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Bukowski didn't dig it.


Bokowski didn't dig it that much.
He states this in the documentary about himself "Bukowski : Born into this"

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I'm hardly surprised. Rourkes' portrayal of Chinaski was ridiculously bad. Matt Dillon nailed his character way better in Factotum.


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Buk said it best when he said "Rourke delivered the lines like a New Yorker, to get attention. I said those things to be left alone."

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Rourke, to me anyway, nailed the rhythm and style of Bukowski's speaking manner, but the movie was so awful. Factotum was pretty awful too. But, I am just one who cannot much appreciate poetry, especially of this low-life style. What a horrible person, and what kind of a subject to make a movie about ... I guess I just don't get it.

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That's funny because a lot of the time, people bitch when they are told - "you don't get it" - when it involves an interesting movie.
They figure they should either be entertained or not, not that the movie is dealing with difficult issues in an artistic way.
Hey ! -- where's my grilled cheese sandwich with tomato soup, my dumb comfort food?
I don't praise obtuse movies just for the sake of it, and I try not to discount sentimental tripe if it hits the mark.

This seems like a well intentioned film that didn't succeed. More's the pity.

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In Hollywood he said that it was good. Not great, just good. Then again, it was a work of fiction. Very true fiction, but still fiction. Actually, I don't know much about it outside the novel.

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In the docco, Bukowski states that Rourke acted with too much bravdo....when a more 'low key' portrail is what was trying to be done..... is anyone suprised though??? Nah!, it's Mickey

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Micky looks all beat an worn out now, he should play bukowski in another movie, he looks more like him now!

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If Rourke didnt play the part the way he did, I personally dont think I would have liked it as much. 1/2 of the enjoyment for me comes from just the way Micky plays this guy, *beep* hilarious.

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I love this movie and I'm happy there so many of us out there. THAT LOVE THIS MOVIE like me...
I was losing hope... (my girlfriend hates it, my collegues hate it..) and my drunken freind is obssed by it like me..
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rourke was genial.

there's no way you can play such a grandiose character low key.

and i need to get myself a copy of born into this.

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if you read hollywood, it seems bukowski appreciate rourke. there's a part where "jack bledsoe" comes up to him just to say hi. and bukowski says something about him being a good guy.

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that's the thing... Buk wasn't a grandiose character. We all make him that in our minds because of how much we like his work, but he said it best when he said "Rourke delivered the lines like a New Yorker, to get attention. I said those things to be left alone."

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LOL ... true, but he nailed the way Bukowski talked and moved.

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Just watched the special features documentary from the Barfly dvd, "I Drink, I Gamble And I Write...The Making of Barfly" In it Bukowski says the following quotes concerning the movie...ON MICKEY'S ACTING:
"I'm just not saying this to say it. I'm really very pleased with, uh, his acting and what he's doing with the character. It's uh...it's magic."
"Micky doesn't only imitate me, he's improved upon me. He's created his own character with this thing. He has lended to me, he has added to me. He's brought his own inventiveness and I really appreciate it."
ON THE FILM ITSELF:
"I might be more recognized, yes. Success is always dangerous. It can make an *beep* out of anybody. And I don't know what it will do to me. Uh...that's all."
"I would say it's best not to trust any of this. I'll be glad when it's all over and I'm sitting in my room alone again, with a bottle and a typewriter and the radio on and I'm being all alone again and filling up again and being myself again."
Some of the quotes look harsh in print. When watching the documentary, however, he says them with great affection. I think it's his way of acknowledging the performance of Rourke while still expressing some trepidation about the hollywood film process. In any case, it's a great film and I'm glad I own it...

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The brought it over on boats in chains and he paid for it at auction.

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I think over time Bukowski got pissed off having to battle the image of Bukowski that Rourke created in the film. Its almost like he had to attack it to assert himself over the image.
You can see how the liberties that Rourke took with the character would grate on you over time. I dont think Rourke had the koan of Bukowski down. Though I dont think this destroys the movie or the script. Rourke just didnt nail the character on an internal, subtle level.

Factotum on the other hand is an idealized version of Bukowski. The brooding artist that maybe Bukowski saw himself as but without the rought exterior that came through in interviews.

I'll take Barfly anyday over Factotum.

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Judging from Hollywood, Hank liked it a lot...it's just after a while it became an image, people had an expectation for him to be like that, and that sucks. On the other hand, it helped sell a lot of his books. I agree totally with the guy who says Rourke should play him now, he looks more beat up than Bukowski ever did!

Problem with Rourke at that age, and Dillon, is the audience sides with the character immediately because they have a certain glamour. I think it would be more interesting to have an actor the audience initially feels repelled by. Like, here is a creep in a bar, now we follow him and explore his life.

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Apparently earlier Bukowski was well satisfied with Rourke's performance. Don't know why he complained later. The actors are not some robotic dummies. They can interpret a character however they see fit.

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