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Few things that annoyed me in this film (I voted 6) *SPOILERS*


The beginning of the movie seemed fine. Then there came this scene that seemed pretty naive to me: Mike and his associate want to show Margaret this basic money cheating trick involving a envelope and 20$. I'm too lazy to describe the whole scene but in short Mikes friend seems to put 20$ in this envelope and gives it to Margaret who actually believes she has now 20$ in the envelope even though she has just been told she will be shown a cheating trick.

In a situation like this anyone who hasn't grown up in a barrel or something would suspect that the envelope is really empty. However this woman who is supposed to be intelligent enough (she's a famous psychologist after all) doesn't have a clue.

However this didn't annoy me that much. It felt a bit stupid but I kept on watching. The midsection of the movie was pretty OK.

Then near the end came the airport scene which left me feeling pretty awkward and sort of spoiled the movie for me: Mike (who we at this point know is supposed to be this pretty elaborate professional con artist who you'd think could probably plot his way out of a bad situation) basically simply tells Margaret to bite it when she's pointing a gun at him. Then when she gets mad and shoots him in the leg he gets mad too and really starts insulting her. It's like he's suddenly gotten a death wish or something. So Margared shoots him again; he politely asks for some more. Margaret shoots him dead and the movie basically ends there. After this comes a scene in which we are shown that she got away with it but there's nothing much happening anymore: Margaret is a restaurant with a friend. She autographs a book, steals a cigarette lighter and soon after that the end texts start rolling (as did my eyes).

This movie has in my opinion to some extent the same sort of feel as "To Live and Die in L.A.", if you like it chances are you'll like this too. Some critics say "To Live and Die in L.A." is one of greatest thrillers ever and the car chase scene in it is supposed to be really good but in my opinion the movie felt often a bit too 'artsy' and absurd (as also did the House of Games in some scenes) and the car chase scene actually made me eventually laugh in disbelief; it just seemed to last for ever and felt generally weird.

You are of course free to make your own decisions but while watching the credits roll I myself felt like this movie had suddenly gone seriously TV-movie on me. Had I known before watching how this ends I wouldn't have bothered staying up late because of this. The House of Games isn't exactly a bad movie but because of the high user rating and a well written positive comment on the title page (at the time) I did expect something better.

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"if they were about to make a sucker out of you and get six G's from you, why won't they try to get 80 more."

They did try to get 80 more. That was their plan from the beginning. If you had actually watched the movie carefully, you would know that. When she overhears in the bar how they scammed her, they mention how the gun was supposed to leak, so she would realize it was a fake. Everything goes down exactly according to their plan - until the end. My biggest criticism is that Billy gives her a loaded gun, then later parks near her office in the red convertible that she had stolen. His stupidity is the only reason she found out about the con. She goes to the tavern and sure enough sees Billy's car parked right in front of it.

"Then, when "the cop" gets shot, Mike pronounces him dead on the spot. Now here she is an M.D. who cannot see an entry wound, who should know that nobody dies instantly, not even from a shot to the head or heart, let alone a stomach wound that would make him moan and bleed on the floor for 8 more hours until he died from the sheer bloodloss. She cannot tell that the stuff that got on her shirt was not blood but just cheap red ink."

She was stunned and not really looking at the body closely. He fell over on his side, turned away from her. She was probably more worried about being arrested, for attempted robbery and murdering a police officer. Furthermore, she couldn't tell where he was shot, since the gun was between them as they were struggling. She might not have seen he was hit in the stomach where she was standing by the door. She threw away her clothes. She didn't smell them or taste the blood. She had no way to determine that the blood was really cheap ink.

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A film's story is everything to me; I cannot like a movie where people say 'the performances are worth the price of admission alone.' Having said that, you'll understand that I didn't like "HoG" very much. Now I understand that Mamet wasn't making a documentary on con games but a fictional feature film using the con as a device. And I cut him a lot of slack as the shrink, shown as an extremely isolated and almost pathologically-laden obsessive, couldn't pick up on the con game directed towards her from early on; she was a perfect mark and bought into everything the con men had planned for her. But I started questioning the story because after all Mamet created a shrink who had the smarts to graduate medical school, continue years of training and even became a writer hip enough to write a best selling book. So where were her smarts when she finds out that the $25000. gambling debt, which her patient says will cause him to commit suicide (as he pulls a real gun from his person) and could believably make her want to intervene, by bullying the note holder into forgiving the debt..... where were they when she is shown a measly $800 debt? Yes, she's obsessive but at this point her intelligence should trump that. They don't have their emotional hooks in her yet! She's analytical and would have deduced something about the analysand who lied about the debt. But the movie overlooks this and the film continues. A huge organization of con men conspire to get her to give them $80000 of her money (probably $125000 in today's dollars). Yeah, o.k. good but very complicated plan to get her dough. But the con is flawlessly executed. Never a touch of the happenstances that occur everyday in life when even much simpler plans are thrown off because of events that take place outside the control of each of us, much less a group of guys working a con (even the hotel front desk man must be in on the scam also in since he doesn't pick up the room key that the fake guest throws down next to the mark.). I didn't turn the set off however because though the movie is no longer a beautifully turned psychological thriller it's no more absurd than scores, no, hundreds of other thrillers. It's like watching a juggler toss three balls in the air, not Penn and Teller doing something amazing. Then, as the movie starts moving towards its climax, two story moves not only derail the fluff that precedes them, but in the case of this viewer, actually makes me angry. To wit: we're to believe that this wet and overwrought victim enters the bar where the experienced and mature gang is discovered inexplicably speaking (too loudly) about their score.....and is not noticed? Even when one of the con men brushes into her? To expand on this remember this is not a radio program or something one is reading in a book. It's a visual medium and so how is it possible that she is also standing behind a latticed booth, perhaps thirty feet from Mantegna (who is facing in her direction) and is not seen? It get worse. She overhears Mantegna say he's taking the last flight to Vegas and when she's next seen, hiding at the airport, an urban airport emptied of the usual extras; other passengers, security or airport personnel by the way which explains why she's able to confront him and pull a
gun. Her strident voice attracts no attention and then they open a door clearly festooned with 'Don't Open This Door' language, i.e. a security door and no sirens or bells go off. Yes, pre-9-11 but terrorism and/or highjackings were happening even earlier than 1987 and certainly were well publicized. [I don't want to go to caps now and wish I could use a different font for the next sentence.] But they've now entered an airport baggage area where no one, repeat, no one is around, and she shoots him three times, with an interval between shots by the way, and still the place remains empty and deserted. I mentioned early on that story is very important to me and these last scenes that I describe in particular shifted me into the Tilt section on the pin ball machine and caused an unusual reaction in me as a movie patron: I felt defrauded and did, in fact, think that my time had been wasted. (One other thing. In the other section on IMDB, a whole group of viewers didn't like the acting in the film because the characters were "boring". They're obviously innocent in the ways of how David Mamet expresses characterizations.)

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"So where were her smarts when she finds out that the $25000. gambling debt, which her patient says will cause him to commit suicide (as he pulls a real gun from his person) and could believably make her want to intervene, by bullying the note holder into forgiving the debt..... where were they when she is shown a measly $800 debt?"

It wouldn't make her think anything, except that Billy was a pathological liar. Maybe he was trying to cheat her out of some money, since she promised him help. Maybe he didn't expect her to see Mike, or find out the debt was fake. That was the set-up. They get her to trust Mike, even though he's a crook, because he is showing her all the tricks of his trade (so she thinks).

"we're to believe that this wet and overwrought victim enters the bar where the experienced and mature gang is discovered inexplicably speaking (too loudly) about their score.....and is not noticed? Even when one of the con men brushes into her?"

She was wearing a hooded sweat-shirt and her back was to the man when he bumped into her from behind with his head turned away from her. He didn't even look at her when he said "excuse me." So, no, I don't find it particularly unbelievable that he didn't recognize her. Plus, I think he was the fake hotel guest who did not even get a good look at Margaret to begin with.

"But they've now entered an airport baggage area where no one, repeat, no one is around, and she shoots him three times, with an interval between shots by the way, and still the place remains empty and deserted."

She shot him when the sound of a jet engine was rising in the background. Didn't you even watch the movie with sound or are you deaf? There is no way anyone will hear three gun shots over the sound of a jet engine passing over-head, let alone down on the ground just a few hundred feet away.

Some of your criticisms are valid, but overall they seem misguided and ignorant of the movie, like you haven't seen it recently.

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"In a situation like this anyone who hasn't grown up in a barrel or something would suspect that the envelope is really empty. However this woman who is supposed to be intelligent enough (she's a famous psychologist after all) doesn't have a clue."

Store clerks and bartenders get cheated by tricks like that all the time. She is no more gullible than any of them. She was watching him up close and thought the envelope had money in it. That's why you never let someone hand you an envelope, or bill, without closely examining the contents. You have them put all the money on the counter, and you count it, before giving them change. John Cusack tried a similar con in The Grifters, flashing a $20 to the bartender and swapping it for $10 when the bartender turned his back. This is easy to avoid. Never give anyone change, unless you counted their money, and it all adds up.

The way they explained the con would never work, except on an idiot, because you don't hand someone $20 for a stack of $1 bills without counting them first. They told her to give them the $20, and then told her she counted the money and there was only $19. Nobody would be that gullible. But you can't expect the con artist to reveal exactly how their tricks are done. Mamet and Ricky Jay distorted those tricks, so nobody could use them successfully in the real world.

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I think I recall this correctly and if true, it's something that annoyed me. After she got the envelope which she thought had the $20 bill, she said she just made a dollar.

It started with her with the twenty and for the demonstration she was offered a stack of one dollar bills in exchange. Her twenty was "sealed" in an envelope while she was given the ones. After finding out there were only 19 ones, she was handed the envelope to hold while the other party goes to get an additional dollar bill. Even if that $20 bill had been in the envelope, her "I made a dollar" statement did not make sense at all.

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Yeah there were a lot of huge plot holes.

Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and / or doesn't.

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