ARE, YOUR is possessive. and do I really have to correct you twice for "becuse"? You clearly cannot spell and have no idea how to use contractions. I feel dumber after trying to translate your idiotic rant.

grammar corrections aside, you can't tell someone that their top 10 movie list sucks if you have only seen two of the movies and didn't like them. I'm not here to agree or disagree with the original list, I just felt compelled to point out how much of a half-wit you are. However, I would like to add that Gone With the Wind is a chick flick. Good day, sir.

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1. He never said that the OP's top 10 list sucked. He said he didn't like the ones on the list that he's seen. Learn how to read.
2. You insult his grammar when you don't even know that you're supposed to capitalize the first letter of a sentence.
3. You need to shut your face.

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Your a stupid wet behind the ears inexperienced kid.
You dont know life yet, and dont deserve an opinion.
Get some facial hair, and come back then.

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Who the hell do you think you are? Just because someone is under the age of 18 does not mean they don't have opinions. Every human being has the right to their own opinion and you are an ignorant bastard for thinking that you are a better person for someone else based on age. You a truly the most ignorant moron I've ever encountered in my entire life and in my OPINION should be banned from this board. And just in case you were wondering, I'm only 17 years old, I love this movie, and I can use contractions as well as any other adult. You shouldn't judge people based on their spelling ability or age; in fact, you shouldn't judge people at all!

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The Big Lebowski
Taxi Driver
Chinatown
Pierrot le Fou
Apocalypse Now
On The Waterfront
City of God
Repo Man
Miller's Crossing
In A Lonely Place

I'm 16. Dryghten, go *beep* yourself.

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yeah, jesseleehooker, i don't see how you don't agree if you haven't seen 8 of the OP's 10 movies. I didn't really like Once Upon a Time in America THAT much, though it's no doubt a good movie, just not my preference. Godfather is one of the most beautiful films ever made, and the second one pretty much equals it.

The OP's list isn't bad, though it's obvious he likes epics. My top 10 would probably be:

Adaptation
Memento
Strangers on a Train
Leon
Godfather
Lawrence of Arabia
Barton Fink
The Purple Rose of Cairo
Rushmore
Dr. Strangelove

There are a lot more I'd want to include, but those are the first 10 I could think of.

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I would agree with Lawrence of Arabia and The Last Emperor, but that is about it. I agree with what the other person said, there isn't enough variety in your selection, I think all top 10 lists should have a more eclectic range, not just sprawling 3 hour stories! :D

Lawrence of Arabia
The Last Emperor
Shawshank Redemption
Braindead
Falling Down
Elephant Man
The Hudsucker Proxy
Contact

I don't have a top 10, was just trying to rack my brain but can't!

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Well at least his list doesn't include movies like Falling Down or Contact... no offense.

Anyway, here are some of my favorites:

Failan
Apocalypse Now
HANA-BI
Rashomon
Grave of the Fireflies
The Godfather
Taxi Driver
Annie Hall
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Blade Runner

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Falling Down is what Taxi Driver could have been, I wish Scorsese could have go his hands on the Falling Down idea back in the 70's, it would have been the best film ever! As for Contact, I mean lets face it, as a story there has never been a more important one ever told and never a wiser man than Sagan.

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Taxi Driver, Deer Hunter, Citizen Kane, Pulp Fiction, Donnie Darko, The Matrix, The Godfather, Fight Club, Goodfellas, Memento.

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"Falling Down is what Taxi Driver could have been"

That's like saying Wings are the band The Beatles could have been.

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Nice list...had never heard of Failan or HANA-BI, but i'm putting them in my blockbuster queue because of your other choices!

(Also, I've fallen out of love with Annie Hall. Dunno, it happens!)

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If you want a more eclectic list, here is mine.

These movies have either influenced me, inspired me, or otherwise have had a big impact on my life.

So, in no particular order:

Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb,
The Shawshank Redemption
Requiem for a Dream
Back to the Future (Trilogy)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Bulworth
Platoon
The Departed
Star Trek 2: Wrath of Khan
Star Trek: First Contact

Let the hate and flame war commence!

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Falling Down is a good movie.. but it's nothing compared to Taxi Driver.. Taxi Driver is a classic.. It's a movie you can watch over and over again without growing.. I think Martin Scorese and Robert De Niro did a perfect job of capturing being a loner and an outcast of society in Travis Bickle.. anway, enough about that I think "The Last Emperor" is a brilliant film, but I wouldn't put it on the Top Ten list either..

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Couldn't agree more. Falling Down was enjoyable viewing, but Taxi Driver grabbed me by the collar and threw me around the room. Scorsese's best, in my opinion (or is it Goodfella's? I'm torn between the two.)

Some of the other movies mentioned are clearly critic's favorites, but I gotta admit, they dont exactly *POP* for me. I think alot of these movies are a little too long and drawn out. Lawrence of Arabia, Once Upon a Time in America, and The Last Emperor....I just couldn't get into them, and I'm a HUGE movie fan. And I just can't figure out what the appeal of Vertigo is. I love Hitchcock and Stewart, but I could name five Hitchcocks I like better than Vertigo.

And I will...
Rope
Psycho
The Birds
North By Northwest
Lifeboat
The Man Who Knew Too Much

Make that six.

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> Some of the other movies mentioned are clearly critic's favorites, but I gotta admit, they dont exactly *POP* for me. I think alot of these movies are a little too long and drawn out. Lawrence of Arabia, Once Upon a Time in America, and The Last Emperor....

Then what the hell you are doing on The Last Emperor board is a huge mystery to me...

And you say that...

> and I'm a HUGE movie fan.

but you say that you...

>And I just can't figure out what the appeal of Vertigo is.

????

Maybe, you are too young... The Last Emperor can be understood even by teenagers, but Vertigo... you need to be matured and have understanding on humanity to get the film (or actually, watching Vertigo can be a good education to grow up...), and to really enjoy Lawrence of Arabia you should know a little bit about sexuality.

> but I could name five Hitchcocks I like better than Vertigo.
>
> And I will...
> Rope
> Psycho
> The Birds
> North By Northwest
> Lifeboat
> The Man Who Knew Too Much

The other four are fine, but... Rope??? Richard Fleisher, a very talented and innovative, yet totally under-appreciated director made a far profound film on the same subject...http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052700/, when with the Hitchcock technical extravaganza, apart from the stunning acting by Farley Granger who is doing everything to express what was really going on (when none of the other participants including Hitchcock himself either didn't know what was going on, or was too afraid to recognize that), it's just a series of meaningless camera movements and that's all..

And if you don't get what I mean by "what was really going on," then no wonder you didn't get The Last Emperor or Lawrence of Arabia; one thing all these three have in common--the protagonist is (in case of Rope, they are) homosexual.

And as for the "Top 10 movies," well, there are so many...

M Fritz Lang
Chyenne Autumn John Ford
La Passion de Jeanne D'Arc Carl Dreyer
Tokyo Twilight Yasujiro Ozu
Ugetsu Kenji Mizoguchi
Il Conformista Bernardo Bertolucci (sorry, but not The Last Emperor)
La Prise du Pouvoir de Louis XIV Roberto Rosselini
Rules of the Game Jean Renoir
Kundun Martin Scorsese
McCabe and Mrs.Miller Robert Altman
The Boston Strangler Richard Fleischer
Advise and Consent Otto Preminger
Yi Yi Edward Yang

... anyway, the most personally influential ones...



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I never said I didn't understand these movies; I said I didn't understand their appeal. There's a difference. And I'm old enough to recognize implied homosexuality when its on the screen. I just don't see how that improves the viewing experience; its just part of the story.

About Rope: Too bad Hitch is dead now. You could have explained to him all about the movie he made. He would have apreciated the info, I'm sure. (Funny, of the other Hitchcocks I mentioned as better than Vertigo, I figured it would be The Man Who Knew Too Much that I would get called out on.)

That's quite an impressive top ten list you proffered. But I could get just as good of a nappy-nap with the Golf Channel on.

I would never claim that a movie like The Matrix was better than Emperor, or Lawrence, or any of those you mentioned. Just more entertaining.

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> I never said I didn't understand these movies; I said I didn't understand their appeal.

Which means that you didn't understand what these films really are.

> There's a difference.

How?

> And I'm old enough to recognize implied homosexuality when its on the screen. I just don't see how that improves the viewing experience; its just part of the story.

It's definitely part of the characteristics of the protagonists and a key element to their motivations in these films--and you didn't get them.

> Funny, of the other Hitchcocks I mentioned as better than Vertigo, I figured it would be The Man Who Knew Too Much that I would get called out on.

Why? It's definitely one of the most interesting film of his from the 50's, one of the films of his that have realistic protagonists for sure. As a suspense probably the 1936 version is superior, but the 56 version has more depth, particularly about the relations between a husband and a wife.

> I would never claim that a movie like The Matrix was better than Emperor, or Lawrence, or any of those you mentioned. Just more entertaining.

The first Matrix was a very entertaining film, but Lawrence of Arabia is more entertaining for sure, and so are Vertigo or The Last Emperor. M is still one of the most thrilling and scary film ever made, because the vision it offers about the system of the modern society is so correct and profound. And generally speaking, in-depth character studies are far more entertaining than enduring shallow cartoonish archetypes.

Unless that you are very dumb, "entertainment" needs to includes intellectual and intelligent stimulations, stuffs that make your brain function, otherwise the passive experience of just sitting in front of a screen like a dumb for a couple of hours without any of your brain cells functioning... well, that's the very definition of being bored. And the two other Matrix are very boring, by the way.

> About Rope: Too bad Hitch is dead now. You could have explained to him all about the movie he made.

I don't have to; he knew he made a lot of compromises with Rope, and since the censorship of the day didn't allow him to go in depth with what really interested him initially about the Patrick Hamilton play, he decided to do an exercise on techniques instead of what he initially wanted to make; a film about a crime committed by men overwhelmed with their complexes, motivated by surpressed sexuality, the jealousy and the rivalries between two gay lovers... He even said that himself that he had to make compromises about that film,

But you didn't answer the most important question I posed to you: What the hell are you doing here if the film The Last Emperor doesn't interest you? What is your point in even coming here? That's silly, and extremely immature.

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>>But you didn't answer the most important question I posed to you: What the hell are you doing here if the film The Last Emperor doesn't interest you? What is your point in even coming here? That's silly, and extremely immature. <<
Hell, I don't know. Was just thinking of buying the DVD, just checking out the boards. Sorry for the trespass, I must have missed the "Non Last Emperor Lovers Keep Out" sign.

I agree about Matrix 2 and 3. Un-needed loads of crap. I only used the original as an example because it was flawed, would never be considered a 'work of art', and was, nonetheless, very enjoyable (IMO).

You REALLY don't understand the difference between 'understanding a movie' and 'understanding the appeal of a movie'? Seriously?

Agree about The Man Who Knew Too Much, I really enjoyed it. Too bad it didn't have a gay protagonist, it might have made your top ten. (j/k)

I'll confess to having seen NONE of the movies you listed a couple of posts ago, although I'm familiar with some of them, and would like to see them all. Always looking for new (or new-old) cinematic sensation; its just extremely tough to find any of these on DVD. I scavenge in the used DVD stores, and though I do find the occasional treasure (got Night of The Hunter for $2), I've unfortunately never run across any of those titles. Do you get these flicks on DVD? If so, do you have to special order them, or what?

You sound like you really know movies. Feel free to list some more Cinema Obscura that might be worth looking out for.



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> Hell, I don't know.

It is a very dumb and stupid thing to do, also very immature. If you cannot recognize your motivation to be so stupid, then go see a shrink. Maybe he/she can help.

I mean, you go to an IMDB page about The Last Emperor which you are not even interested. Then you even take your time to go to the discussion board which is reserved for discussions about The Last Emperor, where people who have opinions about that particular film post their questions and opinions. You go to a thread within that page entitled "Top 10 Movies of all time" which of course is going to be a series of lists of people who are at least interested in the film The Last Emperor, so there would be people who either are interested in the "historic epic" genre, or hard-core auteur film by directors like Bernardo Berolucci, who then are of course intrigued by the themes regarding sexuality, especially obsessive/compulsive/contradicting sexuality since Bertolucci's films almost always include that, or political filmmaking since Bertolucci is a hard-core political filmmaker (and sexuality is part of his political thinking), or the sensual esthetic of the visual images, colors, movements, and such, since Bertolucci is also known for the sensuality and the strength of his visuals.

Obviously people who are somehow capable to see films including their depth, and entertained by these artistic and/or human depth are the majority on this board since it's reserved for discussion about The Last Emperor, or they would be entertained by beautiful things that they don't see in their daily life, like images of the Forbidden city. Naturally, there would be many people who would be fully entertained by a film like Vertigo, since for the sophisticated audience they would enjoy the complexities of sexual themes in both Vertigo and The Last Emperor, or entertained by the visual beauty of these films.

And you come in to say this so childishly naive and superficial dumb opinion of yours...


I agree about Matrix 2 and 3. Un-needed loads of crap. I only used the original as an example because it was flawed, would never be considered a 'work of art', and was, nonetheless, very enjoyable (IMO).


...which means there is something very wrong with you, that you are either just very dumb, or you have more seriously deranged motivation to do that. So think about it.

You should also reflect upon tour very shallow and superficial, schematic and empty concept of "entertainment" and "enjoy." Why people would go to museums to see paintings by Monet, Renoir or Vermeer? Because to see a beautiful painting is a great entertainment, a very enjoyable experience. Why people would spend their holidays and their own money to fly to Beijing and visit the Forbidden City? Because they enjoy the experience. That's entertainment.

> would never be considered a 'work of art', and was, nonetheless, very enjoyable (IMO).

Then your opinion just exposes your ignorance since the original Matrix was filled with concepts of contemporary arts, and indeed was more supported by art critics and plastic artists than by film critics.

> You REALLY don't understand the difference between 'understanding a movie' and 'understanding the appeal of a movie'? Seriously?


So now the dumb immature person is starting the typical lying process; who was talking about the appeal of a movie in general? Like the appeal of Titanic to young women is very easy to understand, and that appeal-basically a substitute for pornography since young girls are too shy to look for pornography. We were talking about the appeal of films like Vertigo, The Last Emperor, or the appeal of Lawrence of Arabia once we get used to its spectacular visuals--beyond it's spectacular visual compositions, Lawrence of Arabia is a fascinating film because it's one of the films that really described and analyzed how a 20th century fascist mindset is formed, then decomposed, and Robert Bolt and David Lean was using Lawrence's closeted homosexuality and sadomasochism as the trigger of the formation of that fascist mindset. To understand that in a human level is one of the ultimate fascinations of that film.

Or, that is true with [iVertigo[/i] or The Last Emperor, these films are very close depictions of human flaws, and it is fascinating to see these characters doing a series of dumb wrong decisions that would certainly push themselves into their own traps eventually, half-self-made, half-imposed by the flawed structures of our society, and that is the appeal, since you have your own brain continuously stimulated by learning how humans beings as well as their society functions. That certainly is entertaining for grown-ups who themselves live with those limitations and flaws of their owns, and within a flawed world.

> Agree about The Man Who Knew Too Much, I really enjoyed it. Too

Then name one typical scene in the 1956 version in which you could really see the complexity of the relation between a husband and a wife. I know you cannot, since you don't have the ability to see humanity in the movies you see. There are many scenes about that, but one which is fantastic and really nails the point down (which by the way was improvised by Jimmy Stewart and Doris Day).

> Too bad it didn't have a gay protagonist, it might have made your top ten. (j/k)

Are you trying to make a homophobic insult, or are you so foolish you again naively exposing your ignorance? Among the ten films in my list there are only two films with homosexuality mentioned in it; Il Conformista by Bertolucci, and Preminger's Advise and Consent.

M is a film about a serious killer, and Berlin in 1931 running crazy and paranoid because of the serial killer. Cheyenne Autumn is a film about the Cheyenne people, betrayed by the U.S. government, leaving their appointed reservation and journey to their home, the Yellow Stone country--one of the first American film directly critical against the treatment of the Native Americans in the U.S.History. The Passion of Joan of Arc is a film about the trial and execution of Jeanne D'Arc. Tokyo Twilight is a family drama, and about the decomposition of a family. Ugetsu is a film set in war-torn Japan. The Rise in Power of Louis the XIV is as what the title says; a political drama of how the French King Louis the XIV became what is now considered the greatest moment of the French monarchy. Rules of the Game has only one minor character who is gay but serves as comic relief of an ironic romantic comedy about various confusing love affairs set in the decadence of the European aristocracy. Kundun is a historical/political/religious drama focusing on the life of one of the most respected religious leaders of the world today, the Dalai Lama of Tibet. McCabe and Mrs.Miller is a western by Robert Altman. The Boston Strangler is about the notorious Boston Strangler case and the investigation to arrest that serial killer. Yi Yi is a portrait of a Taiwanese middle class family, each of the family members facing some decisive moment in finding the meaning of their lives.

And Il Conformista is an in-depth study of how a man becomes part of a totalitarian militaristic macho-obsessed political system (in this case the Italian fascism movement), while Advice and Consent is a film considered by many critics and filmmakers as the greatest American film about politics, specifically Washington politics.

So why did you write "it didn't have a gay protagonist, it might have made your top ten. (j/k)"? How can that be even a joke except in your immature deranged mind obsessed with inferiority complexes? Are you rally dumb, and so arrogant you don't even recognize your silly ignorance?

> Do you get these flicks on DVD? If so, do you have to special order them, or what?

Silly. All the films on my list except for Rossellini's La Prise du Pouvoir de Louis XIV are available on DVDs in the United States, most major DVD stores carry these titles, also most libraries with good DVD collections. And there is also the internet. You go to Amazon.Com for instance and you can very easily buy them.

You don't even know the basic function of IMDB. Just put the title in IMDB search engine and you'll certainly find, including whether they are available on amazon--and you'll see that La Prise du Pouvoir de Louis XIV is available on DVD in France. So either you are, again, very dumb, or you are a hypocrite--actually both.

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To quote another enjoyable movie that I'm sure you wouldn't approve of:

"Lighten up, Francis." (Gosh, and there's a movie chock-full of homo-erotic suggestion, isn't there?)

As I explained previously, I was interested in The Last Emperor, that's how I ended up on The Last Emperor IMDB page. Get it? I checked out the message boards, and saw a board about Top Ten movies. Follow me so far? Now here's the tricky part: I weighed in. I put in my two cents worth. I wasn't really dissing any movies; just saying some so-called classics are a little 'slow' for my tastes. Strange, I thought thats what message boards were for. Maybe you need to seek out the "Pretentious Movie Snobs Who Look Down Their Nose At People Who Can't Recite Bernardo Berolucci Line For Line" message board, and then have at it.

As I said: Lighten up. For someone who seems to enjoy calling other people "immature" and "ignorant", you sure are quick to the cheap insult, aren't you? Lighten up, we're already so VERY impressed with your complete and total cinematic acumen. I was interested in that mental database of yours, not so much, now. I'm sure you don't watch films for enjoyment or escape. You're probably too busy, while the movie's playing, being so very proud of yourself to actually enjoy the story. This serves to solidify my feeling that it would suck to be you.

And to touch on a couple of your lamer points:
<<<<> You REALLY don't understand the difference between 'understanding a movie' and 'understanding the appeal of a movie'? Seriously?>>
<<"So now the dumb immature person is starting the typical lying process; who was talking about the appeal of a movie in general?">>>>

I was. You really need to work on the 'reading and retention' part of your posting. Again, I'm the dumb one, right?

And just forget the whole Matrix thing. I was only using it as an example, one that was clearly lost on you. I'm sorry I ever brought it up.

...and finally (and the funniest of all):
<<<Then name one typical scene in the 1956 version in which you could really see the complexity of the relation between a husband and a wife.>>>

Jeez Louise, a POP QUIZ! Let me get my No. 2 and take a crack at it, boy oh boy! Clearly, you reference one particular moment, as if the only pertinent scene was the one you read about at the "Freaks Who Must Study Film and Take All The Fun Out Of It" web site (you gonna share that URL, or what?), but I'll go against the grain and say the most interesting husband-wife dynamic (for me) was involving the Draytons, particularly in regard to Hank, whom Lucy became surprisingly protective of. It made me wonder if they hadn't perhaps once lost a child of their own.

So there you have it, Poindexter. Tear into it. Time to show everybody just how movie-smart you are, and how movie-ignorant I am.

Or just lighten up.

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> To quote another enjoyable movie that I'm sure you wouldn't approve of:

And you have been already told...


where people who have opinions about that particular film post their questions and opinions. You go to a thread within that page entitled "Top 10 Movies of all time" which of course is going to be a series of lists of people who are at least interested in the film The Last Emperor, so there would be people who either are interested in the "historic epic" genre, or hard-core auteur film by directors like Bernardo Berolucci, who then are of course intrigued by the themes regarding sexuality, especially obsessive/compulsive/contradicting sexuality since Bertolucci's films almost always include that, or political filmmaking since Bertolucci is a hard-core political filmmaker (and sexuality is part of his political thinking), or the sensual esthetic of the visual images, colors, movements, and such, since Bertolucci is also known for the sensuality and the strength of his visuals.

Obviously people who are somehow capable to see films including their depth, and entertained by these artistic and/or human depth are the majority on this board since it's reserved for discussion about The Last Emperor, or they would be entertained by beautiful things that they don't see in their daily life, like images of the Forbidden city. Naturally, there would be many people who would be fully entertained by a film like Vertigo, since for the sophisticated audience they would enjoy the complexities of sexual themes in both Vertigo and The Last Emperor, or entertained by the visual beauty of these films.


...so the simple fact is that your "taste" or what you can "enjoy" had no importance to be stated here... It simply would make you look very stupid.

> As I explained previously, I was interested in The Last Emperor, that's how I ended up on The Last Emperor IMDB page. Get it?

Oh, come on, why do you need to be such a poor liar?


Some of the other movies mentioned are clearly critic's favorites, but I gotta admit, they dont exactly *POP* for me. I think alot of these movies are a little too long and drawn out. Lawrence of Arabia, Once Upon a Time in America, and The Last Emperor....


This is what you wrote, so why did you even come here to post your silly pretentious pseudo-opinions, overwhelmed with stereotypes superficialities about what you "enjoy"?

You know, you first got to admit the simple fact that most people are far more intelligent than you are, you make far more efforts if you try to fool them.

Obviously, you are incapable to enjoy films like The Last Emperor, so why do you even need to come here and participate in the listings of "Top 10 Movies of all time," when people who have the intelligence and sensibilities to enjoy films like The Last Emperor or Vertigo certainly would only scorn at a wanna-be "huge film fan" like yourself can "enjoy," albeit someone who is incapable to even see what is enjoyable in a good film.

I mean, when asked about the complexities of relations between a husband and a wife, as very well expressed in Hitchcock's own remake of The Man Who Knew Too Much, all you can imagine was the typical stereotypical cliches that Hitchcock is using for the sheer enhancement of the suspense, that a woman is naturally supposed to be more caring about the fate of a little boy than the villain (whose descriptions fade very pale against the richness of many villains in the Hitchcock canon).

> but I'll go against the grain and say the most interesting husband-wife dynamic (for me) was involving the Draytons, particularly in regard to Hank, whom Lucy became surprisingly protective of. It made me wonder if they hadn't perhaps once lost a child of their own.

...when the 56 version of The Man Who Knew Too Much spend about the third of its narrative time to show little daily conflicts between the protagonist's couple before the plot starts to take place... And of course you couldn't even see. You can easily list up about 10 scenes describing the difference of attitudes and desires between Jimmy Stewart and Doris Day, the little daily conflicts and disagreements between the two.

While the wife of the villain feeling sorry for the kid that they kidnapped, that is "the dynamism between husband a wife"? Pfff... How shallow your perceptions about human beings are. No wonder you couldn't even get a clue about The Last Emperor, or Vertigo. It is certainly not Bertolucci's, nor Hitchcock's fault not to have dumbed down their films for the sake of a silly pretentious brat like yourself can "enjoy." (when Hitch probably must have cracked up in laughter when James Stewart improvised his character, a doctor, giving tranquilizers to his wife before telling her that their son was kidnapped! That's really great).

And still, you pretended that you "agree" to me. What a pathetic pretentious arrogant liar you are...

> Jeez Louise, a POP QUIZ! Let me get my No. 2 and take a crack at it, boy oh boy! Clearly, you reference one particular moment, as if the only pertinent scene was the one you read about at the "Freaks Who Must Study Film and Take All The Fun Out Of It" web site

And now the little arrogant prick who pretends to be a "huge film fan" is becoming hysterical, when it's all your doing, your own fault that you don't even recognize your stupid arrogance. I mean... You wrote...

>Scorsese's best, in my opinion (or is it Goodfella's? I'm torn between the two.)

...and failed to even recognize that Scorsese's own personal favorite film was on my list of the temporary top 10, which of course is...


M Fritz Lang
Chyenne Autumn John Ford
La Passion de Jeanne D'Arc Carl Dreyer
Tokyo Twilight Yasujiro Ozu
Ugetsu Kenji Mizoguchi
Il Conformista Bernardo Bertolucci (sorry, but not The Last Emperor)
La Prise du Pouvoir de Louis XIV Roberto Rosselini
Rules of the Game Jean Renoir
Kundun Martin Scorsese
McCabe and Mrs.Miller Robert Altman
The Boston Strangler Richard Fleischer
Advise and Consent Otto Preminger
Yi Yi Edward Yang


And wrote this typical homophobic pitiful statement....


Too bad it didn't have a gay protagonist, it might have made your top ten. (j/k)


...or so according to you, the Dalai Lama of Tibet must be a homosexual or something??? Silly...


So who would expect such a cinematically illiterate person to appreciate The Last Emperor, or Vertigo for that matter? Or even worse; someone who is so immature who doesn't have a clue to understand human behavior, who doesn't have any connections to human emotion, who is so dumb and self obsessed you cannot still undrestand the simple fact that many people can and do enjoy sophisticated intelligent films that you describe that "they dont exactly *POP* for me," which in your case can only mean that you are too dumb to get this film at the first place, therefore have no reasons to participate here, except for annoying others.

Go to bed, try to grow up. You simply don't have enough brain and sensibility to understand The Last Emperor, or anyway, nobody coming on this thread to discuss The Last Emperor is going to be even interested in your opinion, since you lack the intelligence and sensibility to even understand that many people enjoy films like The Last Emperor.

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Or, don't lighten up. Either way. Funny, you spend an awful lot of time calling me stupid, yet you seem to have trouble putting together coherent, literate sentences. Do you ever proof-read what you write? Suggestion: Have somebody else look it over; your declarations of other's ignorance wouldn't seem so hypocritical if they were delivered with, at least, SOME coherency.

You ARE a srange, bitter, little person, aren't you? ("What are you but a warped, frustrated young man?" Uh-oh, there's another quote that you can use to look down on me with.) Just a tad bit obsessive, wouldn't you say? It's not surprising to me to see that you have a 'history' around these boards. But, I must admit, you provide the true comedy relief that's been missing from a lot of films these days.

This is funny...

<<so why did you even come here to post your silly pretentious pseudo-opinions..>>>

And this...

<<What a pathetic pretentious arrogant liar you are...>>

YOU calling ME pretentious is about as funny as it gets. Almost as funny as...

<<...you first got to admit the simple fact that most people are far more intelligent than you are...>>>

You mean about movies, right? Because I admit, that though I'm a huge FAN of movies (newsflash: you don't have to be the smartest person in the room to enjoy a movie, right? RIGHT? Or, maybe you feel, that as that smartest person, that only YOU are entitled to watch them? LOL), I admit I don't study real hard on them. I don't spend all day at movie websites, so I can regurgitate what I read to other people, passing other's thoughts off as my own, so that I might maybe impress a few people. Like I said before, you don't watch movies for the same reason I do (enjoyment). You see, some of us have what are called 'JOBS', and thus can only dedicate a few hours a week to movies, and so we spend those hours for enjoyment and escape. You know, for fun. I wouldn't want to have your purported knowledge of movies, if THIS is what happens to you when you get it.

So, I failed your pop quiz. Big deal. I reckon I'm no longer allowed to watch any more Hitchcock movies. (Maybe I'll do better in the Coppola Multiple-choice or the Scorsese Essay portions.) Jimmy shooting Doris up, THAT was the correct answer, eh? At least, that's what you read, or that's what old so-and-so said. Big, big deal. I don't think I did too bad (should receive PARTIAL credit, at least) considering I didn't have time to prepare (it was a POP quiz!) and I haven't seen the film in a while. You asked me to cite an interesting husband-wife dynamic, and I did. Just because I failed to name what YOU considered to be THE MOST interesting dynamic, well, you'll just have to get over yourself, won't you? (Oh, and it seems as if you were trying to claim that you already KNEW I would cite the Draytons as an example, but I'm not quite sure. Like most of your statements, that one turned into indecipherable *beep* Remember: PROOFREAD! Have mommy do it if noone else is around.)

And here's another clue, Poindexter: IMO = In My Opinion. (Notice how I only use the first letters of each word? We call those ACRONYMs!) So, now MY OPINION that Taxi Driver (or Goodfellas) is Scorsese's best movie is inexcusably ignorant, because YOUR favorite (and, reportedly, Scorsese's himself) is Kundun? Funny, funny. But it doesn't change my opinion, and it doesn't make me wrong. I like movies because I like them; not because somebody TOLD me to like them. I loved Taxi Driver, I didn't love Kundun. You think Martin Scorsese would tell me I'm wrong? DO YOU?? Would he tell me that I just shouldn't watch any more of his movies, at least not until I have obtained a PATHOLOGICAL knowledge of all things cinematic? HAH! More likely, he would tell me that pretentious movie snobs like you should maybe get a life, and GET OVER THEMSELVES. (I've read Hitchcock considered Shadow Of A Doubt his favorite film of his own, so I assume that its your favorite, too? LOL. Not mine, though I did like it better than Vertigo.)

Let's get one thing straight: I AM smarter than you. Period. I'll concede that you know a lot more about movies than I do, but when it comes to everything else, when it comes down to the REALITY that is extraneous to the MOVIES, you are SERIOUSLY and ABSOLUTELY lacking in knowledge and protocol. This thread perfectly demonstrates your complete inability to have a civilized disagreement and discussion. Like I said, you got a history and I ain't surprised. Whatever percentage of your life is spent wrapped up in movies is TOO MUCH. You need to pull your head out of your FANTASY and sniff around in the REAL WORLD, then maybe you'll remember how to be entertained by a film. Remember this: IT'S NOT A COMPETITION!

So you can have your Kundun and your Vertigo and your what-not and stick them you-know-where. I'm not afraid to say what I like, and I seek no validation from Hitchcock or Scorsese, and I certainly don't need validation from YOU. And if I feel that some 'good' movies are considered 'great' because a few RABID FANBOYs (and critics) get together proclaim it as such, then it is my right to proclaim that maybe The Last Emperor has no clothes!

One final thought: A lot of 'great' movies have lost their impact because of changing times. Strangelove is an example. Innovative and bitingly satirical in '64, perhaps, but in 2007, it just doesn't hold up as well as, say, Paths Of Glory or Clockwork. But that's my opinion. I was a toddler in '64, and don't have the luxury of seeing that film through the eyes of the times. If you, while watching Strangelove (or Kane, for that matter), get an extra kick out of recognizing the HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, so be it. Good for you. But, recognize this, too: You're watching the film from as much of a DOCUMENTARY PERSPECTIVE than you are viewing it the way it was MEANT TO BE VIEWED.

Now, do yourself a favor, and just let it go at that. We can agree that I enjoy movies, and you enjoy sucking the enjoyment out of them. And if you DO respond with more bile-filled accusations of my ignorance, for god's sake, have SOMEBODY proof-read the thing, so its at least some-what legible.

Or, better yet, kid: Stay in school, and don't use drugs!

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So now, instead of talking about films, you start your silly ranting...

And why cannot you stick at least to the movies you previously mentioned before??? Like The Man Who Knew Too Much or Vertigo, or actually The Last Emperor which is supposed to be the subject that should be discussed on this board.

And no apologies to the lies you made?

A reminder...


> As I explained previously, I was interested in The Last Emperor, that's how I ended up on The Last Emperor IMDB page. Get it?

Oh, come on, why do you need to be such a poor liar?


Some of the other movies mentioned are clearly critic's favorites, but I gotta admit, they dont exactly *POP* for me. I think alot of these movies are a little too long and drawn out. Lawrence of Arabia, Once Upon a Time in America, and The Last Emperor....


This is what you wrote, so why did you even come here to post your silly pretentious pseudo-opinions, overwhelmed with stereotypes superficialities about what you "enjoy"?

You know, you first got to admit the simple fact that most people are far more intelligent than you are, you make far more efforts if you try to fool them.


> So, I failed your pop quiz. Big deal.

It is a big deal since you previously agreed to what I said about The Man Who Knew Too Much, when you didn't even know what you were agreeing with. Therefore, you have successfully proven that you yourself is a big arrogant pretentious fool who continuously lies.

And no wonder you didn't "understand the appeal of Vertigo" nor you didn't get into The Last Emperor or Lawrence of Arabia, since even when you watch a film, you have no clue getting what is happening to the protagonists of a film. Please don't waste your time and money for movies; obviously your sensibilities and intelligence are not made to watch and enjoy, or "understand the appeal" (whatever that means...) of...actually any films except for pure pop-corn stuffs. But then, you know what? If you are looking for easily "understandable" or "enjoyable" to you, albeit pure superficial actions, there is a better medium for you to enjoy: computer games.

> I reckon I'm no longer allowed to watch any more Hitchcock movies.

Nope. To the contrary you have to watch them again and again so that finally your brain would start functioning, otherwise you are just wasting your time watching them since you are seeing nothing.

> I'm not afraid to say what I like,

And nobody would be interested except to be annoyed, or just proving how dumb you are... I mean, you named The Man Who Knew Too Much as one of your favorite Hitchcock yet you failed even to recognize what was happening between the two protagonists... and for the first couple of reels, that (and the touristic attraction of Marakesh) was indeed the main focus of that film... What have you been watching? You don't need to be married to recognize that the protagonists' couple in the film were not necessary getting along very well... Not that they are divorcing or anything, just the usual stuffs, but The Man Who Knew Too Much is indeed one of the rare case that cinema (especially American commercial films) describing that kind of relationship, and the only one successful as far as I have seen.

> So, now MY OPINION that Taxi Driver (or Goodfellas) is Scorsese's best movie is inexcusably ignorant, because YOUR favorite (and, reportedly, Scorsese's himself) is Kundun?

Please stop your stupid arrogant lie, mr.pretentious, in your desperate efforts to pretend as if you knew something. You called Martin Scorsese the greatest, yet you have mistaken HIS own personal favorite film for some kind of gay movie . Well, since the Dalai Lama in his position is forbidden to have sex, even if he were actually born with homosexual tendencies that wouldn't simply matter anyway... But when did Mr. Pretentious learned that the Dalai Lama was homosexual?

After all, you wrote this:


Agree about The Man Who Knew Too Much, I really enjoyed it. Too bad it didn't have a gay protagonist, it might have made your top ten. (j/k)


So to make that joke work, all, or at least a substantial number of the films on my top ten list must have a protagonist being homosexual. Now, the quiz time:


M, Fritz Lang
Chyenne Autumn, John Ford
La Passion de Jeanne D'Arc, Carl Dreyer
Tokyo Twilight, Yasujiro Ozu
Ugetsu, Kenji Mizoguchi
Il Conformista, Bernardo Bertolucci (sorry, but not The Last Emperor)
La Prise du Pouvoir de Louis XIV, Roberto Rosselini
Rules of the Game, Jean Renoir
Kundun, Martin Scorsese
McCabe and Mrs.Miller, Robert Altman
The Boston Strangler, Richard Fleischer
Advise and Consent, Otto Preminger
Yi Yi, Edward Yang


Which films among these ten films have a homosexual character as its protagonist? One, or arguably two. The answer is already on this thread.

Another quiz: which are the films among this top ten unavailable for home video in the United States, that are hard to get, since you wrote:


Always looking for new (or new-old) cinematic sensation; its just extremely tough to find any of these on DVD. I scavenge in the used DVD stores, and though I do find the occasional treasure (got Night of The Hunter for $2), I've unfortunately never run across any of those titles. Do you get these flicks on DVD? If so, do you have to special order them, or what?


...when all except one are on DVD, selling very well, and can be easily found at any major DVD stores in any major American cities... Or just go to Amazon.com, it's very easy.

And you still pretend that you are "Always looking for new (or new-old) cinematic sensation" and "its just extremely tough to find any of these on DVD." Well... Isn't this kind of attitude the very definition of being pretentious?

Answers:

Chyenne Autumn, McCabe and Mrs.Miller. Advise and Consent: Warner Home Video. Il Conformista: Pramount Home Video. The Boston Strangler: Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment. Kundun: Buena Vista Home Entertaiment. M, Tokyo Twilight, Ugetsu, Rules of the Game, The Passion of Joan of Arc: The Criterion Collection. Yi Yi: The Criterion Collection or Fox-Lober.

La Prise du Pouvoir de Louis XIV (The rise in power of Louis the XIV); MK2 Editions, France (sorry, in French with no subtitles).

So since you said "I'll confess to having seen NONE of the movies you listed a couple of posts ago, although I'm familiar with some of them, and would like to see them all," how can it be so difficult for a "huge film fan" like yourself to find them???

> One final thought: A lot of 'great' movies have lost their impact because of changing times.

None of the films on my list have... The Passion of Joan of Arc could have been an exception but the original print was rediscovered in the early 90's, so today can be seen as if almost brand-new. It would be dated solely for the prejudiced fools who don't know how to watch a silent film (when it is very easy; you just need to watch what is on the screen).

> Strangelove is an example. Innovative and bitingly satirical in '64, perhaps, but in 2007, it just doesn't hold up as well as, say, Paths Of Glory or Clockwork.

Dr.Strangelove is an okay film, definitely better than that awful Clockwork Orange which was absurdly ugly when it was made and absurdly ugly today as well. And what is so "dated" about Dr.Strangelove, when the attitude of those in political/military power hasn't changed regardless of the time--or maybe it has gotten worse to the point that real-life politics had become an absurd comedy even more absurd than described in Strangelove.

> If you, while watching Strangelove (or Kane, for that matter), get an extra kick out of recognizing the HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, so be it. Good for you. But, recognize this, too: You're watching the film from as much of a DOCUMENTARY PERSPECTIVE than you are viewing it the way it was MEANT TO BE VIEWED.

Errr... What is the hell are you talking about? Never mind that it doesn't make any sense and is totally absurd, but any relevance to what has been exposed as your absolute incapacity to just simply look at a movie and recognizing what is happening in there instead of making tons of stupid arrogant pretentious rants?

And you are also completely missusing the term "DOCUMENTARY PERSPECTIVE"... Do you even know what that means, or what a "documentary" means for that matter? If you watch Dr. Strangelove in a "DOCUMENTARY PERSPECTIVE", I guess it's a great documentary about the great art of Peter Sellers...






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First things first...

<<And why cannot you stick at least to the movies you previously mentioned before??? Like The Man Who Knew Too Much or Vertigo, or actually The Last Emperor which is supposed to be the subject that should be discussed on this board.>>>

I believe that now the subject of this discussion has turned to what a pretentious a-hole you are. At least that seems to be the point you're continually striving to make. I realize this is The Last Emperor board; sometimes I make mention of a different movie to use as an example. I'm kind of getting tired of having to point that out to you. Again and again.

Show me where I EVER lied. I've seen The Last Emperor. I wasn't that impressed. I'd like to see it again, in order to re-assess. Therefore, I was checking out the IMDB main pages, reviews and message boards. Its really not that hard to follow, is it? Or do you, when you get all angry and indignant, automatically just start spouting off about 'lies' and 'ignorance'? It seems, from some of your other postings, is that is EXACTLY what you do. Get a grip on yourself, kid. Its really not all that important. Remember that even the Most Important Movie ever made is still one of the Least Important Things in the real world. (I bet that REALLY pisses you off.)

Thanks for the suggestion about watching some movie over and over and over again, analyzing and analyzing until I no longer enjoy it. Um, thanks but I'll pass.

And thanks for the advice on how to watch a silent movie: "you just need to watch what is on the screen". Very insightful; never would have thunk it.

Hmm. I think we agree that Strangelove was only 'okay'. I obviously liked Clockwork more than you. (I thought Clockwork would be one of those movies that I liked at 20 years old and disliked at 40, but I was wrong. Remember: IMO.)

You have some considerable movie knowledge there, Cassandra. Too bad nobody really cares. You really should tone down that smug air of superiority that you wield like some deranged Film Nazi. To suggest somebody is "just wasting your time watching them since you are seeing nothing" is nothing but pure fascism. (Hey, I bet if you look up 'fascism' you may find it to be the subject of some films on your so-called 'temporary' Top Ten. Temporary, by the way, because YOU may change your mind about a film, OR because someone may change your mind for you? I wonder, who decides: You the Scholar, or you the Viewer?)

Well, I can't really say its been enjoyable chatting with you. (I say 'chat' because 'debate' wouldn't apply. You can't debate somebody who claims to know everything, including all things subjective as well as objective, as if knowing every trivial detail about a movie or a scene somehow automatically improves the viewing experience. Sad fact: It doesn't.)

It has been fun, though. Or funny, at the least. But now you're starting to bore me. Tsk, what a waste. Would love to pick the brains of someone with your knowledge about flicks. But its like a gold ingot in a room full of radioactivity. And a small ingot, at that. Just not worth the trouble.

Yeah, I'm talking to you, Travis.

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> I believe that now the subject of this discussion has turned to what a pretentious a-hole you are.

Nope. It's just that you have been pretentious all the time, and revealed as cheaply pretentious.

> Show me where I EVER lied. I

I already did. and you know it. Hence another lie of yours. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93375515&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=1#93375515

> Thanks for the suggestion about watching some movie over and over and over again, analyzing and analyzing until I no longer enjoy it.

No. you don't know how to enjoy it, and your idea of enjoyment is very childish. That is all.

> . Therefore, I was checking out the IMDB main pages, reviews and message boards. Its really not that hard to follow, is it?

That is very unnatural, except with pretentious arrogant pricks, to post on the message board when you have nothing to say. And what you have posted, since you have nothing to discuss about The Last Emperor, is meaningless and a waste of the web-space. I also should add that you are a fool since with what you wrote, you should have guessed that either you would be ignored or would be treated harshly and criticized for sure.

> You can't debate somebody who claims to know everything,

A Debate is not about knowledge, but about the thinking process. What kind of education have you been getting? And There's nothing on this thread that shows that I know everything, it just shows that you know nothing substantial. There fore you are a pretentious prick, since you pretend to know but don't know anything about what you have been talking about.

Well, how can it be possible for you to know anything when you are able to see to see nothing, blinded by your meaningless empty ego?






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Well, you can't say I didn't warn you, can you? "Proofread, son! That's the way of the future!" I said, but you didn't listen, did you? (Notice how I'm beginning to end all my sentences with a question? The way an adult talks to a child? I just noticed it myself, and I swear that's not intentional!)

You spurned my proofreading suggestion, and so, with a golden opportunity to show everybody how smart you are, when your big chance to really show them how ignorant I am comes, we get this...

<<Nop. It's just that you have pretentious all the time, and revealed as cheaply pretentious.>>

Wowwie wowwie woo! Whoa Nelly, what the heck was that? You'll please have another attempt at that thought, I hope? On second thought, don't change a thing. It may not make sense, but its beautiful in an artsy-fartsy kind of way. Isn't it? (Lol. Actually, I shouldn't laugh. I'm sure your English is much better than my whatever-your-native-language is.)

You may have noticed by now that I'm not really trying to debate you, or anything like that. I'm merely provoking you, and making fun of you. Childish, to be sure. But I get a kick out of watching you come unglued at the thought of some inferior being actually enjoying a movie. The idea that somebody would actually consider themselves that superior, that enlightened, and thus exclusively entitled to ANYTHING makes me want to puke.

<<No. you don't know how to enjoy it, and your idea of enjoyment is very childish. That is all.>>

Because I failed your quiz. How fascist is that? Answer ONE QUESTION of mine! This is my POP QUIZ to you: How fascist is that?

As to your weak-ass accusations of me being untruthful, give it up. Read the thread, try to put TWO COHERENT THOUGHTs together, and you'll realize you're wrong, as usual.

<<I also should add that you are a fool since with what you wrote, you should have guessed that either you would be ignored or would be treated harshly and criticized for sure.>>

Wrong there, too. I was responding to another poster regarding Falling Down versus Taxi Driver, on a thread you weren't even involved in, and a conversation that I, at the time, had as much a right to be in as you did, and you came barrelling in like some buffalo in heat and on crack. Wanna talk about message board protocol? (Or are you an elite member of some super-secret and self-appointed message board gestapo?) And, further, no, I didn't expect for some a-hole to get so bent out of shape. Seeing as you're the ONLY a-hole, there's no reason to expect it, is there? I mean, I've seen people act the way you do on here before, but usually they're just ignorant, juvenile haters. You managed to combine those qualities with a vast movie knowledge. But that just makes you a well-informed, yet ignorant, juvenile hater. Some club.

Finally, one more tribute to your obvious intelligence:

<<<Well, how can it be possible for you to know anything when you are able to see to see nothing, blinded by your meaningless empty ego?>>>

Its like...its like....poetry. <sniff>



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> Because I failed your quiz. How fascist is that?

How can it be "fascist" at the first place? You are an ignorant fool and you are proven to be so. Nobody is forbidding you to express your ignorant foolish arrogant childish pseudo-opinions. You are just criticized for what you are. Do you want to censor that? That's sort of fascistic, ain't it? As a matter of fact, who do you think you are? Adolf Hitler??

It is just that you pretended to have knowledge about things that you absolutely know nothing about, in this case movies, since you don't even know how to watch things. The huge mystery to me is that how somebody who is so blind can waste his time sitting in front of a screen which shows something that he cannot get anything out of it...

For about the first 40 minutes of the 1956 The Man Who Knew Too Much what you see the most are scenes concerning a series of little daily disagreements between the husband who is a doctor and the wife who is a retired musical star. You say you like that film yet you didn't even see what that film was so extensively concentrated about... And when the husband who is a doctor gives sedatives to his wife before announcing her that their son and kidnapped, you are so childish you can only interpret that as "Jimmy shooting Doris up, THAT was the correct answer, eh? " Seriously, what can be the meaning for you to see films, when you don't even get the very basic fundamental things about the characters, or the people a film is showing??

The husband is a doctor.

He has to tell her a news that is so shocking, destabilizing for sure: Her son is kidnapped.

He takes the precautions to give her sedatives before announcing the bad news, since he is a good and capable doctor who can make the correct medical decisions (or at least he thinks he is).

The wife is doubly upset because of that precautions, or the caring gesture, that the husband made. That actually makes her even more angry, upset, hysterical.

Get it? And that is the major difference, or improvements, to the 1936 original that Hitchcock himself made to his remake--and you said "I agree," when you didn't even know what has been discussed. Why could not you be a little modest, or not even modest but just simply admit to yourself that you didn't know, and ask the simple question of "what do you mean by that?", instead of being so pretentious, pretending yourself being a "huge film fan"?

No wonder you didn't get The Last Emperor, nor could understand "the appeal" (whatever that means...) of Vertigo...You can't enjoy what you don't even see. And what did you "enjoy" about The Man Who Knew Too Much, or Rope for that matters?

And you don't have the right to except others to respect your opinions, since very clearly you don't even pay attention to other people's opinions to the point that you would even say "I agree" without even knowing what you are agreeing with. It's very impolite, and also very stupid.

> and a conversation that I, at the time, had as much a right to be in as you did,

Who told you that you don't have the "right"? What kind of education have you been getting? Everybody has the right to criticize you once you make your opinion public. What you did was foolish and stupid, but nobody is forbidding you to be stupid and foolish. You just get criticized for what you are, and everybody has the right to do that.

Basic education about the principle of democracy and the freedom of speech and expressions, nothing really to do with what is supposed to be discussed here...

AND NO APOLOGIES NOR EXCUSES FOR YOUR LIES? A REMINDER...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93375515&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=1#93375515

PS. You also should be criticized of being irresponsible, when that is the first obligation for anybody who engages him/herself in a public discussion... And people who don't assume their responsibility about what they expressed in public have no right to express themselves in public--that's one of the basic principles of free speech. You certainly have no right to lie, nor skipping the things with which you have been proven wrong and pretend as if they never existed. It's silly to do that anyway since the proofs has already been here anyway...http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/nest/81246290?d=93115402&amp ; ; ; ; ; ;p=1#93115402.

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Lol. You may be just about the funniest person I ever met. Mentally unstable, perhaps (okay, no perhaps needed), but boy-o you're a true firecracker!

Let me just get this part straight: You accuse me of being a liar, and as proof of that, you offer the the link where you accused me of being a liar. That's the extent of it? Your accusation is proof enough? Golly, maybe in the face of such irrefutable proof, I should just confess! I did it! It was me, it was ALL me! Oh why oh why? See how far I've fallen! Woe is me.

There. Happy now? And now, in that same vein, here is my evidence that you are a FASCIST:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93115402#93115402

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93196263#93196263

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93241814#93241814

...and so on. And so on. Blah blah ad nauseum blah.

And as for The Man Who Knew Too Much, you've got some serious obsessive-compulsive tendencies to keep harping the way you do. Originally, you said...

<<"It's definitely one of the most interesting film of his from the 50's, one of the films of his that have realistic protagonists for sure. As a suspense probably the 1936 version is superior, but the 56 version has more depth, particularly about the relations between a husband and a wife.">>

And I agreed. I was agreeing about the first part ("interesting film of his from the 50's") and maybe should have specified as such. Maybe I should have said: Yes, I thought it was a very interesting (and entertaining) film. I'm not sure about the differences from the '36 version, because I never saw it. And I'm not sure about the intricate details and depths that exist between Jimmy and Doris, other than the usual details and depths that tend to exist between husband and wife in most every narrative, so I'll just have to take your word for it, because I really don't give a sh**. Thanks, anyway, for devoting so much more bandwith to re-describing the sequence that you seem to feel carries so much weight. I remember the sequence, but didn't put that much thought into because I had no idea how VERY IMPORTANT to the story it was. And I still don't give a sh**. Maybe you're giving one scene (an un-scripted scene, at that!) more significance than it deserves? (I wonder if you're so fixated on that one scene because you know it was improvised. As if, somehow, that gives it more depth.) Yet, I was STILL able to enjoy that darn movie. Of course, according to you, it was a hollow and meaningless enjoyment, one that serves to pave my soul's way into eternal damnnation (for not knowing every trivial detail about a movie). Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate...

<<Basic education about the principle of democracy and the freedom of speech and expressions, nothing really to do with what is supposed to be discussed here...>>

I agree. We don't DISCUSS these concepts here. We APPLY them. (That is, unless we're Film Nazis.)

<<instead of being so pretentious, pretending yourself being a "huge film fan">>>

I never claimed to KNOW a lot about the movies. Show me where I did. I claimed to be a 'huge film fan'. Meaning: I really enjoy watching movies. (Not in an anally-retentive, obsessive kind of way, like you, because that just takes the enjoyment out of it.) This is, like the 'understanding a movie' versus 'understanding the appeal of a movie' idea, not a very heavily nuanced concept. If you're still not grasping it, have someone else try and explain it to you. If not, show me where I ever laid claim to having vast knowledge about films, and I'll concede the point. But you can't, so I won't. (I'm sure you'll just lazily post another shortcut to a previous post that proves nothing, but, hey, you know what they say about the man with only a hammer...)

(BTW: Good to see you finally took my advice regarding the proof-reading. Now you only seem like an intolerant ass, instead of an ignorant, intolerant ass. Nothing worse than calling somebody a fool illegibly, is there?)

I offer, as further evidence against me being a liar, the fact that I went looking for the Last Emperor DVD yesterday, but you'll just have to take my word on it. (LOL, I'm assuming you put as much stock in the concepts of 'trust' and 'faith' as you do in 'free speech' and 'enjoyment'.) Unfortunately, I didn't find it, though I know where to get it, once the mall isn't quite so crowded. When I do get it, and if I find it more entertaining than I had originally perceived it (which is quite likely) then I will come back and admit it to you. If not, I may ask for your help in understanding it. ("Here, the emperor walks down a hallway. Notice the delicate intrinsic properties, the way left foot plays off of right foot. Stop frame! Stop frame! See there! Its heel to toe, not toe to heel! That was totally improvised! Brilliant! And if you don't understand the significance, well mister, you just got no business watching ANY movie!")

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> Lol. You may be just about the funniest person I ever met. Mentally unstable, perhaps

So now the typical self-projection of a mentally unstable person is starting, while the lies continues... Actually more and more lies, cheating, shifting the subject so obviously to evade from the issues about which you have been proven either wrong or simply being dumb and pretentious...

> Let me just get this part straight: You accuse me of being a liar, and as proof of that, you offer the the link where you accused me of being a liar.

Which includes explanations and quotes from your own lies. Don't be stupid, you cannot fool the people with this kind of cheap cheating.

A REMINDER:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=933755 15&a%20mp;a%20mp;a%20mp;p=1#93375515

> <<"It's definitely one of the most interesting film of his from the 50's, one of the films of his that have realistic protagonists for sure. As a suspense probably the 1936 version is superior, but the 56 version has more depth, particularly about the relations between a husband and a wife.">>
>
> And I agreed.

Hence you agreed to something you didn't even understand. End of story. The 1956 version is more interesting, while less successful as a suspense, because of the richness "about the relations between a husband and a wife." Who would be so dumb to say "oh this is better" without any reasons? You cannot even read?

> I never claimed to KNOW a lot about the movies.

Who said you did?


instead of being so pretentious, pretending yourself being a "huge film fan"


Now you cannot even read?

> I offer, as further evidence against me being a liar, the fact that I went looking for the Last Emperor DVD yesterday, but you'll just have to take my word on it. (LOL, I'm assuming you put as much stock in the concepts of 'trust' and 'faith' as you do in 'free speech' and 'enjoyment'.) Unfortunately, I didn't find it, though I know where to get it, once the mall isn't quite so crowded.

Which again proves that against your silly pretending, you haven't even took a good look at the main page of this board, looking for information about The Last Emperor...


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/nest/72474496?p=1

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/nest/87922262?p=1

You must be stupid trying to buy one now, when you just wait for a few months and a beautiful DVD will be released...

And anyway, why you need to spend your money for a film that you certainly won't enjoy since you are too dumb and insensitive? I mean, you have proven sufficiently enough that you will never be able to enjoy a film like this one. No one is blaming you for that. It's just that you are too dumb for a film like this, which is by itself not at all a crime.

And you are also too dumb to learn anything. How many times have I told you to profit from the functions of IMDB? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/ Look at the upper right of this page.




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Wow. You respond to my earlier point (You accuse me of being a liar, and as proof of that, you offer the the link where you accused me of being a liar) by posting another link that means absolutely nothing. To make matters worse for you, you posted a link to a message that wasn't even mine! Well crafted. A sure sign of what they call 'flailing wildly'. Making you look like an ass is a real piece of cake. You do most the heavy lifting, yourself. Sure you don't want to quit while you're WAY WAY behind?

And you completely obliterated my point I was making about The Man Who Knew. You completely disregarded the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH, and posted the first sentence only, ignoring the entire content and intent, and you think that somehow proves your point? (>>>"You certainly have no right to lie, nor skipping the things with which you have been proven wrong and pretend as if they never existed"<<< That's what you said, isn't it? You hypocrite.) Grow a brain, you lost cause, you. I believe you may be SO SMART that you're actually a MORON. And a deceitful moron, at that. Something to do with not seeing the forest for the trees.

<<> I never claimed to KNOW a lot about the movies.

>>Who said you did? <<

Well, you did.

Here: >>It is just that you pretended to have knowledge about things that you absolutely know nothing about, in this case movies...<<<

And here: >>There fore you are a pretentious prick, since you pretend to know but don't know anything about what you have been talking about.<<

So, there you go, lying again. And another lie of yours: I never said Scorsese was the greatest, or my favorite. You're putting words in mouth that I never said. Oh, well. Anything (even lies) to prove a point, right?

And let me get this part straight: You chastise me for saying I don't remember Last Emperor being that great, then you chastise me for saying I still wanted to get it to watch it again, then you chastise me for being fool enough to not wait a few months to buy the better quality DVD, and then you wrap up by chastising me for not immediately ordering it from amazon, anyway? Maybe you need to make up your mind on what you want to cry about. Maybe you're just a little chastise-happy.

As I said before, making you look like an ass: Candy from a baby.

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> by posting another link that means absolutely nothing.

Again, a lie; you know very well it means a lot to you. Silly...

> And you completely obliterated my point I was making about The Man Who Knew. You completely disregarded the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH, and posted the first sentence only, ignoring the entire content and intent,

Since the entire content and intent is responded (and denied) by this anyway...



The 1956 version is more interesting, while less successful as a suspense, because of the richness "about the relations between a husband and a wife." Who would be so dumb to say "oh this is better" without any reasons? You cannot even read?


So tell me what is not responded by this in your meaningless rant that lasted for an entire paragraph?

After all you agreed to this...


> Funny, of the other Hitchcocks I mentioned as better than Vertigo, I figured it would be The Man Who Knew Too Much that I would get called out on.

Why? It's definitely one of the most interesting film of his from the 50's, one of the films of his that have realistic protagonists for sure. As a suspense probably the 1936 version is superior, but the 56 version has more depth, particularly about the relations between a husband and a wife.


...so how did I "obliterated your point"? What did you agreed to, when you don't have any clue about "having realistic protagonists," and you who haven't seen the 1936 original (the reason why the 56 film is very under-rated, because it's a remake and the first version is considered to be more successful as a suspense entertainment)?

Or are you one of these dumb people who "would be so dumb to say "oh this is better" without any reasons"? Then what would be even the need of a discussion board? The voting/rating system is enough.

And according to your very primitive and shallow idea of "enjoy"... I mean, "As a suspense probably the 1936 version is superior, but the 56 version has more depth, particularly about the relations between a husband and a wife"... so you're not again making any sense whatsoever.

No wonder you didn't get The Last Emperor, or you didn't understand "the appeal" (whatever that means I have no idea) of Vertigo--since you are so dumb and stupid and pretentious.

>>>Who said you did? <<
>
Well, you did.
>
>Here: >>It is just that you pretended to have knowledge about things that you absolutely know nothing about, in this case movies...<<<
>
> And here: >>There fore you are a pretentious prick, since you pretend to know but don't know anything about what you have been talking about.<<

So again, you cannot even read... Where in that did I say "A LOT"?

>And let me get this part straight: You chastise me for saying I don't remember Last Emperor being that great, then you chastise me for saying I still wanted to get it to watch it again,

Some of the other movies mentioned are clearly critic's favorites, but I gotta admit, they dont exactly *POP* for me. I think alot of these movies are a little too long and drawn out. Lawrence of Arabia, Once Upon a Time in America, and The Last Emperor....I just couldn't get into them, and I'm a HUGE movie fan.


That is what I have been criticizing. It's only after that I have picked on that SEVERAL TIMES, initially saying "Hell, I don't know," that you started your silly excuses about buying a DVD, when this thread has nothing to do with DVDs anyway.

And what ever the reason you may forge, it doesn't change the fact that it is a very stupid post which is of no interest for the absolute majority of the people who are interested in The Last Emperor, except for being a good subject to scorn at and ridicule.

And how you wanting to buy a DVD of the Last Emperor doesn't explain at all you coming to the board and participate to the discussions here except for your typical arrogant pretentious self-obsessive attitudes, wanting to be admitted as "I am a huge film fan" "I want to say my opinion!" regardless of the natural responsibility involved in participating to a public discussion anyway.

You are a pathetic liar or really dumby, since if you wanted to check out about The Last Emperor's DVDs.... I mean... You first should know that the DVD infos are on the main page and not here... I mean, you should first know that DVDs can be bought on the internet, links provided to amazon.com here on IMDB.... If you buy your DVDs only at your local shopping mall and second-hand stores, what would be the need to check IMDB at the first place? You who ignore that DVD can be bought using the internet. Have you hallucinated that on IMDB, which is a site used internationally, people would even care about your local shopping mall?

> then you chastise me for being fool enough to not wait a few months to buy the better quality DVD, and then you wrap up by chastising me for not immediately ordering it from amazon, anyway? Maybe you need to make up your mind on what you want to cry about. Maybe you're just a little chastise-happy.

Since everything you write is so foolish, and pretentious....


I'll confess to having seen NONE of the movies you listed a couple of posts ago, although I'm familiar with some of them, and would like to see them all. Always looking for new (or new-old) cinematic sensation; its just extremely tough to find any of these on DVD. I scavenge in the used DVD stores, and though I do find the occasional treasure (got Night of The Hunter for $2), I've unfortunately never run across any of those titles. Do you get these flicks on DVD? If so, do you have to special order them, or what?


Is this what "a huge film fan" says about buying DVDs when they come to check about DVDs on IMDB? Then that "huge film fan" must be absolutely dumb, or just pretending to be "a huge film fan," trying to forge up some meaning to their meaningless pseudo-opinion.

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I don't know if you are familiar with his infamous 24/7 lunacy on imdb before his previous account was deleted by Imdb admininstrators. The loser Toshi Fujiwara is a wannabe videographer who makes terribly bad and boring videos such as his WE CAN'T GO HOME AGAIN (look it up in Google, and you can see the horrendously bad amateur video he tries to push as a trailer). He rants lunatic on these boards until he is backed into a corner with no rebuttal but claims of not understanding your point or most of the time he just posts links to irrelevance as if they point to some meaning and reason for his psychosis. He lives off his parents and wastes their money on projects that never amounts to anything.

He will claim a lot, but the shell is thin, and cracks as soon as truths are pointed to him. You should have seen some of his laughably bad lies on the DEPARTED board before he was chased off... After months of hiding hoping people will forget his stupidity and fabricated claims, he has now resurfaced as CONSUCK71-2... The guy lacks creativity so much he should just stick to his part time job as a cleaner at MOSBURGER in Takiyama (where his parents live). He definitely belongs in the viewer portion of movies, and if he only knew how to show a little respect for others, and not confuse his opinions with fact, he may have some value on this earth... But I guess he's just a product of bad shock therapy and overdose of the wrong medication.

He is a loser.. Ignore him and be thankful you're much bettwr off than this lunatic who has nothing else better to do but bark on Imdb.

Btw, notice he has a habit of going back to re-edit his posts hours or days later to remove his dumb lies that have been pointed out by other posters. Quote him if you want to cite examples of his lies and sheer lunacy... Otherwise he'll delete them to avoid being exposed.

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Hey! I think I finally understand your game! Please read carefully...

A) Your ignorant ignorance ignorantly ignores your ignorance.

B) You lying liar, your lying lie-fulness belies your lies.

C) Your pretentious pretentiousness pretends to portend your pretention.

There! From now on, no matter how you respond, consider this post as my reponse back. This still makes more sense than you do, and saves me a lot of typing. Good bye and good luck.


(Did you say I was "really dumby"?)

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Thanks for the heads-up. I was having fun at first, but then it all started spiraling down, Escher-like, into some warped version of Groundhog Day.

I assume his movie is just the same scene, played over and over again, ad finitum, but with, you know, SIGNIFICANCE. I'll pass anyway.

Its hard to imagine the world's foremost (self-proclaimed) expert on Scorsese being chased off the Scorsese boards. I bet that did wonders for his Cassandra complex.

He may go back and edit his BS, but I'm sure, with his seemingly endless BS output, he's fighting a lost cause.

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... He's fighting a lost cause.
or, he's simply lost his mind.

I make enough typos with using a handheld, so I won't harp on CONsuck's, yet his style of writing is both annoying, long-winded, as well as offensive. Stating an opinion is never convincing when done with arrogance, prejudice, and not to mention the fact he tries to add lies to his opinions as if they can add credibility to his claims of nonsense -- especially when he no longer has anything to use to back up his bold fabrications.

Happy 2008, btw.

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> look it up in Google, and you can see the horrendously bad amateur video he tries to push as a trailer

Another incredible fool who doesn't even know the function of IMDB: Why look into Google searching a film when the IMDB is a database on films, which lists the awards a film got, the official site, links to reviews, etc.? Then you'll see that the film that you are mentioning actually have won some awards and very positive reviews from reliable critics.

> He is a loser..

Self-projection again? You are the loser who felt "insulted" when your arrogant ignorance and incapacity to watch movies as they are were exposed... So you stalk the handlename coming from Michael Powell's A Matter of Life and Death on IMDB boards.

And what would be the influence of Seijun Suzuki to Martin Scorsese other than that your teacher told you so?

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Why look into Google searching a film when the IMDB is a database on films
Simply for the reason so people can see how amateur your work is, and how much you lack in creativity. One look at that website and your laughably bad rough-cut you try to call a trailer, even a child will be able to ask his/her parents why some people have the odacity to call bad home-video a documentary (or the question can be, "is video-taping drying paint on a wall supposed to mean something?)

Whatever details to your "waste of video-tape" home-videos posted on IMDB are just as valid as your self-proclaimed friendship with Martin Scorsese -- one-way friendships, btw, don't really count.

I hope you've made a resolution to move out of your parents' home and try to live independently for a change - it's no life to remain a FREETER and steal from their pension, you LOSER

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> imply for the reason so people can see how amateur your work is, and how much you lack in creativity.

When you haven't even seen the film in question... And that doesn't explain at all why you are so ignorant about the function of IMDB, that it is not a playground for pathological stalkers likeyourself but a database...

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When you haven't even seen the film in question
Really, you can tell I haven't seen the film, just like you can understand Chinese dialects without knowing a thing about the language?

It is an infinitely darker mystery as to why you are even allowed to post on IMDB... Whatever you have posted about THE LAST EMPEROR is just copied rehash from what you have read. Yet you pose as if you were actually involved in the project when you try to put down others opinions. If I tell you I discussed the music to THE LAST EMPEROR with Ryuichi Sakamoto, does that qualify? This would also be the perfect opportunity for you to jump in and claim kinship with Sakamoto-san?

Are you going to start threatening people with your infamous "I'll put you on my IGNORE list!"

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> Really, you can tell I haven't seen the film,

Because you never said you did--actually you yourself have repetitiously said you haven't.

> just like you can understand Chinese dialects without knowing a thing about the language?

When did I say that? ANOTHER PATHETIC LIES OF YOURS?


all of these "native speakers" were ignorant of the situation of the so-called "Chinese" criminal underground in the American crime scenes, so the authenticity of the accents were not even in question regarding the authenticity of the scene itself . It is not supposed to be Kantonese spoken by native Kantonese speakers from Hong Kong at the first place.

And you probably have forgotten so conveniently that... As usual... Pffff....

None of the Chinese speakers, including native ones ignored the reality of the Chinese/Asian underground in the American society today, so nobody could contradict my arguments, including yourself--and that was indeed part of the essential themes of The Departed: the historical layers of immigrations to America, new immigrants almost always forced to reduce themselves into criminal life-styles (hence, you guys being so obsessed about "china" reducing yourselves to cinematic illiterates).


this has always been my argument about the chinese gangsters in The Departed and you have never been able to address the issues, which makes you automatically a loser...

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None of the Chinese speakers, including native ones ignored the reality of the Chinese/Asian underground in the American society today, so nobody could contradict my arguments
I think reality is more than a little different from your recollection - you were never able to even grasp the concept when I critized Scorsese for allowing non-chinese speakers to deliver incorrectly written Chinese script while misprouncing all of the dialogue in Chinese during the Chinese gang scene. You have no clue as to the difference between the way they said "drop the weapons" as opposed to the way even any chinese speaker would say that one simple line. The scene showed your dumbass brother Toshi saying "lower the windows", which makes absolutely no sense within the context of the scene, and could only be caused by poor research on the part of the filmmakers.

Remember how you learned a lot about HK films, its industry, and even triads from my and others posts? Or have they all been deleted with the last session of shock therapy?

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> I think reality is more than a little different from your recollection -

In your pathologically demented mind-set, marked also withe an inordinate shortness of memory, it is not surprising that you didn't recall at all the facts.

> you were never able to even grasp the concept when I critized Scorsese for allowing non-chinese speakers to deliver incorrectly written Chinese script while misprouncing all of the dialogue in Chinese during the Chinese gang scene.

Apart from this sentence of yours being totally incomprehensible since it doesn't make any sense, your precious "concept" doesn't mean anything anyway since it's not your film but Martin Scorsese, whose concept has nothing to do with what you have completely misunderstood...



> if you speak Chinese at all,

I don't, and that is totally irrelevant since....


n fact according to the reality of the Asian-ethnicity oriented criminal underground in America, that would be very fake if these people were from Hong Kong, plus against the thematic concerns of The Departed.


So they are supposed to be speaking incorrect Kantonese... They are not from Hong Kong, they are not supposed to be, and they are not Triad members... They are supposed to look like underfed new immigrants to America, most probably illegal. That's the point.

Though it would have been more realistic if they were buying computer chips for North Korea; China doesn't need to buy these as stolen goods. That bothers me further more than the language spoken, when China today already has some of the best missiles in the world...

...pffff... And what is the hell are you doing here on The Last Emperor board? You must be totally sick.


> The scene showed your dumbass brother Toshi saying "lower the windows", which makes absolutely no sense within the context of the scene, and could only be caused by poor research on the part of the filmmakers.

I haven't check the entire casting list of The Departed including bit parts, but what are you trying to say but this sentence is completely beyond any people's understanding. Are you hallucinating or something?

AND WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT SUPPOSE TO HAVE TO DO WITH BERNARDO BERTOLUCCI'S THE LAST EMPEROR? ARE YOU MISTAKING AN ITALIAN FILMMAKER FROM AN AMERICAN-ITALIAN FILMMAKER? OR ARE YOU SIMPLY INSANE?

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you were never able to even grasp the concept when I critized Scorsese for allowing non-chinese speakers to deliver incorrectly written Chinese script while misprouncing all of the dialogue in Chinese during the Chinese gang scene.
What don't you understand from this -- it means you don't know what you are talking about with regards to any part of the botched scene in THE DEPARTED. If you don't speak or understand Chinese, you simply don't qualify to comment. You did, it made you a fool, you tried to deny by pushing irrelevant tangents into the discussion, you failed, and you simply couldn't deal with the fact that you are both ignorant and under-informed about many things - languages you don't speak is only a small part of that large dark pool of unknown in your deranged lobes.
AND WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT SUPPOSE TO HAVE TO DO WITH BERNARDO BERTOLUCCI'S THE LAST EMPEROR? ARE YOU MISTAKING AN ITALIAN FILMMAKER FROM AN AMERICAN-ITALIAN FILMMAKER? OR ARE YOU SIMPLY INSANE?
Adding more insult to your injury, call up your friend Scorsese and ask if he calls himself an "AMERICAN-ITALIAN"... Oh I forget, you know him, but he doesn't even know you exist

Have you lost your direction again? What is the point you're trying to make -- Ah, that you don't know what you're talking about, but are too shallow and a coward to admit your lunacy? End yourself loser -- stop being the embarrassment you are to your parents and your neighborhood in Takiyama.

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> What don't you understand from this --

No. It is impossible to understand the pretentious use of the word "concept" in what you originally wrote. As for the rest that you quoted here, it's already totally responded:




> if you speak Chinese at all,

I don't, and that is totally irrelevant since....

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n fact according to the reality of the Asian-ethnicity oriented criminal underground in America, that would be very fake if these people were from Hong Kong, plus against the thematic concerns of The Departed.


So they are supposed to be speaking incorrect Kantonese... They are not from Hong Kong, they are not supposed to be, and they are not Triad members... They are supposed to look like underfed new immigrants to America, most probably illegal. That's the point.

Though it would have been more realistic if they were buying computer chips for North Korea; China doesn't need to buy these as stolen goods. That bothers me further more than the language spoken, when China today already has some of the best missiles in the world...

...pffff... And what is the hell are you doing here on The Last Emperor board? You must be totally sick.


End of story. Try to post something constructive and interesting for a change, instead of your silly personal feud which is of absolutely no interest to the public. Your stupidity, arrogance and pretentious nature is solely your problem. Don't try to involve other people into your personal mental problems.

AND WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT SUPPOSE TO HAVE TO DO WITH BERNARDO BERTOLUCCI'S THE LAST EMPEROR? ARE YOU MISTAKING AN ITALIAN FILMMAKER FROM AN ITALIAN-AMERICAN FILMMAKER? OR ARE YOU SIMPLY INSANE?


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No. It is impossible to understand the pretentious use of the word "concept" in what you originally wrote. As for the rest that you quoted here, it's already totally responded
Responded with WHAT? You have added nothing to support your argument that their Chinese is appropriate even if they are not from Hong Kong. It is not relevant to even factor their provincial background -- For any chinese-speaking person regardless of their dialect origin, they would not have made the atrociously laughable mistakes they made in THE DEPARTED. This is not a concept you could grasp, but you argue on as if you actually have a point to make -- only leading you to more embarrassment. I guess you just love to look stupid as all this is just a repeat of what led to your account getting deleted in the first place.
End of story. Try to post something constructive and interesting for a change, instead of your silly personal feud which is of absolutely no interest to the public. Your stupidity, arrogance and pretentious nature is solely your problem. Don't try to involve other people into your personal mental problems.
End of what story? The only story that needs to end is your pathetic troll of a worthless life who has to persist your psychotic presence on IMDB(and probably other places on the Internet, as you haven't the social skills to communicate in a live setting without getting your face bludgeoned)... you have no other contribution to make, and you hold no value but to disturb others from civilized discussions. If you have no other way to find a purpose to your existence, don't impose on others to gain a false sense of self-worth by dishing out nonsense.

End yourself, loser

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why argue on without making a point... if you're only going to copy and paste from your stupid irrelevant posts, you could save IMDB some space by just reading simple facts? Or is it just a product of your bad medication and botched shock therapy?

No. It is impossible to understand the pretentious use of the word "concept" in what you originally wrote. As for the rest that you quoted here, it's already totally responded
Responded with WHAT? You have added nothing to support your argument that their Chinese is appropriate even if they are not from Hong Kong. It is not relevant to even factor their provincial background -- For any chinese-speaking person regardless of their dialect origin, they would not have made the atrociously laughable mistakes they made in THE DEPARTED. This is not a concept you could grasp, but you argue on as if you actually have a point to make -- only leading you to more embarrassment. I guess you just love to look stupid as all this is just a repeat of what led to your account getting deleted in the first place.
End of story. Try to post something constructive and interesting for a change, instead of your silly personal feud which is of absolutely no interest to the public. Your stupidity, arrogance and pretentious nature is solely your problem. Don't try to involve other people into your personal mental problems.
End of what story? The only story that needs to end is your pathetic troll of a worthless life who has to persist your psychotic presence on IMDB(and probably other places on the Internet, as you haven't the social skills to communicate in a live setting without getting your face bludgeoned)... you have no other contribution to make, and you hold no value but to disturb others from civilized discussions. If you have no other way to find a purpose to your existence, don't impose on others to gain a false sense of self-worth by dishing out nonsense.

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> why argue on without making a point...

That is exactly what you are doing here;

1) all your complaints are meaningless, just a result of you misunderstanding The Departed. The scene is among the weakest moments in the film anyway, but not because of what you complained. The adding of the latest layer to the American ethnically-oriented criminal underground was by itself could have been a valuable point, it is within the logic of the film, but it's just too anecdotic, and only adding more running-time to a film which was already too long. As it stands, it only functions to establish the conflictual situations between the FBI and the State Police, that the FBI is secretly betraying the State Police, which is important by itself, but could be treated better if the deal Costello was making also had enough strength within the film, enriching the nature of the universe it is describing, and not just a hasty anecdote.

2) There's absolutely no justifiable reason for you to come to this The Last Emperor board, nor for you to stalk myself on a public space. It's totally sick and silly.

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shifting the discussion about a language you haven't a clue about to FBI & the State Police? You may have lost your mind long ago, but don't expect others to be as stupid as you...

here's a reminder before your bad synapse...


why argue on without making a point... if you're only going to copy and paste from your stupid irrelevant posts, you could save IMDB some space by just reading simple facts? Or is it just a product of your bad medication and botched shock therapy?



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Responded with WHAT? You have added nothing to support your argument that their Chinese is appropriate even if they are not from Hong Kong. It is not relevant to even factor their provincial background -- For any chinese-speaking person regardless of their dialect origin, they would not have made the atrociously laughable mistakes they made in THE DEPARTED. This is not a concept you could grasp, but you argue on as if you actually have a point to make -- only leading you to more embarrassment. I guess you just love to look stupid as all this is just a repeat of what led to your account getting deleted in the first place.


End yourself, for the sake of your abused parents.

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> shifting the discussion about a language you haven't a clue about to FBI & the State Police?

No, you are the one who is shifting it. You didn't have a clue about who were these Chinese criminal underground and their functions in he story of The Departed at the first place, as you have been repeatedly told and you still continue to shift the issue to your silly complaints which are meaningless since they are only based on your misunderstandings; they are not supposed to be Triads members from Hong Kong at the first place. I never questioned the ability of you guys to understand the Chinese dialects that you guys know, I simply said that the complaints are themselves just silly and only based on misunderstanding the film.

> End yourself,

You should disappear from here if you have no wish to make discussion about Bernardo Bertolucci's The Last Emperor, and you should disappear from IMDB if the only thing you are interested is your petty ego and your personal feud, disregarding all the fundamental ethics and rules for a decent public discussion, which you seem to be absolutely incapable to consider.

So here's a written stuff that even a fool like yourself can understand.


This board is reserved for discussions about The Last Emperor (1987)
Inappropriate discussions may be deleted or moved


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/threads/

Please don't behave so childishly and silly.

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Please don't behave so childishly and silly. Inappropriate discussions may be deleted or moved.
I guess that's why your account was deleted, LOSER

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> guess that's why your account was deleted,

I deleted it myself as it was hacked, a result of a silly lunatic behavior of somebody like yourself--an internet stalker. Please don't hallucinate based on your personal fantasy. I know you have huge difficulties recognizing the reality from your fantasies, but you should either make the efforts if you want to become an adult, or if you are already an adult then you should see a psychiatrist.

So you cannot make any coherent contradictions so you resort in personal insults with absolutely no foundation. Silly....

So, you should disappear from here if you have no wish to make discussion about Bernardo Bertolucci's The Last Emperor, and you should disappear from IMDB if the only thing you are interested is your petty ego and your personal feud. Here's a written stuff that even a fool like yourself can understand.


This board is reserved for discussions about The Last Emperor (1987)
Inappropriate discussions may be deleted or moved


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/threads/

As you read, this is not a place for you to go insane with your frustrated petty ego.

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As you read, this is not a place for you to go insane with your frustrated petty ego.
Again, I'm not the one who had their account deleted -- You are the lunatic that got chased off and went into hiding.

If you want to learn something about Ryuichi Sakamoto's collaboration with David Byrne and how he worked with Bertolucci on THE LAST EMPEROR, as well as SHELTERING SKY, be polite and don't pretend you know what you haven't a clue about... maybe you'll learn something for a change, LOSER

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> Again, I'm not the one who had their account deleted

You seem to be incapable to read... Read this again http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93677583&a mp;a mp;a mp;p=2#93677583. This is the post you are responding.

> be polite and don't pretend you know what you haven't a clue about... maybe you'll learn something for a change, LOSER

Again bluffing about things that you actually don't know anything about? Silly pretentious prick... You know that you lying about working in the film industry would never make you a respected poster on IMDB? Solely the contents of what you actually writes count on an anonymous board, and not what you pretend to be.

And in case you really knew something that may interest people who appreciates Sakamoto=Byrne collaboration on The Last Emperor, why don't you just contribute to the discussion here instead of using that o satisfy your petty ego? Isn't it about time that you realize this is a place for a public discussion and not a place for you to masturbate upon your pathological fantasies?


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So you are still very deep in denial, aren't you pathetic you little worthless tick?

I don't work in the industry, but I get invited to film festivals you've never been allowed a pass to enter, except for tickets to a film being screened? Want to see the photos I've posted links to before which sent you hiding for weeks? In case you've forgotten with your 36kb memory, I'm talking about photos of invitations to festivals, as well as photos of places in tokyo you tried to lie about to other posters I'd made up? How long will you go into hiding after that in hopes people will forget about your chikan-looking ass-of-a-face?

Btw, I think you also remember incorrectly about how your account got deleted, beginning with all your stupid posts getting wiped out by iMDb admin. They did the right thing by getting rid of you then, and I can't wait to see how stupid and pathetic you will get before they wipe you out again, LOSER

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> So you are still very deep in denial, aren't you pathetic you little worthless tick?

Denial about what?

> I'm talking about photos of invitations to festivals, as well as photos of places in tokyo you tried to lie about to other posters I'd made up?

Errrr... I never said that, I just pointed out that your memory is very confused and in most case mistaken, therefore what you write is very unreliable. I don't care whether you've been in Tokyo or not, while when you provide wrong information, it is an obligation for everybody participating in a public debate to correct that.

> I don't work in the industry, but I get invited to film festivals you've never been allowed a pass to enter, except for tickets to a film being screened?

Actually, I am refusing invitations from a lot of festivals; I just cannot attend to all that I get invited. While you are very silly since you working in the film industry is not sufficient enough to be actually invited to film festivals... For your information, most festivals only invite filmmakers, and the producers get invited mainly when the director cannot attend. You are neither of the two anyway... Getting the pass, or the accreditation, is not the same as getting "invited," and certainly not you pretending to be a friend of John Woo (and even if you are, WHO CARES as long as you don't provide any info valuable concerning Woo? This is not the place for that anyway).

> Btw, I think you also remember incorrectly about how your account got deleted, beginning with all your stupid posts getting wiped out by iMDb admin.

Again, your lies? That never happened, I just asked the administrations to delete my account as it was hacked, and they deleted it in just one move, hence deleting all my posts--about which I still am receiving a lot of complaints from other users, first on boards "why these posts got deleted when the information was valuable?", then now on my PM box.

And again, who would be interested on a public board about your petty ego or your very inaccurate confused memories? And what the hell does that have to do with The Last Emperor? Why you keep spaming every boards and threads you take part with your silly personal arrogance pretending how much you "know" (when most information you provide are confused and mistaken) accompanied with remarkably shallow non-thoughts, "opinions" mostly copied from industrial papers? Frankly, whether you get invited to film festivals or not, WHO CARES? If you provide valuable information and deep comprehensive thoughts about films, you automatically get some respects--which you seem to be totally incapable to provide...

So have you finished your stupid rants? For a change, why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, created by Ryuichi Sakamoto and David Byrne, and Tan Dun, since you claimed that you know something about? Then people would understand that you are not just a fool but a valuable poster on this board (though I seriously doubt that you will ever be able to...).

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> In fact, it will be shown again at the Berlin Film Festival,

Whether you are making this up or

> I can't say if this conductor is the same Toshi Fujiwara or not...

...I am not, since I have never heard about that, when the producer should of course be informed, and should have issued the authorization.

> ...have to do more research on past promotional materials.

That wouldn't serve a thing since promotional materials mean they are public information, therefore accessible to basically everybody, so anybody can use that to pretend. And that is utterly meaningless since this is an anonymous board, the identity of each participants should not be concerned and can never be determined at the first place. Don't waste your time.

> once again presented by Scorsese.

What do you mean "once again"? Martin Scorsese was not involved in the premiere presentation.

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whatever you want to rant lunatic about a terrible piece of amateur home-video, do it at your own leisure and no one needs to be annoyed by that kind of garbage. If you made it, and it sucks, you still should be a man and admit you made a crock of feces and wasted your parents money on it.

why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, created by Ryuichi Sakamoto and David Byrne, and Tan Dun, since you claimed that you know something about?
I have met Tan Dun, as well as Ryuichi Sakamoto, and spoke extensively to Sakamoto-san about his work with Oshima Nagisa as well as Bertolucci in film music. Tan Dun discussed with me about his music composition and stage presentations of his work, such as Turandot, and his 90's work Heaven, Earth, & Mankind. I find him passionate, and oozing with confidence. BUT THE MOST INTERESTING THING ABOUT TAN DUN THAT IS WORTH NOTING IS THAT HE NEVER MENTIONED ABOUT WORKING ON THE MUSIC TO THE LAST EMPEROR...

HAVE YOU GOTTEN CONFUSED BETWEEN TAN DUN and CONG SU? SO WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW THAT IS ACCURATE, INSTEAD OF JUST BEING YOUR CONFUSED IMAGINATIONS?

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I will ask him what he thought of The Last Emperor
Also please ask him if Tosser Fujiwara is a personal friend of his where he would send him presents such as his mother's cookbook, and in spite of Scorsese's comment on THE DEPARTED's dvd bonus feature about leaving to the audience's interpretation whether the Delahunt character is an undercover cop or not, that he had also confirmed with Tosser-boy with a definite "yes."

Btw, see if you can find out where the lost music Tan Dun had composed for THE LAST EMPEROR is, CONsucker Fujiwara insists Tan Dun had worked on the score for the Bertolucci film.

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Thank you CindyDod,

it would also be good if you can ask Mr. Scorsese whether he has ever come across the alter-ego of Tosserwara where one minute the weasel would talk extensively about his WE CAN'T GO HOME AGAIN, and then suddenly deny he has anything to do with it. Furthermore, has he ever asked Mr. Scorsese the question, "err, CANNOT YOU READ?"

... If I were Martin Scorsese, my immediate response would be, "Is that Yoda-speak? You're a fan of George's work?"

To which Tosser-boy would lose it and exclaim, "Err, why don't you give credit where credit is due? TAN DUN ALSO WORKED ON IT, you LOOSER!"

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> I had a conversation by phone with Mr. Scorsese yesterday,

First of all, this is The Last Emperor board and nothing to do with Martin Scorsese, so this is not the place for you to post informations about whether Scorsese would go to the Berlinale or not.

Secondly, since his appearance is not yet confirmed, it is already not very wise for you to make the information public. But that is still nothing compared to making public a phone conversation that you had concerning your job, with the other party--a public person--having no knowledge that you had the intention of making it public. If you were making an interview over the phone then you can make the contents of the conversation public, but this apparently is not the case. You may even lose your job, or at least would bring a lot of discomfort to Mr. Martin Scorsese.

Additionally, since it is announced that Shutter Island will start production in March, which already makes him difficult to attend the Berlinale.

> He said he looks forward to another viewing of the Fujiwara film

What do you mean "another viewing," when it was never shown in the United States hence Martin Scorsese probably hadn't seen it?

> and that he has, I repeat, has had conversations with the Japanese filmmaker recently, mostly over historical approaches towards Silence and that is all he would say on it.

Which is no surprise, since he is asking every Japanese he meets about Silence--but I haven't met Martin Scorsese for quite a while as I haven't been in the States for quite a while, so either I am not this Mr. Fujiwara (added to this, I don't know anything about the screening of We Can't Go Home Again in this year's Berlinale, when the director-producer should have been contacted a long time ago to give the authorizations and send the print), or you are just making things up to fool people around here, or Scorsese have talked with other Japanese filmmakers regarding Silence which is also completely natural.

> He has yet to see Infernal Affairs, which I find disappointing.

Why? It's better not seeing it than being disgusted by watching it--and after all, that's a pretty disgusting film, filled with conservative and irresponsible cliche sentimentalism.


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> I am not sure what you mean by "making this up." Why would I?

That such thing would never happen in reality--and I don't see any reason why it had to be screened again in the Berlinale. But in case if I were that Mr. Fujiwara, then I would have known that his film is honored to be screened again in the Berlinale, while I haven't heard anything about that screening, nor asked to come to Berlin, so maybe I am not that Mr.Fujiwara contrary to what these fools want to believe (and they are silly, as if I were it would give a lot of legitimacy to what I said, particularly correcting all the glaring mistakes mr. funda-something made bluffing as if he knew something about Japan, or about filmmaking), or you are making up this entire thing which is not at all true, or you are mistaken and misinformed, or some festival staff forgot to contact Mr. Fujiwara about getting the authorization for his film to be screened, and getting the print of the film--without which the film cannot be screened at the Berlinale.

> I will ask him what he thought of The Last Emperor.

He would say anything against it out of diplomacy. What would be the reason for him to be asked that at the first place? Why whether Martin Scorsese would go to the Berlinale or not should be discussed here at the first place? You guys must be nuts, and very irresponsible.

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=94324970&a mp;p=3#94324970

And a message for the IMBD administrator who keeps deleting the above-mentioned post, please try to name at least one reasonable reason why you keep deleting it, WHEN IT ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T CONTAIN ANYTHING THAT VIOLATES YOUR CONDITIONS AND TERMS FOR ITS USERS, AND DOESN'T FIT TO ANY OF THE CATEGORIES AS YOU LIST IN YOUR ABUSE-REPORT FORMS. You guys just can check by clicking on the link that I stated above.

Or is it a typical fascist political censorship, since the above-mentioned post doesn't make any propaganda, but just simply acknowledge the historical fact that communism is one of the legitimate ideologies as created by the human race?

Then that is a very plain violation of the basic human right of the freedom of thoughts, ideals, and speech.

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the fact that THE LAST EMPEROR was the first film that gave hope to a generation of survivors to decades of hardship under chaotic regimes and war - hope that history as they know it would be revealed.
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...when the life of Pu Yi was hardly a "history" that the Chinese public could even know about, apart from the autobiography he wrote, often criticized as "white-washed." The co-author of that book, hence the one who interviewed Pu Yi for length and knew very well his life story as Pu Yi told, Lee Wenda, was also one of the technical advisors for the film-a man who also suffered a lot during the cultural revolution, simply because he worked with Pu Yi.
What do you know that is more accurate than the survivors to those atrocities. Each audience member can have their unique expectations for a film, as well as their reactions - for a film that is inspired by history such as THE LAST EMPEROR, why couldn't anyone expect it to reveal the truths that has not been addressed in cinema before, and why aren't they allowed to expect the film to adhere to history as documented not by one particular side, but from a variety of angles REGARDLESS of whose perspective the narrative is to be depicted?



THE LAST EMPEROR was promoted during its release as a film about truths not known about China's last dynasty and the years of occupation by the Japanese. It made promises that it couldn't keep to a generation of filmgoers who had lived through the years to which the film tries to recount. It is perfectly expected and acceptable for a filmmaker to take creative license to make history more compelling, and Spielberg's EMPIRE OF THE SUN does that, yet there was hardly any criticism on historical inaccuracies - it doesn't mean there aren't any, but the rest of the story and the way it was told made up for the anachronisms.

When I watched THE KILLING FIELDS, the "mercedes, number one" line was the "Dad, can we play catch?" to FIELD OF DREAMS... years later when I spoke to Dith Pran hoping to find out more about the boy, he told me the boy existed, but the scene where the same boy spared his life never happened. Does that make the film inaccurate? It doesn't in my opinion because the bigger story was the atrocities people had to suffer under the Khymer Rouge - and many survivors of that era are fans of THE KILLING FIELDS for that reason.

The bottomline is, WHAT DO YOU KNOW BETTER than those who lived through the cultural revolution, as well as the Japanese occupation days? AND, if the director's cut reveals more, as what is claimed in the promotions, why aren't you able to even address that? I haven't not seen the director's cut myself, but many have claimed it makes up for the problems the original 164 minute had - did you not watch it before you started ranting blindly about the film?

AND WHERE ARE THE LOST MUSIC COMPOSED BY YOUR FAVORITE COMPOSER TAN DUN, as well as the links to the websites to which I plagarized information about RYUICHI SAKAMOTO from? LOSER

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And what happened to this complaint of yours...?


while ignoring all the historic inaccuracies right down to the interrogations devised to break-down innocent citizens.


...when that is not even part of the history that is the concern of the film The Last Emperor? And if you have seen the film, you also would have known that at the end, the film shows the governor of the detention center being publicly humiliated by the red-guards during the cultural revolution--something that actually happened to the person (except that Pu Yi coulnd't have possibly seen him then).

Why this kind of complaint can even exist to this film is beyond the comprehension of any sane person--that is, except that you clearly haven't seen the film so you were mistaken from the beginning... Or you being totally plagued by anti-communist propaganda...

The interrogation scenes are very well done, and also reproduces many devices and techniques actually used during that period--and the real governor suplying these information. These scenes also include the interrogator (Rick Young) going way out of his function and responsibility, becoming hysterical. As I wrote before, the longer television version explains the reason why he became so hysterical--that he lost all his family during the Japanese invasion.

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So Conductor 71 has returned. I wouldn’t take him too seriously. I won’t deny he’s knowledgeable on cinema, but as you can see he’s got serious anger management issues and is as psychotic as some of Scorsese’s less pleasant protagonists. He left this site awhile ago when some one hacked into his account and made this fake article about him.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2619/imagezg7.jpg

It’s amazing that where ever he goes the reaction is the same and yet in his eyes everyone else seems to be the problem.


"Death to Videodrome, long live the new flesh" Videodrome

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> He left this site awhile ago when some one hacked into his account and made this fake article about him.

Actually, you did. Hence a good cause to file an abuse report and ask IMDB to block your account. You made a very nice confession here, since apart from the person who did that hacking (which is totally unlawful), only the IMDB administrations know that my account was hacked. With such serious violation of the terms and conditions to use this site, I wonder how can you even dare to continue to participate here. You have no conscience?

However, you'd better go to a shrink since your behavior here is clearly that of a seriously deranged person...

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I don’t know how to hack into anything. Try again. File your abuse report since I’m innocent and have nothing to hide.

"Is fashion such a serious consideration?" The Age of Innocence

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> I don’t know how to hack into anything.

Pfff... What a poor liar you are... Who else does even know that account was "hacked"? Only you who did that except for the IMDB administrations? Plus, the contents itself of your previous post already include some violation of the terms and conditions that you as a user need to obey.

Tell me, what kind of pathological excitement you get by exposing your deranged behaviors on a public board?

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A brief list of a few users who new about the hacking.

artihcus022 (He thought it was an absurd joke you were playing)
KubrickScorsGreenLynch
SeanJoyce
tieman64
Fundaquayman
JohnBonDon
GuitardudJosh
lotsaluck
CindyDod (She thought the whole situation was hysterical)
RyojiKajiLynch
PhoCris
charles-ima
Gumby


"Is fashion such a serious consideration?" The Age of Innocence

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Naturally, because you told them. otherwise, who else can even tell that it was hacked.

Or shall foreward the e-mail you send me to IMDB administrations?

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(You made a very nice confession here, since apart from the person who did that hacking (which is totally unlawful), only the IMDB administrations know that my account was hacked.)

There were multiple threads on the Scorsese board about the hacking. Your theory doesn’t hold water at all. It was comen knowledge over there.


"Is fashion such a serious consideration?" The Age of Innocence

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> here were multiple threads on the Scorsese board about the hacking.

Which you started...

Anyway, what kind of pathological excitements you get by exposing your deranged mindset on a public board, being a virtual stalker on the internet?

Who else can even tell that you hacked my account unless the one who did that told them that it was hacked? You are extremely silly.

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I’ve never started a thread on IMBD. Report me to the administrators. I have nothing to hide. The bizarre messages the hacker put on your profile and this article http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2619/imagezg7.jpg made it clear to everyone.

"Is fashion such a serious consideration?" The Age of Innocence

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> The bizarre messages the hacker put on your profile

Which you also made up yourself...

Silly, the account was deleted even before anybody took notice... What a poor liar you are... IMDB people was very quick about that, it was deleted even before they send me an e-mail that some changes was made on account, which leaves automatically when changes are made. There was not a chance that anybody else except for the one who did it, which of course is yourself, could even know that it was hacked.

But you never answered my question: what kind of pathological excitements you get by exposing your deranged mindset on a public board, being a virtual stalker on the internet?

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Just putting in my two cents here, but originalshadow77, why would you save the fake article? That just makes you look even more like the hacker.

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I dunno, why did Dick Nixon keep those recorders running? Nixon didn't think that the American President would ever get pulled up for what he did, well he was wrong.

Mr original shadow here actually believed that his senseless deranged act of cyber fraud would never get him caught. He forgot that we are living in the 21st Century.

People dissapear every day...Every time you leave the room - The Passenger

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I kept the article because I thought it was funny (as did articus022 at the time). I honestly wonder who did do it. I don’t have the faintest idea how to hack into any computer system. As I said report me because I didn’t do it and have nothing to hide. If I did it my account should be terminated. Since I didn’t I have nothing to fear. My sense of humor is silly, but that doesn’t make me a hacker.

"Is fashion such a serious consideration?" The Age of Innocence

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I kept the article because I thought it was funny (as did articus022 at the time).

I certainly didn't find it funny. My first reaction was that it was too absurd and bizarre for me to ever be seeing it on an Internet board. But then I figured(wrongly now) that it was a joke that conductor was playing on all the suckers that irritated him. Since none of the information of that was real enough to be funny. Like that jpg of an article for a newspaper, I first checked that it was a real newspaper, it was and then searched for that article there. It wasn't there.

I didn't think IMDb accounts could be hacked, so I thought it was a joke that conductor was playing on them.





People dissapear every day...Every time you leave the room - The Passenger

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He can't; these silly right-wingers firmly believe that to attack the "liberals" with any means is essential in reassuring their so-called national security. It's a form of mental disease.

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Original Shadow,

Don't pay attention to CONSUCK. Obviously the loser is trying to resurface after being completely demolished by those who figured long ago the lunatic has no other purpose for his pathetic existence but to make claims about films he's never even seen... Every time his fraud was exposed, he would try to pretend he never understood the embarrassment he's made himself to be... When that didn't work, he simply goes into hiding until he finds another crack to crawl out of to restart his nuisance again. If he had anything important to say when his account was deleted by IMDB admin, he would have done so much earlier, instead of waiting till everyone who laughed at him to go back into more civilized discussions on what the board is created for - films. Who cares about the loser who claims he knows Scorsese, but couldn't get himself closer than 200 feet from the man.

Remember how he tried to make bold statements about the chinese language and challenged native speakers?

I would suggest you spend your time enjoying more movies. Your disability is a big enough challenge that makes you a much more courageous person than the likes of CONSUCK, who is still living off his folks when the puck is more than 30 years old - in japan, these losers are called "Freeters".

Happy new year - good health to you, and whatever challenges you have to deal with day to day, be thankful you're much better off than the likes of TOSSERwara CONSUCK...

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To address a few points, if I may:

Conductor has asserted that his previous account was rapidly abolished shortly after being hacked into, specifically in a time fraction he approximated at 5 minutes:

since the account was deleted about 5 minutes after it was hacked on Sat Dec 29 2007 15:20:37

This is utterly impossible, as several amendments were made to the profile in an interval of days, possible extending to a week (+). The first change was the addition of "undercover brother was here", followed by the posted mock article (which I still find absolutely hysterical), it to to be followed by a reworking of the cover art for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. I, and many others, witnessed these various alterations before the account was eradicated. Your claim of a 5-minute gap before deletion doesn't hold water, as you'd be implying that I and many others didn't see these developments, which we obviously did. It was a source of heated conversation at the board for quite some time.

Your method of defense here seems to be to accuse the first person who made mention of the trial, and then rigidly cling to your assumption no matter how unsound it is. Well that's fine if you're willing to play the guessing game to jump to conclusions, but I ask you what your arsenal includes once others step up and say that they too were witnesses to the unfolding of the events...would it be a *gasp* conspiracy then?

The point is that the identity of your hacker will forever remain anonymous unless you can furnish incontrovertible proof of an alleged person's involvement. Finger-pointing and postulating on the grounds of an allusion don't amount to a hill of beans.

Now you can go ahead and make any unsubstantiated claims about me that you'd wish.

PeAcE

"It's covered ya two-bit redneck peckerwood."~Strother Martin, The Wild Bunch

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> This is utterly impossible, as several amendments were made to the profile in an interval of days, possible extending to a week (+).

it didn't. The account was deleted immediately after I notified IMDB administrators.

> The point is that the identity of your hacker will forever remain anonymous

No, since only the hacker himself and the victim can now it was hacked, the rest of the people can only guess.

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Fu_ckin' A...not even through modifying my post and there's already a response.

it didn't. The account was deleted immediately after I notified IMDB administrators.

Preposterous, unless you waited an extended period of time to contact them. You're also ignoring a few prominent issues here: The speed with which the IMDb administrators operate and the curious inadvertant admission that you frequently log in and out of your account while online, which would be the only feasible explanation for how you were able to detect the hackjob the moment it occured, as you've claimed here. In short, your insistence that your IMDb account was immediately abolished is both bogus and insulting, and I pity you if you continue promoting such maneur.

No, since only the hacker himself and the victim can now it was hacked, the rest of the people can only guess.

originalshadow hypothesized along with the rest of us, and we collectively surmised that it was the only logical explanation. You can claim he feigned bewilderment all you want to, but you haven't a shred of evidence to convince me otherwise.

"It's covered ya two-bit redneck peckerwood."~Strother Martin, The Wild Bunch

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> Preposterous, unless you waited an extended period of time to contact them.

Well, since it actually did happen, so????

> The speed with which the IMDb administrators operate and the curious inadvertant admission that you frequently log in and out of your account while online,

Easy; coincidence. I happened to be writing a post just at the moment it was hacked , so contacted the administrators immediately. End of story. The automatic function of IMDB sending e-mails regarding an account being modified (hence, a notification that this case a hacking happened) arrived AFTER they deleted the account.

> originalshadow hypothesized along with the rest of us,

Nope, otherwise you should be a fool to confuse hypothesis, or actually a guess and what is factual.

Anyway, what is this pathologically irresponsible behaviors of yours of spamming The Last Emperor board with something that has absolutely no relevance to the film The Last Emperor? Don't you have any sense of public responsibility? Are you as pathetically pathological, mentally deranged as Originalshadow777 alias [email protected]?

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SeanJoyce,

I do remember it was at least a few weeks before the account was rightfully deleted. I am appalled by how CONSUCK is trying to pin it on OORIGINALSHADOW, when all the guy did was to expose his identity, and also enjoying the collages created and posted on CONSUCK's profile after he ran off into hiding.

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> Remember how he tried to make bold statements about the chinese language and challenged native speakers?

And I won the debate, since all of these "native speakers" were ignorant of the situation of the so-called "Chinese" criminal underground in the American crime scenes, so the authenticity of the accents were not even in question regarding the authenticity of the scene itself . It is not supposed to be Kantonese spoken by native Kantonese speakers from Hong Kong at the first place.

And you probably have forgotten so conveniently that... As usual... Pffff....

None of the Chinese speakers, including native ones ignored the reality of the Chinese/Asian underground in the American society today, so nobody could contradict my arguments, including yourself--and that was indeed part of the essential themes of The Departed: the historical layers of immigrations to America, new immigrants almost always forced to reduce themselves into criminal life-styles (hence, you guys being so obsessed about "china" reducing yourselves to cinematic illiterates).

But what the hell are you doing now on The Last Emperor board is a huge mystery to me, since you guys have nothing to say about The Last Emperor, which makes automatically your participation here as "Inappropriate discussions." You guys seem to have any sense of public responsibility, nor respects.

Also I should add that this kind of behavior is totally pathological, to the point of being lunatic... Stalking people on an internet discussion board? That's silly.

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And I won the debate
Is that how you remember it, while everyone who read those threads were just laughing at how stupid your posts were? 60 years ago you would have been an inspiration for Hitchcock... but nowadays, you just belong in a room with soft-walls.

If you don't speak or read Chinese, you don't even qualify to comment on the atrociously stupid scene in THE DEPARTED.

But what the hell are you doing now on The Last Emperor board is a huge mystery to me
It is an infinitely darker mystery as to why you are even allowed to post on IMDB... Whatever you have posted about THE LAST EMPEROR is just copied rehash from what you have read. Yet you pose as if you were actually involved in the project when you try to put down others opinions. If I tell you I discussed the music to THE LAST EMPEROR with Ryuichi Sakamoto, does that qualify? This would also be the perfect opportunity for you to jump in and claim kinship with Sakamoto-san?

get a dose of reality and end yourself, loser

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> Is that how you remember it,

It was factually so. If you want to contradict, you just need to contradict this right now here...


all of these "native speakers" were ignorant of the situation of the so-called "Chinese" criminal underground in the American crime scenes, so the authenticity of the accents were not even in question regarding the authenticity of the scene itself . It is not supposed to be Kantonese spoken by native Kantonese speakers from Hong Kong at the first place.

And you probably have forgotten so conveniently that... As usual... Pffff....

None of the Chinese speakers, including native ones ignored the reality of the Chinese/Asian underground in the American society today, so nobody could contradict my arguments, including yourself--and that was indeed part of the essential themes of The Departed: the historical layers of immigrations to America, new immigrants almost always forced to reduce themselves into criminal life-styles (hence, you guys being so obsessed about "china" reducing yourselves to cinematic illiterates).


...which obviously you cannot, so you just skipped that portion... Pathetic behavior of a loser...

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ask yourself, what does re-pasting irrlevant drivel do to help you support an argument?

get help or end yourself LOSER... your parents would have less to be embarrased about.

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> ask yourself, what does re-pasting irrlevant drivel

Excuse me, but that was the only relevant issue at the first place. To those who questioned the authenticity of the Kantonese spoken in The Departed, I simply have said that it was not supposed to be genuine Hong Kong people speaking Kantonese, in fact according to the reality of the Asian-ethnicity oriented criminal underground in America, that would be very fake if these people were from Hong Kong, plus against the thematic concerns of The Departed.

But what the hell does your ranting here has to do with The Last Emperor is beyond any understanding of any sane people anyway... Which makes you automatically a troll here (or anywhere for that matters, since all your posts are filled with stupid arrogance but with no actual contents at all).

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To those who questioned the authenticity of the Kantonese spoken in The Departed
Is KANTOnese an aboriginal form of Japanese you use at home, or at the Takiyama MOSBURGER?

The script, as well as the delivery of the dialogue, proves none of the Asian actors speaking supposedly Chinese lines were Chinese speakers of any kind. Even a 3 year old child would not make the grammar or pronounciation mistakes they made.

The only value those guys serve in the world would be as an analogy to your comments on films and subjects you haven't a clue about, but yet you still try to pose as if you're an expert to further your embarrassment.

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...AND YOU STILL EVADE FROM THE ISSUE THAT WAS DISCUSSED....


n fact according to the reality of the Asian-ethnicity oriented criminal underground in America, that would be very fake if these people were from Hong Kong, plus against the thematic concerns of The Departed.



...and this is The Last Emperor board... So what is the hell are you doing here if you are not going to discuss The Last Emperor? Cannot you get rid of your pathological mentality of becoming an obsessive net stalker?

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you could have grown up in Amsterdam, San Francisco, or even Malawi... if you speak Chinese at all, or have had learned the language even as a child, you would not have a problem understanding the errors they made with the dialogue in that scene as simply poor research, bad writing, and miscasting... not to mention the scene was poorly shot and edited.

Btw, you brought up the subject... similar to the many times you've ran yourself into walls of embarrassment before your account was deleted.

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> The Chinese characters WERE supposed to be from Mainland China. They are identified as such in the film in fact.

Where? Them selling the chips supposedly to the Chinese government (which sounds very fishy, it should have been North Korea) doesn't make them Chinese from mainland China, or actually can only mean the contrary. You must be extremely naive if you thought that they were from the mainland since they were making deals with the government, and hopelessly ignorant about the criminal scenes, and in diplomacy. To the contrary, they would never do that.

That is something that is probably only my imagination, but personally I even thought that the government representative must be a fake one within the context of the film. No government official of the Chinese government would be THAT stupid, concerning the delicate situation between the United States and China. China is one of the most important power in international politics, a permanent member of UN security council, and virtually the only country that can say an effective "no" to George Bush in international politics today. Their diplomats would never behave that recklessly, like those coming from some African or Latin American third world countries (who are involved in drug-deals in may so-called advanced country, getting away without being arrested since diplomats cannot get arrested). If the FBI really have arrested them including the government representative, that would be way too huge a scandal whether Costello gets arrested or not would be a very minor thing. Nobody with some commonsense won't be able to take the situation of the scene seriously. And if he were a diplomat, he cannot get arrested at the first place, so the FBI would have set a far-more complex trap than that, especially when China is involved.

...And China doesn't need stealing computer chips for missiles anyway...

But I have no idea if the filmmakers tried to imply that the entire thing was fraud or not. The above is not enough indication anyway, cannot tell if either it was bad-screenwriting/movie fantasy or implied lies.

> Basically, little thought or research went into this scene from all angles and the result was badness.

Since it was a very minor scene anyway, my guess was that they just recruited people from New York's chinatown with the right look (obviously first-generation, uneducated lower working class--and they do look like that), tell them what to say and what would be the scene, the dialogues made up by the actors themselves--which is the way I would have done, the easiest and cheapest, while most reliable and realistic.

But this has nothing to do with The Last Emperor and why a scene from The Departed should be discussed here on The Last Emperor board is beyond any understanding of a sane person, including the outrageously lunatic fact that some people stalk other people to other board, that being their only usage of IMDB, which is supposed to be a deta base website.

> There is a reason after all why it was reported that in many screenings in Hong Kong of The Departed, audiences were laughing out loud at that scene.

Sorry for the Hong Kong people but that is a very minor issue anyway.

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That is something that is probably only my imagination, but personally I even thought that the government representative must be a fake one within the context of the film.
That's not the only opinion you have imagined which resulted in further embarrassment to your lunatic self when you tried to argue as if you knew what you were talking about -- in Chinese, if you want to tell someone to drop their weapons, you would never say "Luo Qiang," which by each character's definition would mean "drop/lower" or "gun/spear/window". Whether it is Mandarin, CANTONESE (not with a "K", as KONSUCK the imbecile misspells), Shanghainese, Toi-san, Fujian, Taiwanese (which essentially is based on Fujian/Min-nan dialect), one would never communicate "drop the guns/weapons" by saying "lok tseung" or "luo Qiang" -- even a child would know THAT expression would direct the interpretation of "qiang" or "tseung" to mean "windows/blinds." Everyone who has learned Chinese, whether within any part of Greater China, or in any Chinese speaking community outside the region... be it Europe, North & Latin America, or even within South East Asia, would know to use "fang shia" (in Cantonese it would be "fong digh")in communicating what the gangsters in THE DEPARTED should have been saying.

Similarly, would an english-speaking person ever say, "open the light", instead of "turn on the lights"? The anachronism shown in that scene in THE DEPARTED is even more atrociously erroneous by comparison!

To defend a terribly produced and written scene in a movie one actually was involved in the creative process, I could see where the motivation of that kind of blind-faith would come from... KONsuck is no more than a fanboy of Scorsese who tries to defend everything the man does EVEN when he has no more credibility than any other member of the audience who watched the film -- especially in the discussion of a scene that calls for language skills that he hasn't a clue about -- that is simply just the product of a deranged mindset filled with obsessed false hope.

To add more insult to his injury, this is what KONsuck writes in response to JonBonDon's list of facts pointing out how that particular scene was received [with ridicule] to Chinese-speaking audiences in Hong Kong.
Sorry for the Hong Kong people but that is a very minor issue anyway.
Sorry for what? You took no part in making that film, and you haven't a clue about the inaccuracies to that scene -- all you have is some dillusional imagination about the perfection of Scorsese... WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK, LOSER?


Last but not least, KONSUCK keeps harping on my lack of knowledge of THE LAST EMPEROR, and that he insists I haven't even seen the film... Everyone please take a look at what he wrote, and my response:
why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, created by Ryuichi Sakamoto and David Byrne, and Tan Dun, since you claimed that you know something about?
I have met Tan Dun, as well as Ryuichi Sakamoto, and spoke extensively to Sakamoto-san about his work with Oshima Nagisa as well as Bertolucci in film music. Tan Dun discussed with me about his music composition and stage presentations of his work, such as Turandot, and his 90's work Heaven, Earth, & Mankind (we spoke before he was signed on to work on the music to CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON). I find him passionate, and oozing with confidence. BUT THE MOST INTERESTING THING ABOUT TAN DUN THAT IS WORTH NOTING IS THAT HE NEVER MENTIONED ABOUT WORKING ON THE MUSIC TO THE LAST EMPEROR...

HAVE YOU GOTTEN CONFUSED BETWEEN TAN DUN and CONG SU? SO WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW THAT IS ACCURATE, INSTEAD OF JUST CONTINUING YOUR CONFUSED IMAGINATIONS?

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> That's not the only opinion you have imagined which resulted in further embarrassment to your lunatic self when you tried to argue as if you knew what you were talking about --

Errr.... What is the relevance to this post that you are responding? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93737414&a mp;a mp;a mp;p=4#93737414 Are you totally insane or what??


Nobody with some commonsense won't be able to take the situation of the scene seriously.



But I have no idea if the filmmakers tried to imply that the entire thing was fraud or not. The above is not enough indication anyway, cannot tell if either it was bad-screenwriting/movie fantasy or implied lies.


> Sorry for what?

Sorry that the Hong Kong people are so primitively nationalist, I guess .

I mean, would you even expect Hollywood to do an accurate description of Hong Kong triads, when these men were not even supposed to be triads at the first place, nor from underground organization from the mainland?

What the film depicts is, and you always fails to understand since you are so overwhelmed with the stereotypes upon your own people, that the recent huge waves of immigration from China to America had already formed many forms of organized crime, which don't have much to do with the criminal organizations in China. These are poor immigrants turning into crimes to protect themselves--which always have been the history of immigrants to America. The Irish went through that, the Italians, the african-americans after they were freed from slavery, the hispanics, then now the Chinese. That logic of the layers of minority immigrants is made very clear from the beginning of the film, sorry you were so cinematically illiterate not to recognize that.

> You took no part in making that film, and you haven't a clue about the inaccuracies to that scene -- all you have is some dillusional imagination about the perfection of Scorsese...

Again, cannot you read...? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93737414&a mp;a mp;a mp;p=4#93737414... in which I specifically wrote that the schema of the scene is by itself not a good one, and that the scene is anecdotic and weak, though I certainly understand the meaning of it...

> I have met Tan Dun, as well as Ryuichi Sakamoto, and spoke extensively to Sakamoto-san about his work with Oshima Nagisa as well as Bertolucci in film music.

And... who cares about your bluffing lies? If you try to pretend that you know them, try to do better than that, like writing about the contents of your "conversations" which should include some insights about the creation of the music. Without that, everybody can pretend that since everybody can check on IMDB that Tan Dun did also the music for Crouching Tiger, and Sakamoto did the music for Oshima's Merry Christmas Mr.Lawrence and Gohatto. Therefore, what you wrote doesn't extend a lie that anybody can make .

I think you'd better brush up on your intelligence...


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Here for us to witness the typical lunacy of KONSUCK

And... who cares about your bluffing lies? If you try to pretend that you know them, try to do better than that, like writing about the contents of your "conversations" which should include some insights about the creation of the music. Without that, everybody can pretend that since everybody can check on IMDB that Tan Dun did also the music for Crouching Tiger, and Sakamoto did the music for Oshima's Merry Christmas Mr.Lawrence and Gohatto. Therefore, what you wrote doesn't extend a lie that anybody can make .

why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, created by Ryuichi Sakamoto and David Byrne, and Tan Dun, since you claimed that you know something about?
I have met Tan Dun, as well as Ryuichi Sakamoto, and spoke extensively to Sakamoto-san about his work with Oshima Nagisa as well as Bertolucci in film music. Tan Dun discussed with me about his music composition and stage presentations of his work, such as Turandot, and his 90's work Heaven, Earth, & Mankind (we spoke before he was signed on to work on the music to CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON). I find him passionate, and oozing with confidence. BUT THE MOST INTERESTING THING ABOUT TAN DUN THAT IS WORTH NOTING IS THAT HE NEVER MENTIONED ABOUT WORKING ON THE MUSIC TO THE LAST EMPEROR...

HAVE YOU GOTTEN CONFUSED BETWEEN TAN DUN and CONG SU? SO WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW THAT IS ACCURATE, INSTEAD OF JUST CONTINUING YOUR CONFUSED IMAGINATIONS?

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> I have met Tan Dun, as well as Ryuichi Sakamoto, and spoke extensively to Sakamoto-san about his work with Oshima Nagisa as well as Bertolucci in film music.

And what did you talk about? You know that just repeating "I met this famous person!" is a lie that anybody can make, while if you provided an insight on their works based on that conversation, then people finally can actually believe that you have met them.

Silly...

But then, maybe they were not at all impressed by yourself they just said "hello" very politely and never engaged in an meaningful conversation....

Just to make you jealous http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93689421&a mp;p=3#93689421

This is not made public yet so I don't know if it's true or not, but if it were true then Martin Scorsese must have been very impressed by this Toshi Fujiwara....

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why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, created by Ryuichi Sakamoto and David Byrne, and Tan Dun, since you claimed that you know something about?
As much as you try to pretend, it is clear as daylight you didn't even know TAN DUN was never involved with THE LAST EMPEROR.

You didn't even know the music to THE LAST EMPEROR was done by CONG SU, SAKAMOTO, and DAVID BYRNE

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So shifting again the subject of conversation since again another lie of yours would remain proven as a lie?

So what did you talk about with Ryuichi Sakamoto? What did he say about the creation of the music for this film? You pretending to know him has absolutely no value to be exposed in a public forum, you know, and with your past records of lies and innaccurate informations (like hallucinating on a non-existent government building...) destroying your credibility, nobody would believe your bluffing anyway.

Or maybe they were not at all impressed by yourself they just said "hello" very politely and never engaged in an meaningful conversation....

Just to make you jealous http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93689421&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=3#93689421

This is not made public yet so I don't know if it's true or not, but if it were true then Martin Scorsese must have been very impressed by this Toshi Fujiwara....


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So what did you talk about with Ryuichi Sakamoto? What did he say about the creation of the music for this film? You pretending to know him has absolutely no value to be exposed in a public forum, you know, and with your past records of lies and innaccurate informations (like hallucinating on a non-existent government building...) destroying your credibility, nobody would believe your bluffing anyway?
Just to give you an opportunity to learn a thing or two, Sakamoto is not big into conversations, at least when the conversation is in English [from the 3 occasions we spoke]. He spoke of Bertolucci in comparison to Oshima, which he didn't enjoy working with the former, partly because he felt Bertolucci didn't know what he wanted, and in my opinion, he seem to think more highly of Oshima Nagisa because his work experience with the japanese director was much earlier in his career by comparison. Sakamoto's opinion of Bertolucci seemed to have been rooted from their problems and differences in the work for SHELTERING SKIES, which Sakamoto was annoyed enough to have made sure the music he liked, which Bertolucci rejected, was used later as the driving force behind his album SWEET REVENGE, as well as the more experimental follow-up... I told him I liked SWEET REVENGE better, except for the tracks with the lead vocal to FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD... from time to time, his muse Norika would jump in, and we would also discuss visual elements to his performances, as well the way he incorporates non auditory elements in the making of his music.

Tan Dun, on the other hand, is very extroverted whether it is in Chinese, or English... especially when discussing his work. The one glitch with all the film music composers I have spoken to seem to be universal - they either discuss it with too much technical detail to the point where it becomes layman unfriendly - I ended up having to drop most of those bits from the segments i was producing for network television because the audience would have a difficult time grasping what they are trying to communicate within the duration of each interview, or they simply do a better job letting their music evoke meanings by the audience themselves. Philip Glass was the same way, but I felt Glass is the best of the 3 masters in communicating their ideas and concepts for the work they have created.

Above all that, Tan Dun is not one to let slip any of his achievements when given the opportunity. Sadly he doesn't have enough of a lunatic following membered by the likes of KONSUCK, who would be so confused as to give the man credit for work he didn't even create ... KONSUCK confused himself again in not being able to realize TAN DUN *NEVER* worked on THE LAST EMPEROR...

but the loser is now trying to side-step that glaring mistake he made -- sadly, this is just one small example of his psychotic episodes and lack of knowledge, yet he continues to argue on by posing as an expert on topics he hasn't a clue about

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> Just to give you an opportunity to learn a thing or two, Sakamoto is not big into conversations,

So you heard nothing substantial...which also means that you have nothing to prove that you have actually met him, hence you most probably have lied...

The rest you wrote are nothing more than commonly spreaded gossips, which by the way Sakamoto has publically denied, that there were no disagreements between him and Bertolucci on the music (while he plainly admitted that Bertolucci wanted him to commit Harakiri for the suicide of Amakasu, and he refused that, insisting on the historical fact that Amakasu committed suicide taking poison. They settled on the gun at the end).

Besides, if they disagreed, why Sakamoto did also the music for Little Buddha?

PS. The reason why most people don't believe in your bluffing is very simple; professionals working in the industry would certainly have second thoughts revealing their job on a public board, since that would involve a risk in their work. Only people with no important responsibility would do that.

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So what did you talk about with Ryuichi Sakamoto? What did he say about the creation of the music for this film? You pretending to know him has absolutely no value to be exposed in a public forum, you know, and with your past records of lies and innaccurate informations (like hallucinating on a non-existent government building...) destroying your credibility, nobody would believe your bluffing anyway?
Just to give you an opportunity to learn a thing or two, Sakamoto is not big into conversations, at least when the conversation is in English [from the 3 occasions we spoke]. He spoke of Bertolucci in comparison to Oshima, which he didn't enjoy working with the former, partly because he felt Bertolucci didn't know what he wanted, and in my opinion, he seem to think more highly of Oshima Nagisa because his work experience with the japanese director was much earlier in his career by comparison. Sakamoto's opinion of Bertolucci seemed to have been rooted from their problems and differences in the work for SHELTERING SKIES, which Sakamoto was annoyed enough to have made sure the music he liked, which Bertolucci rejected, was used later as the driving force behind his album SWEET REVENGE, as well as the more experimental follow-up... I told him I liked SWEET REVENGE better, except for the tracks with the lead vocal to FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD... from time to time, his muse Norika would jump in, and we would also discuss visual elements to his performances, as well the way he incorporates non auditory elements in the making of his music.

Tan Dun, on the other hand, is very extroverted whether it is in Chinese, or English... especially when discussing his work. The one glitch with all the film music composers I have spoken to seem to be universal - they either discuss it with too much technical detail to the point where it becomes layman unfriendly - I ended up having to drop most of those bits from the segments i was producing for network television because the audience would have a difficult time grasping what they are trying to communicate within the duration of each interview, or they simply do a better job letting their music evoke meanings by the audience themselves. Philip Glass was the same way, but I felt Glass is the best of the 3 masters in communicating their ideas and concepts for the work they have created.

Above all that, Tan Dun is not one to let slip any of his achievements when given the opportunity. Sadly he doesn't have enough of a lunatic following membered by the likes of KONSUCK, who would be so confused as to give the man credit for work he didn't even create ... KONSUCK confused himself again in not being able to realize TAN DUN *NEVER* worked on THE LAST EMPEROR...

but the loser is now trying to side-step that glaring mistake he made -- sadly, this is just one small example of his psychotic episodes and lack of knowledge, yet he continues to argue on by posing as an expert on topics he hasn't a clue about By acknowledging the fact I work in the entertainment industry, I have never claimed to know more than the average film-goer on EVERY topic related to films, but sady you tried to challenge me on subjects which clearly point out you haven't a clue [which happened to be topics I know more than you]. You then digress the discussion into a question of my identity, which I never even tried to bring into any part of the debate. The bottomline is, you wanted proof, I provided it... you had no clue, no rebuttal, so you just brought on more tangents as a desperate measure to cover up your stupidity... which only worked for you, and no one else

Again, adding more insult to his injury...
The rest you wrote are nothing more than commonly spreaded gossips, which by the way Sakamoto has publically denied, that there were disagreements between him and Bertolucci on the music (while he plainly admitted that Bertolucci wanted him to commit Harakiri for the suicide of Amakasu, and he refused that, insisting on the historical fact that Amakasu committed suicide taking poison. They settled on the gun at the end).
Whatever you're trying to digress the discussion into, why not face the music by answering the below?

WHAT ABOUT TAN DUN'S WORK ON THE LAST EMPEROR?

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> So what film are you talking about now? Do you mean Oshima, or Bertolucci?

This proves very well that you actually haven't even seen The Last Emperor, in which Ryuichi Sakamoto also played the role of the legendary former colonel of Japanese army and president of the Manchurian film studios, Masahiko Amakasu. And in the film, Amakasu committs suicide with a pistol, while historically it was by using cyanide, and in the screenpaly it was a harakiri, which Sakamoto refused.

So what kind of insightful conversation you could have without even having seen the film (not even to mention what the hell you are doing on this board...).

PS. The reason why most people don't believe in your bluffing is very simple; professionals working in the industry would certainly have second thoughts revealing their job on a public board, since that would involve a risk in their work. Only people with no important responsibility would do that.

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So what did you talk about with Ryuichi Sakamoto? What did he say about the creation of the music for this film? You pretending to know him has absolutely no value to be exposed in a public forum, you know, and with your past records of lies and innaccurate informations (like hallucinating on a non-existent government building...) destroying your credibility, nobody would believe your bluffing anyway?
Just to give you an opportunity to learn a thing or two, Sakamoto is not big into conversations, at least when the conversation is in English [from the 3 occasions we spoke]. He spoke of Bertolucci in comparison to Oshima, which he didn't enjoy working with the former, partly because he felt Bertolucci didn't know what he wanted, and in my opinion, he seem to think more highly of Oshima Nagisa because his work experience with the japanese director was much earlier in his career by comparison. Sakamoto's opinion of Bertolucci seemed to have been rooted from their problems and differences in the work for SHELTERING SKIES, which Sakamoto was annoyed enough to have made sure the music he liked, which Bertolucci rejected, was used later as the driving force behind his album SWEET REVENGE, as well as the more experimental follow-up... I told him I liked SWEET REVENGE better, except for the tracks with the lead vocal to FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD... from time to time, his muse Norika would jump in, and we would also discuss visual elements to his performances, as well the way he incorporates non auditory elements in the making of his music.

Tan Dun, on the other hand, is very extroverted whether it is in Chinese, or English... especially when discussing his work. The one glitch with all the film music composers I have spoken to seem to be universal - they either discuss it with too much technical detail to the point where it becomes layman unfriendly - I ended up having to drop most of those bits from the segments i was producing for network television because the audience would have a difficult time grasping what they are trying to communicate within the duration of each interview, or they simply do a better job letting their music evoke meanings by the audience themselves. Philip Glass was the same way, but I felt Glass is the best of the 3 masters in communicating their ideas and concepts for the work they have created.

Above all that, Tan Dun is not one to let slip any of his achievements when given the opportunity. Sadly he doesn't have enough of a lunatic following membered by the likes of KONSUCK, who would be so confused as to give the man credit for work he didn't even create ... KONSUCK confused himself again in not being able to realize TAN DUN *NEVER* worked on THE LAST EMPEROR...

but the loser is now trying to side-step that glaring mistake he made -- sadly, this is just one small example of his psychotic episodes and lack of knowledge, yet he continues to argue on by posing as an expert on topics he hasn't a clue about By acknowledging the fact I work in the entertainment industry, I have never claimed to know more than the average film-goer on EVERY topic related to films, but sady you tried to challenge me on subjects which clearly point out you haven't a clue [which happened to be topics I know more than you]. You then digress the discussion into a question of my identity, which I never even tried to bring into any part of the debate. The bottomline is, you wanted proof, I provided it... you had no clue, no rebuttal, so you just brought on more tangents as a desperate measure to cover up your stupidity... which only worked for you, and no one else

Again, adding more insult to his injury...
The rest you wrote are nothing more than commonly spreaded gossips, which by the way Sakamoto has publically denied, that there were disagreements between him and Bertolucci on the music (while he plainly admitted that Bertolucci wanted him to commit Harakiri for the suicide of Amakasu, and he refused that, insisting on the historical fact that Amakasu committed suicide taking poison. They settled on the gun at the end).
Whatever you're trying to digress the discussion into, why not face the music by answering the below?

WHAT ABOUT TAN DUN'S WORK ON THE LAST EMPEROR?

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Why you are spaming this board with the same message that you have already posted? Are you a troll?

Anyway, a good proof that you have been lying all the time... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93755604&a mp;p=5#93755604

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why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, created by Ryuichi Sakamoto and David Byrne, and Tan Dun, since you claimed that you know something about?

Why you are spaming this board with the same message that you have already posted? Are you a troll?
Nope, just answer the question

WHAT PART OF THE LAST EMPEROR DID TAN DUN WORK ON? As you vehemently insist to give him credit for the music to the Bertolucci film

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/71513993?d=latest&amp ; ;t=20071225071805#latest

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So instead of trying to prove that you actually have met Ryuichi Sakamoto (now quite undoubtedly one of your lies), all you can do is just harping on a minor mistake of others...

While Mr. Film Indstry didn't even know that Sakamoto, playing colonel Amakasu, commits suicide in The Last Emperor with... what instrument? This is a quiz. Maybe you should ask Sakamoto how he died in the movie , in case you really had a conversation with him--which nobody can believe now.

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While Mr. Film Indstry didn't even know that Sakamoto, playing colonel Amakasu, commits suicide in The Last Emperor with... what instrument?
The discussion is on the music to THE LAST EMPEROR. I never discussed trivial matters [such as what instruments he was asked to use as a prop to commit ritual suicide] with Sakamoto-san, as that drops the level of discussion to the likes of what goes on in a Star Trek convention... acting was never a strength Ryuichi Sakamoto likes to discuss, and in my opinion, it's better that way because the man's talent lies not in acting. As to your glaring mistake -- not a minor one, but a huge mistake for someone who so proudly proclaims expertise on THE LAST EMPEROR -- You asked, I answered in detail... what else do you need. I also have photos with Sakamoto-san. Would that help? But showing you photos never seem to keep you from ranting lies for long...
why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, created by Ryuichi Sakamoto and David Byrne, and Tan Dun, since you claimed that you know something about?

Why you are spaming this board with the same message that you have already posted? Are you a troll?
Nope, just answer the question

WHAT PART OF THE LAST EMPEROR DID TAN DUN WORK ON? As you vehemently insist to give him credit for the music to the Bertolucci film

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So now you call the death of one of the main character of the film a "trivial matter"? No wonder, since you haven't even seen the film The Last Emperor...

why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, created by Ryuichi Sakamoto and David Byrne, and Tan Dun, since you claimed that you know something about?

Why you are spaming this board with the same message that you have already posted? Are you a troll?


Nope, just trying to learn from you on what part Tan Dun worked on for Bertolucci in making THE LAST EMPEROR
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93755171&a mp;a mp;p=5#93755171

And let's not forget your even more lunatic arguments on THE DEPARTED's botched scene http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93748336&a mp;p=4#93748336

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Pfff....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?p=5&d=93 757480#93757480

And what happened to the contents of your supposed conversation with Mr. Sakamoto about... a film that you haven't even seen? I mean, if you had, then of course you must know that Amakasu (Sakamoto) commits suicide...

And why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, since you say you had not once but several conversation with the composer of... a film that you haven't even seen, and yet the music for that film was the subject of your conversations? Quite odd, hmm....

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And why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, since you say you had not once but several conversation with the composer of... a film that you haven't even seen, and yet the music for that film was the subject of your conversations? Quite odd, hmm....
THE LAST EMPEROR is not a film that impresses me except for being one of the earlier non-chinese films that were able to make use of the locale for production. The visuals are amazing, but just the fact they had the actors deliver lines in English, it already makes it more challenging to accept... just as the lesser film MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA had problems with [aside from being a piece of crap]. If Oliver Stone was able to make YEAR OF THE DRAGON by insisting chinese lines be spoken in Chinese, it is difficult for me to understand why Bertolucci would even accept that kind of flaw to be included in THE LAST EMPEROR.

As to the music, it's not my favorite of Sakamoto's work. I still prefer the work he did with Oshima Nagisa, and even later work with Ryu Murakami, and for the film TONY TAKITANI. The collaboration with David Byrne and Cong Su is innovative from a non-Chinese perspective, but if you have listened to work such as BUTTERFLY LOVERS, it seemed to show less of a collaboration between the three to their fullest abilities, but more an average of their efforts that could have benefited from more spontaneity on the part of Byrne and Cong SU -- Sakamoto's music, especially in the last 15 years, have in my opinion become more mathmatical and just as his live performances, they don't allow as much spontaneity as his talent should be able to demonstrate. In fact, if you have listened to most of the last 10 albums, [aside from his Bossa Nova collaborations], he hasn't brought a lot of new ideas to the table except for his passion for experimentation with sound-design. His work on music for advertisements have been the main tentpole that maintains his reputation in the last 10 years. Whether it is his work on the GUT label, or other visual-accompanied performances through his NYC base KAB, his work has become less and less accessible to his fan-base that began with his YMO days... yet his music for tv commercials seem to have more a connection to his fanbase than all his other work. That said, I do like his work with Bossa Nova artists, and his 1996 album is probably the best tribute to his past work as the strings/acoustic interpretation to his past work on film music yields a much more spontaneious feel to both his live performance as well as the compiled tracks on the album. To the japanese audience, maybe they would be impressed with his work on ZERO LANDMINE, but to the English-speaking audience, the contrived lyrics just doesn't translate, and the meaning is lost by trying to make the words more accessible to the Western audience. It would have been better to just let the music evoke the emotions.

For the music to THE LAST EMPEROR, I guess I'm just not as impressed as you are -- maybe if I am able to listen to the lost tracks composed by TAN DUN, I would be more inspired to think otherwise

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> THE LAST EMPEROR is not a film that impresses me

Then what is the purpose of your coming here other than being a typical troll and a net-stalker?

But then, how can you be "impressed" at the first place since you haven't even seen it?

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> THE LAST EMPEROR is not a film that impresses me

Then what is the purpose of your coming here other than being a typical troll and a net-stalker?
To expose your lies and fabrications so others don't have to feel bad about stating their opinions on the film because you DON'T KNOW MORE than anyone else, as you have proved time and time again.
And why don't you post some valuable knowledge about the music of The Last Emperor, since you say you had not once but several conversation with the composer of... a film that you haven't even seen, and yet the music for that film was the subject of your conversations? Quite odd, hmm....
THE LAST EMPEROR is not a film that impresses me except for being one of the earlier non-chinese films that were able to make use of the locale for production. The visuals are amazing, but just the fact they had the actors deliver lines in English, it already makes it more challenging to accept... just as the lesser film MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA had problems with [aside from being a piece of crap]. If Oliver Stone was able to make YEAR OF THE DRAGON by insisting chinese lines be spoken in Chinese [by actors who actually know the language], it is difficult for me to understand why Bertolucci would even accept that kind of flaw to be included in THE LAST EMPEROR.

As to the music, it's not my favorite of Sakamoto's work. I still prefer the work he did with Oshima Nagisa, and even later work with Ryu Murakami, and for the film TONY TAKITANI. The collaboration with David Byrne and Cong Su is innovative from a non-Chinese perspective, but if you have listened to work such as BUTTERFLY LOVERS, it seemed to show less of a collaboration between the three to their fullest abilities, but more inspiration from a genre of music lesser-known to Western audiences, as well as being an average of their efforts that could have benefited from more spontaneity on the part of Byrne and Cong SU -- Sakamoto's music, especially in the last 15 years, have in my opinion become more mathmatical and just as his live performances, they don't allow as much spontaneity as his talent should be able to demonstrate. In fact, if you have listened to most of the last 10 albums, [aside from his Bossa Nova collaborations], he hasn't brought a lot of new ideas to the table except for his passion for experimentation with sound-design. His work on music for advertisements have been the main tentpole that maintains his reputation in the last 10 years. Whether it is his work on the GUT label, or other visual-accompanied performances through his NYC base KAB, his work has become less and less accessible to his fan-base that began with his YMO days... yet his music for tv commercials seem to have more a connection to his fanbase than all his other work. That said, I do like his work with Bossa Nova artists, and his 1996 album is probably the best tribute to his past work as the strings/acoustic interpretation to his past work on film music yields a much more spontaneious feel to both his live performance as well as the compiled tracks on the album. To the japanese audience, maybe they would be impressed with his work on ZERO LANDMINE, but to the English-speaking audience, the contrived lyrics just doesn't translate, and the meaning is lost by trying to make the words more accessible to the Western audience. It would have been better to just let the music evoke the emotions.

For the music to THE LAST EMPEROR, I guess I'm just not as impressed as you are -- maybe if I am able to listen to the lost tracks composed by TAN DUN, I would be more inspired to think otherwise I think by showing you didn't even know who composed the music to the film, what I wrote above serve to provide infinitely more relevance and insight into the work of Sakamoto in relation to THE LAST EMPEROR

I can also expect you to lift what knowledge you learned from reading my posts and then rant to others as if they're part of what you knew already

END YOURSELF, LOSER

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So again spaming the board with the same message, in a desperate efforts to hide that you lied about meeting Sakamoto and have discussed his collaboration with Bertolucci?

Why you have to continue this silly behavior? IMBD is not a playground for stalker trolls like yourself, you know?

But how would you dare to come on The Last Emperor board without even seeing the film, therefore not even knowing that Sakamoto was also an actor in the film and played a crucial character who commits suicide, still pretend having a conversation regarding this film, and post that glaring lie on this board? Are you totally insane or something?

> what I wrote above serve to provide infinitely more relevance and insight into the work of Sakamoto in relation to THE LAST EMPEROR

How listing up his discography that is public (and a very partial one that all his fun would laugh at...) can provide any "insight" is beyond any sane person's understanding, amen. You don't need to talk with the guy to write what you wrote. And how can you have any relevance since YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE FILM???

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So again spaming the board with the same message, in a desperate efforts to hide that you lied about meeting Sakamoto and have discussed his collaboration with Bertolucci?

Why you have to continue this silly behavior? IMBD is not a playground for stalker trolls like yourself, you know?
Just to remind you to provide an answer to the question: HOW DID TAN DUN WORK ON BERTOLUCCI'S FILM THE LAST EMPEROR? Was he an extra, or an assistant to CONG SU, the Chinese composer who worked with Sakamoto and David Byrne (where you insisted it was TAN DUN instead)

In discussing the music to THE LAST EMPEROR, what have you to provide that you know more than anyone, when you haven't even listened to the type of Chinese music that the composers showed obvious inspiration from (e.g. BUTTERFLY LOVERS)?

You bring on more tangents upon digressions as if you know what you are talking about, when in reality it only shows more of your ignorance and stupidity.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO ENLIGHTEN US BY LETTING US KNOW WHAT MUSIC TAN DUN COMPOSED FOR THE LAST EMPEROR -- face the music, LOSER

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> Just to remind you to provide an answer to the question: HOW DID TAN DUN WORK ON BERTOLUCCI'S FILM THE LAST EMPEROR?

Pffff....http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93757480&a mp;a mp;a mp;p=5#93757480

...why you are so childish?

> In discussing the music to THE LAST EMPEROR,

Don't shift the responsibility. That is what you are supposed to do since you pretend having talked with Sakamoto, and not me. And somehow, you have been totally unable to write something that reflects your experience of actually having talked with him--there fore, the logical conclusion is that you lied and bluffed.

Please stop this ridiculous behavior. Grow up. And yeah, watch at least the film The Last Emperor before coming here.

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Would anyone who professes expertise on Bertolucci make that kind of mistake, as you have - insisting TAN DUN composed the music to THE LAST EMPEROR, instead of CONG SU... and when you realized you made that glaring stupid mistake, instead of admitting it, you digress into multiple irrelevant topics trying to hide the fact you are not the expert you claim to be?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93755760&a mp;a mp;a mp;p=5#93755760
Furthermore, when you challenge me by stating I have not met Ryuichi Sakamoto, I simply provide proof by providing information on the conversations I have had with the composer, as well as my thoughts on his work based on my knowledge of his music and the discussions I have had with him. You not only show more stupidity, but exude undeserved arrogance by ranting nonsense and ignoring facts you weren't even aware of when you harp on trivial details to THE LAST EMPEROR.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93759460&a mp;a mp;p=5#93759460

If you don't know as much as others, why not just shut up and let people think you are an idiot, instead of rant nonsense 24/7 and confirming you are a bigger fool than what others could imagine?

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> Would anyone who professes expertise on Bertolucci make that kind of mistake

Who has ever professed expertise on Bertolucci? Again your self-projection?

> and when you realized you made that glaring stupid mistake

What? Just a minor mistake on the name of the three composers, and nothing to compare with NOT KNOWING THAT ONE OF THE MAJOR CHARACTERS IN THE FILM COMMITS SUICIDE... Pffff....

> Furthermore, when you challenge me by stating I have not met Ryuichi Sakamoto,

Well, since nothing indicates that you actually have met him, apart from you saying you did... All you can say about Sakamoto is what you can google search in English, that's all...

And you bluffing that you met him...I mean...WHO CARES? If having met him enables you to write interesting insights about the artist and his works, that would be nice, and I've been waiting for something like that for the sake of IMDB, but all you could write was an unconfirmed gossip that Sakamoto himself plainly denied, also denied by his further collaboration with Bertolucci on Little Buddha, and a very vulgar gossip if you ask me, nothing to do with anything creative.

While you don't have to meet Sakamoto to know that he fine-tuned electronically the piece called "Rain" so that the speed match the action on screen, and things like that. Oh but then you certainly have no idea what I mean by this, since... you haven't seen the movie, so you also don't know that one of the major characters in the film has a divorce.

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> and when you realized you made that glaring stupid mistake

What? Just a minor mistake on the name of the three composers
If you can't even identify the work to its creator, what qualifies you to comment? So where are the lost music to THE LAST EMPEROR Tan Dun composed, loser?
If having met him enables you to write interesting insights about the artist and his works, that would be nice, and I've been waiting for something like that, but all you could write was an unconfirmed gossip that Sakamoto himself plainly denied, also denied by his further collaboration with Bertolucci on Little Buddha, and a very vulgar gossip if you ask me, nothing to do with anything creative.

While you don't have to meet Sakamoto to know that he fine-tuned electronically the piece called "Rain" so that the speed match the action on screen, and things like that.
How profound - "and things like that"... I guess you are even less competent than I'd realized... you spent hours trying to find proof so you can debunk my post about Sakamoto - to show I simply copied from other websites... but you failed. Know why? Because they are not the same kind of lies as you've tried to push as fact to others - you know so little it is laughable that you even try to convince others to believe you know the difference between fact and imagination -- wait, that's always been the case with you

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> If you can't even identify the work to its creator,

Just a name, so? And you are trying to capitalize a fake argument on a mere minor mistake to hide the fact that you cannot provide anything convincing to make people believe that you actually have met Ryuichi Sakamoto. And even if you have met him, SO WHAT? Since you haven't learned anything from the man about his works, that is totally stupid and pretentious.

> what qualifies you to comment?

Well, when you haven't even seen the work... I mean, you ignore even the basic plot of a film and you pretend to preach something about it? That is called stupidly arrogant.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION: Ryuichi Sakamoto plays the role of colonel Masahiko Amakasu, who commits suicide... actually a quiz: when does he commits suicide? It's very easy, and you can answer that even if you haven't seen the film, since to guess that you simply need to have some commonsense on history.

> you spent hours trying to find proof so you can debunk my post about Sakamoto

What? I am merely pointing out that there's no proofs in what you pretend in your posts. It is for you to prove, and you haven't done anything effective. That is all.

How silly you are... I mean, you started to make posts on this board for... what? Just a result of stalking on the IMDB boards. That's silly...

> to show I simply copied from other websites... but you failed.

What have I failed? Oh, please don't make another lie, not again! All you wrote are things that can easily be found on the internet, and nothing to bluff about "personally meeting him."

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Just a name, so? And you are trying to capitalize a fake argument on a mere minor mistake to hide the fact that you cannot provide anything convincing to make people believe that you actually have met Ryuichi Sakamoto.
Yes, it's just a name. If someone professed to be a fanboy of Scorsese or Bertolucci, and cannot even tell the difference between films they'd worked or, OR NOT, does that lend credibility to any subsequent claims they make? I think not.

You haven't a clue on many subjects, but still try to pose as an expert to make bold statements on what you are completely ignorant of - from Chinese language, to even the music to a film you so highly praise You're a bigger joke than you were 20 posts ago -- you really should have taken your medication, OR do a little more research before you try to enter a discussion about topics you only know surface information of.
What have I failed? Oh, please don't make another lie, not again! All you wrote are things that can easily be found on the internet, and nothing to bluff about "personally meeting him."
Please show us the links to the resources you claim so widely available on the internet. Please do.

So where is the music from THE LAST EMPEROR Tan Dun composed?

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> Yes, it's just a name. If someone professed to be a fanboy of Scorsese or Bertolucc

Who did that? One of your self-projection-oriented hallucinations again?

Why you need to continue this stupid personal feud. You know damn well your credibility was destroyed completely again, as it always happen.

> rom Chinese language, to even the music to a film you so highly praise

I know much better than you do, like I know that Amakasu (Ryuichi Sakamoto) commits suicide in this film--nothing to bluff about, since all you need to do is to watch the film . What is more important in talking about films than just memorizing names and bluffing on "knowledge"? Of course, to have seen the film, and have enjoyed it. You don't even understand such simple thing, that is why you can only be an arrogant pretentious loser, often called "cinematic illiterate."

Oh, and speaking of language, do you need to be reminded about your chiken Japanese? And now that you believe that I am a Japanese filmmaker (whom you called amatuer, but doesn't change the fact that the film that again you haven't seen was quite well recieved in many first-rate festivals that you never get invited), you should have understood that you made a huge mistake pretending to be an authority on...a language that you don't even know...

And what happened to your deeply insightful posts about Ryuichi Sakamoto's music for The Last Emperor, since you bluff about having met him and talked about that?

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I know much better than you do, like I know that Amakasu (Ryuichi Sakamoto) commits suicide in this film--nothing to bluff about, since all you need to do is to watch the film . What is more important in talking about films than just memorizing names and bluffing on "knowledge"?
Wow, great insight and behind-the-scenes information that requires one to view a movie to find out While I've simply stated I am not as impressed with the film, with reasons why, and then you went on to accuse me of fabricating the information on Sakamoto and his thoughts on collaborations with Bertolucci. You then went on to cite more nonsense including the profound insight on Sakamoto's music "and things like that"
You know damn well your credibility was destroyed completely again, as it always happen.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93755760&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=5#93755760

Furthermore, when you challenge me by stating I have not met Ryuichi Sakamoto, I simply provide proof by providing information on the conversations I have had with the composer, as well as my thoughts on his work based on my knowledge of his music and the discussions I have had with him. You not only show more stupidity, but exude undeserved arrogance by ranting nonsense and ignoring facts you weren't even aware of when you harp on trivial details to THE LAST EMPEROR.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93759460&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=5#93759460

By claiming understanding to a botched scene in THE DEPARTED which showed poor writing and anachronistic performances and dialogue, you provided tangents that only show your stupidity; by arguing that TAN DUN worked on the music to THE LAST EMPEROR, you prove psychosis... denying all your bold claims filled with errors and lies, you simply deserve only jeers and pity -- all attributes that got your account deleted months ago.

Yet your purpose in life depends on your ability to bark 24/7 on IMDB, so you just can't help yourself. You have no life except for the one you leech onto your parents' pension to sustain... that and IMDB are you only proof of existence on this earth -- for anyone else, they would have ended themselves for the betterment of their self-esteem or dignity, which obviously in this case proves that you have neither
And now that you believe that I am a Japanese filmmaker
As to your laughably bad work, I never thought of you as a "filmmaker" - try amateur home-video-maker wannabee who couldn't edit to save your life - that is more appropriate a description of you.

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> While I've simply stated I am not as impressed with the film

How can you be when you haven't seen it?

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I must have watched THE LAST EMPEROR at least a good 10 times - first on the big screen, and then later on HBO (which was more due to coincidence as I just had it on while I was working on my final year thesis). It was in fact the last time I saw a film together with my late grand-father, who was greatly disappointed with how the film distorts history in typical cinema fashion. I'm not impressed by it, neither do I think much of SHELTERING SKIES, or Bertolucci's DREAMERS... In my opinion, THE LAST EMPEROR is ambitious, but ends up being Bertolucci's attempt on a period film similar to what BLACK RAIN (1989) was to the Yakuza-eiga - they remain an outsiders point-of-view that is filled with Western propaganda and stereotypes. While it was the last good role John Lone was cast to play, and one of Peter O'Toole's better performances in the beginning of his winter years [after his great work in MY FAVORITE YEAR, that is], it is not impressive to me. Sakamoto's performance is surprisingly mentioned by you to a great extent, but to me his was one of the lesser performances in the film - the man belongs with music, not in acting - that's quite obvious from his performance in MERRY CHRISTMAS, MR. LAWRENCE, which relegated Sakamoto and David Bowie to the level of support roles compared to what Beat Takeshi and Tom Conti were able to deliver... I'm still amused at the way Oshima allowed Sakamoto to keep the same stagey make-up seen on his album cover artwork during that era. He should have never allowed that kind of anachronism to be included in the film.

I know much better than you do, like I know that Amakasu (Ryuichi Sakamoto) commits suicide in this film--nothing to bluff about, since all you need to do is to watch the film . What is more important in talking about films than just memorizing names and bluffing on "knowledge"?
Wow, great insight and behind-the-scenes information that requires one to view a movie to find out While I've simply stated I am not as impressed with the film, with reasons why, and then you went on to accuse me of fabricating the information on Sakamoto and his thoughts on collaborations with Bertolucci. You then went on to cite more nonsense including the profound insight on Sakamoto's music "and things like that"
You know damn well your credibility was destroyed completely again, as it always happen.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93755760&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=5#93755760

Furthermore, when you challenge me by stating I have not met Ryuichi Sakamoto, I simply provide proof by providing information on the conversations I have had with the composer, as well as my thoughts on his work based on my knowledge of his music and the discussions I have had with him. You not only show more stupidity, but exude undeserved arrogance by ranting nonsense and ignoring facts you weren't even aware of when you harp on trivial details to THE LAST EMPEROR.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93759460&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=5#93759460

By claiming understanding to a botched scene in THE DEPARTED which showed poor writing and anachronistic performances and dialogue, you provided tangents that only show your stupidity; by arguing that TAN DUN worked on the music to THE LAST EMPEROR, you prove psychosis... denying all your bold claims filled with errors and lies, you simply deserve only jeers and pity -- all attributes that got your account deleted months ago.

Yet your purpose in life depends on your ability to bark 24/7 on IMDB, so you just can't help yourself. You have no life except for the one you leech onto your parents' pension to sustain... that and IMDB are you only proof of existence on this earth -- for anyone else, they would have ended themselves for the betterment of their self-esteem or dignity, which obviously in this case proves that you have neither

So where are the links to the resourceful websites that provide insightful information about Sakamoto and his work, to which I copied from?

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but it's The Sheltering Sky, not "skies. And no wonder a cinematic illiterate would never understand the sensual subtleties of a film like that.
Yes, that is my mistake... but by far trivial compared to your stupid self who thinks TAN DUN composed the music to THE LAST EMPEROR
Hilarious! So you watch a film that you were not impressed for 10 times, and with a film that you have watched 10 times, you don't even recall how one of the main character dies. How silly. As I said to some other poster on this thread, why you waste your own precious time like that? Not to forget that The Last Emperor is a very long film.
I am laughing my head off from your stupid writing here... read it again LOSER, and see how stupid you actually sound in writing You must be the type of idiot fanboy who would spend hours studying door numbers or license plates [in your favorite scenes] to films you like, as well as counting how many buttons are on the lead characters' clothing... THE LAST EMPEROR was released how long ago? If I'm not impressed by it, would I keep watching it a decade after I last saw it on HBO?
So in conclusion, you went to see Ryuichi Sakamoto and talked about a film that you were not impressed, and you waste your time on IMDB to post your silly opinions on a board about a film that you were not impressed, just to stalk someone that demolished your arrogant ego, and posted so many messages for...what? That fits the definition of a stupid troll, I suppose.
Yep, and we also talked about several of the albums and performances he was working on. I'm more impressed with his work on music than his attempts as an actor, so we naturally don't have much to discuss with that topic. He is a private man, but opens up more when discussing his music and inspirations... So again, where are the links to the websites to which I lifted information about Sakamoto from? You further prove your lack of knowledge and credibility with each subsequent post you make


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93766305&a mp;a mp;a mp;p=6#93766305

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> Yes, that is my mistake... but by far trivial compared to your stupid self who thinks TAN DUN composed the music to THE LAST EMPEROR

Errr... I think mistaking the title of a film is a far graver error than mistaking some composers... Sorry for your nationalistic sentiment, but my mistake is nothing more than confusing Dimitri Tiomkin and Max Steiner, which is something many people do (for a reason you obviously totally ignore... the style of the music is very similar), but I agree, less than forgetting the death of one of the main characters of a film that you saw 10 times .

> I am laughing my head off from your stupid writing here... read it again

I would even copy paste it for you to read:


Hilarious! So you watch a film that you were not impressed for 10 times, and with a film that you have watched 10 times, you don't even recall how one of the main character dies. How silly. As I said to some other poster on this thread, why you waste your own precious time like that? Not to forget that The Last Emperor is a very long film.


...since it contains a valuable lesson to you: if a film is too intelligent for you to understand, there are only two things to do. One: try to become more intelligent. Two: since you don't care about it, forget it.

> Yep,

Which obviously is a lie... Or you were an annoying fool. Good that Mr. Sakamoto was polite enough not to be angry...

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Errr... I think mistaking the title of a film is a far graver error than mistaking some composers... Sorry for your nationalistic sentiment, but my mistake is nothing more than confusing Dimitri Tiomkin and Max Steiner, which is something many people do (for a reason you obviously totally ignore... the style of the music is very similar), but I agree, less than forgetting the death of one of the main characters of a film that you saw 10 times
I think not, that kind of lunatic logic only exists in your pathetic little psychotic world. Not knowing the composer to music you like is as ignorant to not recognizing the director to a film you praise - accept your ignorance as a fact, LOSER

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93766305&a mp;a mp;p=6#93766305

So where are the links to the websites to which I copied Sakamoto information from?

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> I think not, that kind of lunatic logic only exists in your pathetic little psychotic world.

I think your obsession on the name of a composer can exist only in your pathetic little psychotic world... While forgetting how one of the main characters of a film that you saw 10 times meets his end...? Please don't lie. Just admit that you haven't seen it.

And the stupidity of stalking someone on IMDB, being glued to a thread solely for the sake of annoying someone that you stalk is a good example of your pathetic little psychotic world.

And what happened to the creative insight about Sakamoto-Bertolucci collaboration that you were supposed to provide? It looks like I did far more (though just two anecdotes...), though I never pretend having met Mr. Sakamoto...

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I think your obsession on the name of a composer can exist only in your pathetic little psychotic world... While forgetting how one of the main characters of a film that you saw 10 times meets his end...? Please don't lie. Just admit that you haven't seen it.
Right, giving credit to a composer for work he didn't do on a film you so highly praise for its music is a trivial matter? No one even needs to watch THE LAST EMPEROR to know how Sakamoto's character died, but you seem to think so highly of the scene that it remains the highlight of the movie to you? Wow, while others may discuss how Joan Chen's talent was hamstrung by having to deliver her lines in English, you harp on trivia that's not even one of the better performances in the film? All that work that only serve to cover up your glaring ignorance about TAN DUN's work, or not, on THE LAST EMPEROR?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93766305&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=6#93766305
So where are the links to websites about Ryuichi Sakamoto I copied from to provide insight to his work? Better yet, when are you going to make your lame declaration of "I'm putting you on my IGNORE LIST!" LOSER

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> Right, giving credit to a composer for work he didn't do on a film you so highly praise for its music is a trivial matter?

Since it's only a minor mistake... Even trivial, compared to one of the essences of the story of the film (and in the life of Pu-Yi) in which Sakamoto as colonel Amakasu occupies a central role (well, that's entirely fictional, though)...

> No one even needs to watch THE LAST EMPEROR to know how Sakamoto's character died,

You don't "need" to, as if you watch the movie, you automatically know. But you didn't, so...

> but you seem to think so highly of the scene that it remains the highlight of the movie to you?

Errr... Since it's part of the august 1945 scene... I hope you have enough commonsense to understand what "august 1945" means...

> Wow, while others may discuss how Joan Chen's talent was hamstrung by having to deliver her lines in English,

These "others" must be blind, a cinematic illiterate like yourself; she actually had spoken perfect English in this film that you haven't seen, and especially her last scene was extremely poignant and disturbing--so strong you see several threads about that on this board.

> you harp on trivia that's not even one of the better performances in the film?

Errr... So you clearly haven't seen the film, nor understand the subject matter, nor who Pu-Yi was, nor never hearing of Manchurian puppet empire...

Well, the role of Amakasu in the film is way over-exaggerated in the film, in history he was just the president of a propaganda film studio, but in the film that you are supposed to have seen 10 times, Amakasu is the master-mind of the Japanese imperialism... Of course it's not historically true at all, but even if his English may be too accented, his delivery of the speech that effectively condense the central idea of the Japanese Imperialism was pretty astonishing. Seems like Sakamoto had a hard time not to laugh doing that scene, but that doesn't appear in his cool performance.

So getting back to the point, his death is in no way "trivial," since it signifies the death of the Japanese Imperialism that manipulated Pu Yi and destroyed his life... If you saw the film 10 times and still didn't get it, you must be a total idiot...

But then, you didn't see it so you thought it was only about the last emperor of China. Well, his role in the China-Japanese war was pretty important, and the Manchurian portion is very important in this film, too.

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Since it's only a minor mistake... Even trivial, compared to one of the essences of the story of the film (and in the life of Pu-Yi) in which Sakamoto as colonel Amakasu occupies a central role (well, that's entirely fictional, though)...
Right, not realizing the person you praise for his work on the music to THE LAST EMPEROR WHEN IN FACT HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FILM is trivial, along with not realizing how much better Joan Chen's performances are when she is given the opportunity to deliver lines in Chinese... The movie should have been made in the language that fit the context, rather than a Western interpretation of history that distorts from the truth with fabrications. If Hollywood remade CHUSHINGURA, and have Japanese actors read their lines in English, would it seem authentic to you? If you don't even recognize that, you lower yourself even further with every post, revealing yourself to be an even bigger idiot than everyone already knows you to be.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93766305&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=6#93766305

And what happened to your expertise on Chinese gangsters and the chinese langauge? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93748336&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;p=4#93748336

Why are you evading from arguments you have raised, yet could not provide any support more than irrelevant trivia about your parents who live in shame?

So where are the links to the posts I copied information about Sakamoto from? LOSER

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> The movie should have been made in the language that fit the context, rather than a Western interpretation of history that distorts from the truth with fabrications.

Why? It's a movie, a vision of an artist inspired by historical facts.
While you rant nonsense about SCHINDLER'S LIST being historically inaccurate to the point of being offensive, you ignore the fact that THE LAST EMPEROR was the first film that gave hope to a generation of survivors to decades of hardship under chaotic regimes and war - hope that history as they know it would be revealed. If you had a clue at all how much disappointment this film brought to all Chinese viewers who actually lived through the Cultural Revolution and Japanese occupation, you wouldn't be writing the nonsense you have tried to push as support to prove THE LAST EMPEROR is a great film.

You are an idiot, as well as a lunatic - you have proven that and sealed it with your psychotic stamp AGAIN & AGAIN with every post you have made, LOSER

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Why? When it was going to be a film about the Emperor? Sorry but these people, if they existed, must be stupid. Plus, don't let an Italian communist to do that, it's the obligation of the Chinese people themselves to make such film.

> If you had a clue at all how much disappointment this film brought to all Chinese viewers who actually lived through the Cultural Revolution and Japanese occupation,

Errr... This is a forum on cinema, and not about these nationalistic nonsenses. Not even to forget that it was not released in Main Land China...
You are an imbecile - there are only Chinese people in mainland China? What about all the Chinese communities around the world that are part of 1/4 of the planet's population, IDIOT

Your focus on the film seem to be on Sakamoto's role, while ignoring all the historic inaccuracies right down to the interrogations devised to break-down innocent citizens. I have family who lived through that kind of madness and survived, while you only seem to know from what you are able to find from Google or Wikipedia. When the film was released, a large portion of the audience were from chinese communities who wanted to see history brought to justice, and share it with their kids and grandchildren... but what resulted was just silence due to disappointment. You focus on a fictitious character, while survivors of that portion of Chinese history looked for truth to be revealed - ask yourself, what is trivial? Ask also your parents why they seem so unhappy with you around, loser

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> You are an imbecile - there are only Chinese people in mainland China? What about all the Chinese communities around the world

But you are talking about those who experienced "who actually lived through the Cultural Revolution and Japanese occupation." The absolute majority of them didn't move away, not even to mention that those who couldn't escape suffered even more, plus had to live with the continuation of basically the same regime, generally speaking had to attain far more deeper thoughts to rationalize their experiences, like here's a stunning film from which you can learn a lot http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032880/, without falling into the syndrome of the "beautiful victims" (one of the most problematic aspect of Schindler's List politically, ethically, and esthetically--and the aspect that made so many survivors scorn at the film) and simplistic anti-communism propagandas.

> that are part of 1/4 of the planet's population,

And most of them live in the main-land...

> Your focus on the film seem to be on Sakamoto's role,

Nope. It is just one example of YOU NOT SEEING THE FILM, when the fall of the Japanese Imperialism is the final climax in Pu-Yi's public life, and an important moment of the film of course.

Here you are...




> but you seem to think so highly of the scene that it remains the highlight of the movie to you?

Errr... Since it's part of the august 1945 scene... I hope you have enough commonsense to understand what "august 1945" means...

> Wow, while others may discuss how Joan Chen's talent was hamstrung by having to deliver her lines in English,

These "others" must be blind, a cinematic illiterate like yourself; she actually had spoken perfect English in this film that you haven't seen, and especially her last scene was extremely poignant and disturbing--so strong you see several threads about that on this board.

> you harp on trivia that's not even one of the better performances in the film?

Errr... So you clearly haven't seen the film, nor understand the subject matter, nor who Pu-Yi was, nor never hearing of Manchurian puppet empire...

Well, the role of Amakasu in the film is way over-exaggerated in the film, in history he was just the president of a propaganda film studio, but in the film that you are supposed to have seen 10 times, Amakasu is the master-mind of the Japanese imperialism... Of course it's not historically true at all, but even if his English may be too accented, his delivery of the speech that effectively condense the central idea of the Japanese Imperialism was pretty astonishing. Seems like Sakamoto had a hard time not to laugh doing that scene, but that doesn't appear in his cool performance.

So getting back to the point, his death is in no way "trivial," since it signifies the death of the Japanese Imperialism that manipulated Pu Yi and destroyed his life... If you saw the film 10 times and still didn't get it, you must be a total idiot...


...don't tell me that you didn't even know that The Last Emperor is also a film about the first and last emperor of the Manchurian puppet Empire...


> When the film was released, a large portion of the audience were from chinese communities who wanted to see history brought to justice,

That is pretty silly; sorry that it was not an American Hollywood anti-communist propaganda, but a film made by an Italian communist. The justice he sees is certainly different, in case he sees "justice, " that is. Bernardo Bertolucci is far more intelligent to be that simplistic, and the history of China is far more complex than that as well.

> while ignoring all the historic inaccuracies right down to the interrogations devised to break-down innocent citizens.

Another evidence of you not seeing the film, I am afraid... Since there are absolutely no scenes about that in this film at the first place (unless that you would call Pu-Yi "innocent", that is). How that can be even included in a film about the life of Pu-Yi? He was quite well protected at the beginning of the cultural revolution, and he died soon later.

> I have family who lived through that kind of madness and survived,

Which automatically makes you prejudiced about this delicate historical subject anyway... Sure, during the cultural revolutions, many innocents people were accused of the things they have no idea they should be concerned--and one little scene depicts that in The Last Emperor. While the so-called re-education of those who were involved in the Manchurian empire, or the detained prisoners of the former Japanese Army, that was in most cases re-education processes, and that is what this film's main concern is. Certainly, they were no "innocent people." The Chinese government at its beginning was certainly far more human and ethical than most regimes, since instead of punishing them (in most cases executing to death, by the nationalist government), they made a system of re-education and rehabilitation. As you would see if you see the film The Last Emperor, Pu Yi, for instance was not even capable of taking care of himself in daily life when he finally lost his position--and that was not an exaggeration in any ways, but based on actual testimonies.

Your sentiments may make confusions about these two different phases in the history of Chinese communism, but historically these two were different. Don't be so brainwashed by the anti-communist propaganda.

And now you are trying to criticize because it doesn't suit your immature political propaganda aspects of yours? That is pretty meaningless in a forum on cinema, especially when discussing a complex film like The Last Emperor, which while made by a communist, also quite openly critical about the insanity of what the Chinese communism became at one point in history.

It is also extremely immature to expand your family's personal experience, confusing with the collective experience, forgetting that there are at least two sides in the history like the one which is the concern of this film, not to forget that confusing the holocaust and the cultural revolution is quite ethically and intellectually problematic, if not... just an example of the limitation in the ability of rationalizing things.

And it is very hypocritical and inhumaine to use the sufferings of your own family members just to satisfy your ego on a discussion you started with not-so-justifiable motives.

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Firstly, you never faced up to facts you couldn't deny, as seen through this link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?p=5

Second, you never could argue further with your nonsensical ramblings about Chinese gangsters and how they should speak
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93701464&a mp;p=4#93701464 or http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93748336&a mp;p=4#93748336

In praising THE LAST EMPEROR's music, you give credit to composers who has nothing to do with the film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/71513993?d=latest&amp ;t=20071225071805#latest And then you try to criticize me for writing THE SHELTERING SKIES, instead of SHELTERING SKY in referencing Bertolucci's lesser film to his career - what is amazing is that you try so hard, to the point of staying up 24/7 just so you can keep the thread alive with repeat posting of the same rant, instead of showing you have the backbone to admit you've made a glaring mistake while claiming expertise on a film you actually don't know that much about... to the point of accusing me of not having seen the film when I've clearly stated it has been more than 10 years since I last saw it, and I am not impressed by it, so there is no point for me to remember the exact prop to which one of the characters used to commit suicide.

Your psychosis is ground-breaking, and at the same time offensive to everyone who tries to discuss films on IMDB with reason and respect -- the very reason why your account was deleted in the first place, YET you have no other place to go and find the last string of hope for a purpose to your existence EXCEPT to feel a sense of being alive by being a pest on these boards.

END YOURSELF, LOSER

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> Firstly, you never faced up to facts you couldn't deny, as seen through this link:

Errr... I have already made a response to that, pointing out that these were only based on wild rumors that Sakamoto himself denied publiclly, and public information gathered from the internet... Nothing to suggest that you actually had a conversation with him, and anyway WHO CARES? You just made a list of his discography, added with your very poor opinions of whether you like it or not. In brief, nothing to bluff about having met the artist personally.

> Second, you never could argue further with your nonsensical ramblings about Chinese gangsters and how they should speak

Which also had already been debated, with yourself not being capable to respond.

> In praising THE LAST EMPEROR's music, you give credit to composers who has nothing to do with the film

And I said I made a minor mistake. SO?

> And then you try to criticize me for writing THE SHELTERING SKIES, instead of SHELTERING SKY

Paranoia? I just corrected a mistake since it's a public board.

And nothing to reply to... this????


> You are an imbecile - there are only Chinese people in mainland China? What about all the Chinese communities around the world

But you are talking about those who experienced "who actually lived through the Cultural Revolution and Japanese occupation." The absolute majority of them didn't move away, not even to mention that those who couldn't escape suffered even more, plus had to live with the continuation of basically the same regime, generally speaking had to attain far more deeper thoughts to rationalize their experiences, like here's a stunning film from which you can learn a lot http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032880/, without falling into the syndrome of the "beautiful victims" (one of the most problematic aspect of Schindler's List politically, ethically, and esthetically--and the aspect that made so many survivors scorn at the film) and simplistic anti-communism propagandas.

> that are part of 1/4 of the planet's population,

And most of them live in the main-land...

> Your focus on the film seem to be on Sakamoto's role,

Nope. It is just one example of YOU NOT SEEING THE FILM, when the fall of the Japanese Imperialism is the final climax in Pu-Yi's public life, and an important moment of the film of course.

Here you are...



> but you seem to think so highly of the scene that it remains the highlight of the movie to you?

Errr... Since it's part of the august 1945 scene... I hope you have enough commonsense to understand what "august 1945" means...

> Wow, while others may discuss how Joan Chen's talent was hamstrung by having to deliver her lines in English,

These "others" must be blind, a cinematic illiterate like yourself; she actually had spoken perfect English in this film that you haven't seen, and especially her last scene was extremely poignant and disturbing--so strong you see several threads about that on this board.

> you harp on trivia that's not even one of the better performances in the film?

Errr... So you clearly haven't seen the film, nor understand the subject matter, nor who Pu-Yi was, nor never hearing of Manchurian puppet empire...

Well, the role of Amakasu in the film is way over-exaggerated in the film, in history he was just the president of a propaganda film studio, but in the film that you are supposed to have seen 10 times, Amakasu is the master-mind of the Japanese imperialism... Of course it's not historically true at all, but even if his English may be too accented, his delivery of the speech that effectively condense the central idea of the Japanese Imperialism was pretty astonishing. Seems like Sakamoto had a hard time not to laugh doing that scene, but that doesn't appear in his cool performance.

So getting back to the point, his death is in no way "trivial," since it signifies the death of the Japanese Imperialism that manipulated Pu Yi and destroyed his life... If you saw the film 10 times and still didn't get it, you must be a total idiot...


...don't tell me that you didn't even know that The Last Emperor is also a film about the first and last emperor of the Manchurian puppet Empire...


> When the film was released, a large portion of the audience were from chinese communities who wanted to see history brought to justice,

That is pretty silly; sorry that it was not an American Hollywood anti-communist propaganda, but a film made by an Italian communist. The justice he sees is certainly different, in case he sees "justice, " that is. Bernardo Bertolucci is far more intelligent to be that simplistic, and the history of China is far more complex than that as well.

> while ignoring all the historic inaccuracies right down to the interrogations devised to break-down innocent citizens.

Another evidence of you not seeing the film, I am afraid... Since there are absolutely no scenes about that in this film at the first place (unless that you would call Pu-Yi "innocent", that is). How that can be even included in a film about the life of Pu-Yi? He was quite well protected at the beginning of the cultural revolution, and he died soon later.

> I have family who lived through that kind of madness and survived,

Which automatically makes you prejudiced about this delicate historical subject anyway... Sure, during the cultural revolutions, many innocents people were accused of the things they have no idea they should be concerned--and one little scene depicts that in The Last Emperor. While the so-called re-education of those who were involved in the Manchurian empire, or the detained prisoners of the former Japanese Army, that was in most cases re-education processes, and that is what this film's main concern is. Certainly, they were no "innocent people." The Chinese government at its beginning was certainly far more human and ethical than most regimes, since instead of punishing them (in most cases executing to death, by the nationalist government), they made a system of re-education and rehabilitation. As you would see if you see the film The Last Emperor, Pu Yi, for instance was not even capable of taking care of himself in daily life when he finally lost his position--and that was not an exaggeration in any ways, but based on actual testimonies.

Your sentiments may make confusions about these two different phases in the history of Chinese communism, but historically these two were different. Don't be so brainwashed by the anti-communist propaganda.

And now you are trying to criticize because it doesn't suit your immature political propaganda aspects of yours? That is pretty meaningless in a forum on cinema, especially when discussing a complex film like The Last Emperor, which while made by a communist, also quite openly critical about the insanity of what the Chinese communism became at one point in history.

It is also extremely immature to expand your family's personal experience, confusing with the collective experience, forgetting that there are at least two sides in the history like the one which is the concern of this film, not to forget that confusing the holocaust and the cultural revolution is quite ethically and intellectually problematic, if not... just an example of the limitation in the ability of rationalizing things.

And it is very hypocritical and inhumaine to use the sufferings of your own family members just to satisfy your ego on a discussion you started with not-so-justifiable motives.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?p=6&d=93 825646#93825646

In my humble opinion, it includes far more important issues to be discussed regarding the film The Last Emperor than fulfilling your petty ego.





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Errr... I have already made a response to that, pointing out that these were only based on wild rumors that Sakamoto himself denied publiclly, and public information gathered from the internet... Nothing to suggest that you actually had a conversation with him, and anyway WHO CARES? You just made a list of his discography, added with your very poor opinions of whether you like it or not. In brief, nothing to bluff about having met the artist personally.
With your psychotic obsession to be right, even when you are glaringly mistaken, you should have been able to find proof to the so called "public information gathered from the internet" that you accuse me of copying information from. Since I was able to post information based on my discussions with Ryuichi Sakamoto within minutes upon your misguided attempt to challenge me on his music, you can easily argue that I simply lifted existing information on the internet and just copy & pasted it onto my post http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?p=5

YET YOU STILL COULDN'T SHOW ANY PROOF, OR EVEN A LINK TO THE WEBSITES YOU SO VEHEMENTLY DECLARE I PLAGARIZED FROM

BOTTOMLINE IS, IF YOU COULDN'T OWN UP TO YOUR CLAIMS, THEN YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ARE FABRICATING LIES **JUST LIKE YOUR LIE ABOUT TAN DUN HAVING COMPOSED MUSIC FOR THE LAST EMPEROR** -- NO SUPPORT, NO ARGUMENT, LOSER

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> With your psychotic obsession to be right, even when you are glaringly mistaken, you should have been able to find proof to the so called "public information gathered from the internet" that you accuse me of copying information from.

Again, paranoia???? I was just pointing out the fact that there were nothing in your post that could be only obtained with a personal encounters. Nothing new to the public, except for your silly egotistical obsessions.

And why don't you get over your silly ego, and always evading from things that you cannot respond, which in most cases include far more valuable issues to be discussed, far more important than whether you actually have met Sakamoto or not, WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN REPETITIOUSLY TOLD THAT NOBODY CARES AT THE FIRST PLACE?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?p=6&d=93 839590#93839590

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Errr... I have already made a response to that, pointing out that these were only based on wild rumors that Sakamoto himself denied publiclly, and public information gathered from the internet... Nothing to suggest that you actually had a conversation with him, and anyway WHO CARES? You just made a list of his discography, added with your very poor opinions of whether you like it or not. In brief, nothing to bluff about having met the artist personally.
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Since I was able to post information based on my discussions with Ryuichi Sakamoto within minutes upon your misguided attempt to challenge me on his music, you can easily argue that I simply lifted existing information on the internet and just copy & pasted it onto my post http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?p=5

And what about your claims that TAN DUN composed music for THE LAST EMPEROR? You know so much about his work, including work that he doesn't know he did for Bertolucci, WHY couldn't you challenge what I had posted on my meeting with Tan Dun are also lies?http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/71513993?d=latest&amp ; ;t=20071225071805#latest

SO WHERE ARE THE LINKS, OR PROOF to your credit to TAN DUN, and claims that I copied the information I posted from websites relating to Ryuichi Sakamoto? LOSER

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> Since I was able to post information based on my discussions with Ryuichi Sakamoto within minutes upon your misguided attempt to challenge me on his music,

When did you do that? Another one of your hallucinations?

AND WHO CARES IF YOU HAVE MET SAKAMOTO OR NOT? If you can provide information that can be obtained only from a personal encounter, that may be valuable here, but you insisting on meeting him, then saying nothing more than what can be obtained from the internet (since all you did is just to list his discography added with your poor opinions...), WHO CARES?

Why you are so silly?

> And what about your claims that TAN DUN composed music for THE LAST EMPEROR?

Do you want me to repeat about your "SHELTERING SKIES"? Pffff.....

And why you try to evade from what is definitely more important?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93825646&a mp;p=6#93825646

I personally don't care about the simplistic anti-communism propaganda, nor "bring to justice" which definitely is NOT the role that cinema plays in society (otherwise cinema would be just a propaganda tool) but for you, I mean it is supposed to be about your own family members...


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> And what about your claims that TAN DUN composed music for THE LAST EMPEROR?

Do you want me to repeat about your "SHELTERING SKIES"? Pffff.....
Please do, and let people judge which is more laughable - not knowing who composed the music you so praise, or using "SHELTERING SKIES" to refer to Bertolucci's film.

So where are the hidden tracks Tan DUN composed for THE LAST EMPEROR?

It funny how little I had to write about my conversation with Ryuichi Sakamoto to get you rowed up enought where you rant nonsensically accusing me NOT EVER having met him. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?p=5
I simply educated you on his music with extrapolations from my conversations with him. You never asked me anything else about his other work with the KAB entity, nor could you add or refute what I wrote about his work on the GUT label. You don't even have an idea about the differences between his work on GUT vs the Warner Music label, nor could you add anything to the discussion, such as his feelings about JASRAC, and why he was one of the first music composers who wanted to jump into new modes of selling music. You know nothing of his work with Ryu Murakami, or you would have jumped in at the first opportunity to rant more nonsense or googled information... yet you couldn't find any of it in your desperate attempts to check throughout the internet.

So where are TAN DUN's music for THE LAST EMPEROR, and what else do you want to know about Sakamoto's music? LOSER

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Do you want me to repeat about your "SHELTERING SKIES"? Pffff.....
Please let people judge which is more laughable - not knowing who composed the music you so praise, or using "SHELTERING SKIES" to refer to Bertolucci's film.

So where are the hidden tracks Tan DUN composed for THE LAST EMPEROR?

If you can accuse me of plagarizing from the internet to make use of information that can be found on websites on Ryuichi Sakamoto, it shouldn't be difficult for you to list the links that basically would show VERBATIM as what is shown in my post http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?p=5
So where are the links? Where is your proof that you even know what you are talking about, when all you can write is you don't like Ryu Murakami -- who cares what you like or dislike when the topic is not even remotely touching on what you prefer - your business here is to provide support to show you didn't lie, BUT WHERE IS THE SUPPORT? WHERE'S THE PROOF?


So where are TAN DUN's music for THE LAST EMPEROR, and what else do you want to know about Sakamoto's music? LOSER

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Why are you spaming this board with the same silly self-obsessive pathological posts, and continue to evade some questions of certain importance that you yourself raised?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?d=93825646&a mp;a mp;p=6#93825646

> f you can accuse me of plagarizing from the internet to make use of information that can be found on websites on Ryuichi Sakamoto,

Pffff... You can't even read????


AND WHO CARES IF YOU HAVE MET SAKAMOTO OR NOT? If you can provide information that can be obtained only from a personal encounter, that may be valuable here, but you insisting on meeting him, then saying nothing more than what can be obtained from the internet (since all you did is just to list his discography added with your poor opinions...), WHO CARES?


> it shouldn't be difficult for you to list the links that basically would show VERBATIM as what is shown in my post

I don't have to. Just put "Ryuichi Sakamoto" on the Google search engine.

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Why are you spaming this board with the same silly self-obsessive pathological posts, and continue to evade some questions of certain importance that you yourself raised?
That's what I've been trying to find out from you, but you simply cannot add to, or bring any logic and reasoning to your lunatic repeated posts of the same nonsense over and over again.


If you can accuse me of plagarizing from the internet to make use of information that can be found on websites on Ryuichi Sakamoto, it shouldn't be difficult for you to list the links that basically would show VERBATIM as what is shown in my post

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/board/thread/81246290?p=5

So where are the links? Where is your proof that you even know what you are talking about, when all you can write is you don't like Ryu Murakami -- who cares what you like or dislike when the topic is not even remotely touching on what you prefer - your business here is to provide support to show you didn't lie, BUT WHERE IS THE SUPPORT? WHERE'S THE PROOF?
> You know nothing of his work with Ryu Murakami,

Why should I know when I hate Ryu Murakami profoundly, totally disinterested in what he does? And that is also public knowledge.
So you can hate Ryu Murakami "profoundly" without knowing anything about his work? OR, have you been scolded by your parents or neighbors when they laughed at you for living a leech of a life like the characters to his early novels? Better yet, are you confusing him with Haruki, Cong Su, or TAN DUN?


So where is TAN DUN's music for THE LAST EMPEROR, and WHY are you still not able to provide any links to the websites to which I copied from? LOSER

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What happened to this board? There are pages of arguments just between two people going on. That's hilarious.

You two should concentrate on writing a book or building a house rather than all the useless time that has been expended on this message board. Though I must say I really appreciate this, I feel quite humored.

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I can't believe how long this argument is.


I also can't believe that I just read all of it.


my favorite ten films are

Winter Light by Bergman
Nashville By Altman
8 and a Half by Fellini
Persona by Bergman
Inland Empire by Lynch
Raging Bull by Scorsese
I'm Not There by Todd Haynes
Dancer in the Dark by Trier
Andrei Rublev by Tarkovsky
Mirror by Tarkovsky

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No offense pal, but you are the definition of a film elitist. Don't raise your nose to great films like The Matrix just because they aren't foreign avant-garde films included in the Criterion Collection...

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maybe you should see a movie with subtitles once in a while

those may be some of the most expensive movies ever made, but certainly not the best

lest we plan to forget everything from ozu, kurosawa, fellini, bergman, mellville, godard, ray, and many many more

so smile like a child sitting in the sea
forget about whats in the water and just focus in on me

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Hmmm my top 10 movies are:
1. Casablanca - Michael Curtiz
2. Citizen Kane - Orson Welles
3. 8 1/2 - Federico Fellini
4. The Godfather - Francis Ford Copolla
5. Persona - Ingmar Bergman
6. Raging Bull - Martin Scorsese
7. Seven Samurai - Akira Kurosawa
8. Vertigo - Alfred Hitchcock
9. Pulp Fiction - Quentin Tarantino
10. City Lights - Charles Chaplin



Luis Diego Rojas
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My top 10:
1)M - Fritz Lang
2)Wild Strawberries
3)Tokyo Story
4)The 400 Blows
5)2001: A Space Odyssey
6)Rear Window
7)Chinatown
8)Double Indemnity
9)12 Angry Men
10)The Godfather

Extremely Difficult to do, I was thinking maybe Godfather 2 instead of the original on the last spot.
How did I leave Sunset Boulevard out? Maybe I will replace 12 Angry Men with Sunset Boulevard.

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In no particular order...

Moulin Rogue
Finding Neverland
One flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
Misery
Million Dollar Baby
Silence of the Lambs
Ordinary People
Disturbia
Forrest Gump
Fargo
A Beautiful Mind
The Sixth Sense

I know it's twelve..sorry

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This is pretty spectacular- I can't believe the patience some people have for continuing arguments. Amazing.

Anyway, my 10:

GoodFellas
Heat
Die Hard
A History of Violence
Se7en
Seven Samurai
The Incredibles
Raging Bull
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Traffic

All in the Game.

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shane

paths of glory

midnight cowboy

godfather 1

godfather 2

atlantic city

one flew over the coco nest

raging bull

rosemary's baby

westside story

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Well this would be my list of greatest movies but not all of them are my favorites

Godfather
Shawshank Redemption
Lawrence of Arabia
Seven Samurai
Good, Bad, Ugly
One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
The Pianist
ChinaTown
To Kill A Mockingbird
Dances with Wolves

"Get busy living or Get busy dying "

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some of my favorite films are:

Gone with the Wind
Casablanca
All about Eve
Sunset Boulevard
A Streetcar Named Desire
The Apartment
8 1/2
Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf?
The Godfather
Cabaret
Network
The Godfather Part II
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
All That Jazz
Alien
Cries and Whispers
Apocalypse Now
Kramer vs Kramer
Raging Bull
Fanny och Alexander
Sophie's Choice
Amadeus
Ran
Dangerous Liaisons
The Last Emperor
The Piano
Fargo
American Beauty
Moulin Rouge!
Requiem for a Dream
Lord of the Rings
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind

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