Sometimes, War is Fun!


The similarities between HAG and Empire of the Sun are really uncanny. Two English boys, on opposite ends of the world, making do -- and having a blast -- amid the deprivation and destruction of WW2. What more could a schoolboy ask for? And let's face it, even when there's no war, little boys are perpetually playing pretend war. Oh, yes, war is tragic, war is terrible. But for little boys, it's all about the noise, the rubble, the enemy, the equipment, the excitement and the explosions. Boys will be boys afterall.

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I agree Hope and Glory is a much more rewarding film because it is restrained and subtle where Empire of the Sun is too concerned with being a "spectacle"-type war movie, over-dramatized and didactic.

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Watch this film and read the book of "Empire".

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"War is fun? Try telling that to all the people who lose loved ones every year fighting wars."

If war wasn't fun for a significant number of people, we'd have stopped having wars long ago.

"However, filling this movie up with nearly two hours of people not giving a damn about anything and acting like a bunch of sleepwalking morons doesn't impress me one bit."

Given that the movie is based very strongly on Boorman's own experiences as a kid in WWII, I can only presume that your idea of how people would behave in a war is wrong, not his.

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..that through the eyes of a child the strange goings on (air raids, bombs going off like fireworks) seem like fun. I live on the east coast of the U.S. and when I was a child I can remember when a hurricane would hit I thought it was fun in an eerie way. The adults of course were worried about damage to the house and worse things but I was oblivious to this back when I was 8 years old.

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True, from what Boorman has said, the movie is meant to be somewhat surreal because it's based on a child's viewpoint.

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I don't know if I agree with what all has been said here, but I sort of know what the original poster meant. My grandmother was a nurse in England during WWII and my grandfather was a soldier fighting for the English. My grandmother would sometimes tell me about her experiences during the war, the people she met, the things she saw, the things she did, and I remember finding it odd when she made a comment about it being one of the best times in her life. She, of course, didn't mean that the war was fun or that she enjoyed it, because she lost people she loved in the war, worried about my grandfather off fighting, and faced constant bombings while serving as an army nurse. She explained her comment to me when I was younger by telling me that she had never seen people become so close, people worked together and they appreciated what they had because any one of them could have lost it at a moments notice. It was an awful situation, but it brought people together, and I think in the midst of terrible loss and tragedy, the only way to survive is to think that there is hope. As for the comments about the film with regards to the actions of "Billy" and "Dawn" in various scenes, I don't think this film was made with the intention of telling every story of every person who experienced the war, or with making a watered down version of what most people's experiences were. I thought it was brilliant because it told one little boy's story. Today it seems that we're too concerned with making characters or stories that relate to everyone. We want to include everyone and we lose that personal touch. I think it's refreshing that a film is made every once in awhile that doesn't ask you to say, oh I've had those experiences, or that could be me, because I want to see individuals every so often.

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xfile1971, get thee to a library and check out Studs Terkel's book "The Good War," an oral history featuring people who lived through WWII. Most of them are American, though some lived through the war in Germany and Japan, as well as fighting overseas. It's a really readable collection - you can just jump in. The gist is that people had all sorts of reactions to the war, including the young and the old. One woman interviewed became a "V-Girl," and for her, the war was mostly about dating lots of young men; for another, it was an opportunity to make money at a munitions plant. Like Chrissythecat stated, for a lot of people, it was the best period of their life, or the period in which everything changed suddenly. Especially for the young, they usually grew up even faster. War has a way of doing that to people, shaking them up.

The picture has so much absurd humor in it, and brilliant character development even for lesser characters. Witness the three major scenes we see with Pauline - first the loss of her mother, then the semi-humorous loss of her dignity, and finally her empathy for the family who has lost all their wordly possessions. This is one of those films that keeps improving on re-views.

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"War is fun? Try telling that to all the people who lose loved ones every year fighting wars."

If war wasn't fun for a significant number of people, we'd have stopped having wars long ago.


Hope and Glory uses a child's naive perspective to reflect war's reality. One example is the scene when Bill's friends repetitively keep asking their female friend if her mother died. They are oblivious to their friends' emotional state and think it is intriguing gossip. Adult audiences are able to see beyond the children's naivety and understand war's reality.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.

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xfile1971:"I'm sure lots of teenage girls wouldn't go running out during a session of carpet bombing and remark how beautiful it is. I'm sure not all the boys in England were thrilled at the idea of war. Those with a brain in their head would probably be afraid of dying or losing one of their family members, such as their father who has enlisted. The typical girl whose mother was killed in a bombing raid would probably not skip over her mourning period and instead show her vagina to a bunch of boys in exchange for a necklace.

However, filling this movie up with nearly two hours of people not giving a damn about anything and acting like a bunch of sleepwalking morons doesn't impress me one bit. War is fun? Try telling that to all the people who lose loved ones every year fighting wars. Yipee!
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Try watching the scene with Dawn dancing out in the bombing again. She stops very abruptly and is afraid.

Foolish behavior is nothing new during serious, unpredictable tragic events. There was a hurricane party on the coast when Camille hit back in 1969, with only one survivor.

And a little over two months on 9-11, there was the Macy's parade. It is always life as usual.

As to Pauline's mourning period. She is wearing a dark heavy overcoat after her mother's death. When she opens her panties to all the boys, she is wearing a light colored sweater, so there had been a time lapse.

The conclusion was that Pauline, a young girl who was growing up, now must do it without her mother. But the movie wasn't about Pauline, which is why we saw barely three or four scenes with her.

I guess you are just programmed to see tears and hankies when a family member dies in a film.

And young boys were looking forward to war at that time. English actor Tom Baker (b. 1934) would wish his mother would be killed in an air raid so he could get gifts and handshakes from important people. He realizes how silly his thinking was, but that is what made them children.

War being fun was the title of this thread, not the message I got from this movie.

With the current Iraqi conflict, isn't it still the same as always? We go to the movies, go to work, have sex, listen to favorite songs and watch tv. nothing has changed.

Which is what this movie was all about, to indirectly quote the teacher.

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good lord, talk about overanalyzing a comment and getting on a soapbox... that post, and this movie, apparently both went right over your head.

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But the movie wasn't about the war exactly, it was based on the experiences of one man in particular and it was his coming of age story. No one is suggesting that war is good or fun, but it's not that hard to see why an adolescent boy growing up in England during that time might find it "exciting," because it played into the mentality of a lot of young boys who did play soldiers and who did feel a need to try to be men and grow up. I mean, movies like "Schindler's List" and "The Diary of Anne Frank" show that the war was not enjoyable for those unfortunate enough to be in the occupied nations. But even "The Diary of Anne Frank" showed that during even the most horrific conditions, life can still go on in some way and on some level. Anne Frank might have been forced to live in an attic for years, but she had crushes and insecurities and hopes and dreams. As for "Hope & Glory," it was a different perspective because England was in the war to help fight against the Germans. They weren't being overtaken like those in Warsaw and Paris. And even for the British, it still was a terrible time in many ways. My grandfather's best friend was savagely murdered and strung up in a tree by the opposition and it was an image and a memory that stayed with him all the way up until his own death roughly 10 years ago. I don't know, I guess that it's reading too much into the movie to try and say that it's justifying that war is fun, because it really is just about a boy coming of age and the setting happens to be a war. If anything, it just shows you how much of a child he was to look at war in that way.

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