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Recast it! BLOOD ON THE MOON, that is...


Now that the year the novel takes place in - 1983 - would make the film effectively a period piece, I think this novel could be turned into a film...again. Not that I did not like COP, its just that BLOOD ON THE MOON is a brilliant book and I think could make a better film than COP. Recasting suggestions are below:

Lloyd Hopkins - Viggo Mortenson
The Poet aka Tom Verplank - David Thewlis
Kathleen McCarthy - Hope Davis
Dutch - Tom Wilkinson
Joanie Pratt - Brooke Shields
Whitey Haines - Ron Eldard
Birdie - Frank Whaley
Tom Hopkins - Campbell Scott


Thoughts???

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I like Viggo for the part. He could bring a challanging intensity to the character that would be different from the now more well known Bud White intensity which most might play it with. I also like Billy Crudup for the part.

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Yeah, because I think we need more remakes. There's simply not enough being made!






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If you think this book is brilliant, you really need to either read more books or at least read more Ellroy.

The books that make up his LA NOIR trilogy are embarassing to his later work. Time and time again we get totally unbelievable coincidences that drive the plot forward (like having a detective randomly pick the owner of a feminist bookstore to seek help from while investigating a string of women's murders - and who just happens to be the object of the killer's obsession. I sheet you not).

I want to check this film out now, though. Didn't realize it was "Blood on the Moon." Maybe the film is better plotted.

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Thanks for the backhanded compliment. I liked the book - yeah it had some crazy plot - but this is not Faulkner after all, it is a noir mystery. L.A. Confidential was full of stuff like that. And besides if I remember he was casing A LOT of bookstores and came upon this one purposefully. Besides the tension was always there along with a heavy does of some great atmosphere. If you grew up in LA in the 80's you could identify with the little things that Ellroy writes about.

PS - This movie version is not great but hey - maybe you'll like it since you let a few minor plot issues get in the way of what is otherwise a great book.

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You remember wrong.

He pretty much zeros in on the one feminist bookstore that "just happens" to be run by the woman who is the lifelong obsession of the killer. Keep in mind, he is investigating a case that has nothing whatsoever to do with bookstores. That was just ONE example of what became a constant stream of shockingly bad choices. His characters in these books are sophomorically written as well, speaking and acting in very unrealistic ways (he keeps having male characters "scream" when he obviously means "yells" or "shouts"). Absent is Ellroys later gift for idiosyncratic speech patterns and wonderful slang. You get drips and drabs of it, but it doesn't flow the way anyone who has read latter Ellroy comes to expect.

Go read White Jazz, Crime Wave and The Cold Six Thousand. Next to them, Blood on the Moon looks like it is some high school short story. And don't give me that "it's not Faulkner" crap, which is just a bs way of saying I'm some nose in the air type who thinks all fiction has to be literature. Nope, I'm just someone who has read most of Ellroys later stuff when he had honed his writing skills to a razor sharp edge. Where the plot is driven by the actions of the characters - not the other way around.

Just because something is of a genre like "noir" or what-have-you, doesn't mean it can't be either very good or excellent. Writers like Ellroy, King and Elmore Leonard aren't the top dogs of their genres because they simply have the most interesting plots. Other writers before and after have told similiar tales without the booksales or critical acclaim to show for it. No, their works get to sit at the top of those lists because they are excellent writers who care about every word and know how to create characters who act & speak like real, flawed people.

I now realize there's reason why these early books are never mentioned in interviews or articles about Ellroy - they are that different in quality to later ones that made his reputation. But they do offer a lesson that not all writers hit the ground running, with every short story or novel from word-go a masterpiece. It's rather human to see that Ellroy struggled to find his way, his voice in his writing much like he himself struggled in his youth to find a way out of the petty criminal life he led.

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I must have hit a nerve. do you write?

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I seem to recall Lloyd intended in the book to be a big burly man. I read the novel this March without knowing it had been a movie already, casting it in my head as I went along. Who better than a somewhat slimmed down Philip Seymour Hoffman?

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Phillip Seymour Hoffman??? As who? A Gay Bookstore owner? I have to agree with Swampfox, I have been writing for year's, but it's obvious that age = quality. Just as a fine Wine matures with age, so does a Writer's skill'(s). Character is everything,...I was alway's good at mood, tone etc. but the shading of character's and their different styles of speech etc. is what improves the most. At least it has for me. So Ellroy's maturation has shown from book to book. I like this movie well enough, but the Actor's (all of them) either acted like they were 'High' on Coke,...or wasted on Qualudes, e.g. Hopkin's Wife. UGH! My choice for Hopkin's would be Clive Owen,...and Johnny Depp as Bobby Franco. With the story stretched out a bit character wise, and more murder's,...there was very little 'shock-value' in COP. And let's forget about Leslie Ann Warren. She was terrible in this flick, and believe it or not, I would cast Drew Barrymore in the role. She's a bit like the character in real life. But that's just me. For better Ellroy book to movie excursion, check L.A. Confidential. Sorry, but can not recommend the Black Dahlia. I can't stand Aaron Eckfart. Rock On Ya'll!

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drew barrymore? no. clive owen would be cool, tho.



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"I seem to recall Lloyd intended in the book to be a big burly man."

No he's tall and lanky, like Ellroy himself was as a younger man. Height aside, Woods was actually pretty good casting.

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How about Robert Downey Jr as Hopkins???

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If they ever remake this, they should cast Keifer Sutherland as Hopkins and Michael Emerson(Lost, first Saw movie) as Bobby Franco.

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I'd say Val Kilmer or Alec Baldwin for Hopkins

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Baldwin wouldn't be bad, but he should lose that gut of his. He looks like he ate The Hunt for Red October version of himself.

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James Woods was perfectly cast as Lloyd Hopkins.

I'd love to see an adaptation of another Lloyd Hopkins/James Ellroy novel: "Because the Night." The story is superior to that of "Cop"/"Blood on the Moon."

It's unfortunate "Cop" bombed at the box office. The script wasn't great, but Woods was sensational. He was perfectly cast as the brilliant, obsessive, slighlty psychotic Hopkins.

Viggo Mortensen? When has he ever effectivly played a magnetic, disturbed, morally ambiguous person of high intelligence?

He was disturbed and morally ambiguous in "A History of Violence" but his performance was mundane and lifeless.

His best performances were in "Carlito's Way" as "The Indian Runner."

He hasn't impressed me in anything else.

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The thing to remember is that those "top dogs of their genres" (Ellroy, King and Elmore Leonard) share the fact that they didn't start out on top. As I recall, Ellroy alludes to the dubious quality of his early works in "My Secret Places," admitting that, in effect, it was like getting paid a little to learn how to write.

Regards,
Dud

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Who cares?

Ellroy's earlier works are still fun and well worth reading.

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I think Budlight74's casting was good. And I gotta say I love Blood on the Moon and I wanted to shoot myself after I saw Cop. They didn't even get the killer's name right. By the way for all of you who never read the book it's Teddy Verplank.

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Dont think so, not with your pathetic actors. Not one of them match the talent of Woods. You make me laugh, you would make very good producers.

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not bad.


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