I have to say that out of all of the films I have seen that have shown the horrors of the Holocaust, in this movie, the scene where the young boy goes into the area where the people are being led to the gas chambers, was one of the most horrifying and devastatingly tragic I have ever seen on film. (For those of you who haven't yet seen it, I won't say.)
May their souls be bound in the bond of life.
Iv'e seen quite a few films/documentaries about the holocaust,and this has got to be one of the most painfully difficult films to watch.Riviting,and disturbing.
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The dog attacks the little boy... =[
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does any1 else know good holocaust movies like this?????
we are watching this in school
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Try The Grey Zone (2001)
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It was definitely a horrid scene to watch, that child knew death was imminent, but tried to get zaway in spite of it.
I have to be a slight voice of dissent, however, the scene was a bit innacurate. If I'm not mistaken, the Aktion Reinhard camps used gas chambers/vans to suffocate the victims, then either buried or burned them in deep pits dug into the ground afterwards. An excavation of the original site where Sobibor stood & Thomas Blatt's testimony confirmed that much, so there wouldn't have been smoke coming from any chimneys of that chamber the prisoners were heading into.
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I'm a junior, and we just watched the first half hour of it in our history class. In fact, i'm writing this in the library at school. We just watched the part where...
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The woman's killed with her baby for hiding it in the sewing room.
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But yeah...The only reason i've taken a liking to the movie is because Alan Arkin is in it, then when the shower/gas chamber scene came...i was like, "This scene is shot so well" and then i thought that i couldn't believe what i was thinking because it really happened. THIS IS THE HOLOCAUST! But now i realize it's okay to think so because the writer was only trying to capture the feel so all could experience or to understand the hell happened back then...
So.. i'm hoping it's not morally wrong to think this movie is good.
Kudos to Alan!
So.. i'm hoping it's not morally wrong to think this movie is good.Of course it's not. There is nothing wrong with enjoying someone's good work. That does not mean you are enjoying the subject or glad the terrible events occurred.
Yeah. I saw that part when the baby and his mother were both killed. It's just not fair! :'(
I literally shouted out in Holocaust Seminar class when that happened. Yes; my class and I were watching it for the past two days now. Anyways, when I heard the gunshots, right after the scene cut to outside the house, and I heard the gunshots, and the baby screaming, then a few more gunshots silencing the baby, I literally shouted "That bastard! That heartless freaking bastard!".
When I thought it had gotten me in trouble, I immediately apologized to my teacher, but he told me it was all right, and that the scene made everyone in the room feel the same way. Such a tragic scene. :(
the Reinhard camps used free-standing gas chambers and a T-34 engine to run carbon monoxide.
I'm guessing the smoke coming from the chimneys was either exhaust fumes coming from the chambers or it could be smoke coming from the fires (called 'roasts') occuring behind the chambers themselves.
admittedly it's hard to be certain given the camera angle.
plus, i reckon that the child trying to run away in that scene, the one that's killed by the dog off-screen is actually a girl.
but i could be wrong.
but i don't think i am, look how (s)he runs. arms don't move.
"Enemy at the Gates" is good. "Hart's War" was better than i thought it would be. "A Thin Red Line" is good, but not nearly as good as "Saving Private Ryan". "Shindlers List" will always be the benchmark for WWII movies."Jacob the Lyer" is also good. Movies about WWII come once a year or so. But the holocoust itself is still a tender subject. However i'm with you. I would like to see more films about it. As long as they are historicaly accurate and in good taste.
shareExcuse me, but most movies you name are war movies and have nothing to do with the Holocaust, whether they are good or not. The Holocaust may be a "tender subject", but there definitely is no shortage of (good) movies about it, other than Shindler's List. The Pianist, Sophie's Choice (my personal favorite), The Diary of Anne Frank, La vita e bella, the tv-series Holocaust and of course the classic documentaries Nuit et brouillard (Alain Resnais) and Shoah, too name but a few. Very interesting is and shocking(ly good) is Conspiracy, a very realistic account of the Wannsee Conference, where the Nazi's (led by one of the top SS figures Reynhardt Heydrich, played chillingly well by Kenneth Branagh) planned "the final solution to the Jewish problem"/the Holocaust. Or try Downfall/Der Untergang, a German account of the last days in Hitler's bunker in Berlin.
share"The Pawnbroker", is an excellent movie about the Holocaust amd its effects on a survivor.
shareIdi I Smotri (Come and See) is an excellent holocaust film.
Oh yeah and off course Zwartboek (Blackbook).
Definetly check those out!
The mini-series "War & Remembrance" has some pretty brutal scenes, even more so than Schindler's List, etc. It's about 30 hours long but it makes Escape From Sobibor(which I really like too) look tame.
shareI think the child who ran might have been a girl rather than a boy, when I saw it years ago I got the impression that the child was a girl
sharehey there, need some help if you could. i watched a film years ago and the only thing i can remember is the prisnors escaping at the end through a mine field and then into a forrest. it then told a little tale of there lives once they had escaped. do u know if this is the right film? i've looked for ages and dont think this is the right one. thanks
It certainly sounds like this one. There aren't many films where prisoners escape through a mine field and this one ends with a summary of what happened to all the major characters
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I think you're talking about Saints and Soldiers.
shareThose of you who have seen this and The Grey Zone, would you please comment on which was better, which was more tragic?
shareThe Grey Zone is very realistic...but that is because the scenes are from Auschwitz-Birkenau..probably the biggest and cruelest slaughter house....so it is quite hard to watch.
Escape from Sobibor is 15 years older movie so the details are not so inhuman. But maybe that is even worse.
You should have visited Auschwitz in Poland and after that watch The grey zone (or inversely)....horrible experience.:-( It's hard to believe that this is a real thing and not just a disgusting horror movie.
I'd like to add, this movie is not overly graphic, as in blood and guts splattering.
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We KNOW what will happen,but don't actually SEE it, which makes this movie one to remember.
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The most CHILLING part of the movie, to me, is when the guards sit around the dinner table. One says "Ya, I turn on the gas for 20 minutes", like it's a normal thing to do.
I first saw this movie when I was eight (Hebrew school) and would see it a half-dozen times over the next few years...it never lost its power. I finally got a copy from archive.org now that it's moved into the public domain.
shareYes, this is a very powerful scene. What really got me was right when the little boy's mother sees the dog attacking him and screams, you see this child in the background resting its head against it's mother's bosom, with a blank look on their face, not even reacting to what's going on.
shareIs it a little boy? I remember seeing this movie on TV years ago, it was when it was first broadcast (can't remember if it was on RTE or the BBC) and I got the impression the child was a little girl when I first watched it
shareIt is indeed a powerful scene, but also historically inaccurate. No prisoner from other parts of the camp would ever get a casual permission to just stroll in, get a full view of the atrocities there and then leave alive like Moses did in the movie. Since secrecy was their #1 priority, the guards would most likely have him wait outside the first gate while they would go fetch officer Bauer for him. But I guess they needed some sort of contrived plot device with one of the central characters just to show the proceedings with the gas chambers.
According to the book "Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka" by Yitzhak Arad, it was actually a clever cook in Camp I, Hershl Zukerman, who got the idea to hide a letter in a crumb pie (since the Germans never cared about the food) asking what was going on. When the food buckets came back he found a piece of paper in one of them saying "Here the last human march takes place, from this place nobody returns. Here the people turn cold..."