Susan Faludi was right!


I have just started watching it again on More4. I was surprised that Susan Faludi's comments in Backlash were right about its being nasty towards single women. Melissa is portrayed as ridiculously needy and clingy. I was surprised, as I did not agree with Ms Faludi's comments on the films Parenthood and Baby Boom, especially the latter.

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She sure was. I read her comments about how the producers created Melissa, Ellyn, and Susannah, and it made me seriously ill. Why must career women get such a bad rap?

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- Wil Anderson

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Right on! And the only one portrayed positively was housewife Hope. No wonder Mad magazine called it Thirtysuffering in its excellent spoof on this show.


Christine + Mary Beth forever

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Even when I watched this as a kid I always felt so sorry for Melissa because she was single, and in a way that effected me for life. When I was single I always pictured myself as being Melissa alone and miserable while everyone felt sorry for her. HAHA The really did write her that way, but in reality she was single because she wanted to be but they made being single seem so wrong. I haven’t watched this show since I was a teenager and now that I am in my thirties I still remember the scene when Melissa and Hope are in the bathroom at an art gallery looking in the mirror talking about how bad the lighting is on their aging faces. HA HA Thirty isn’t even really old and your face doesn’t really start to show real age until late forties if you take care of yourself anyway.

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I know what you mean- I watched this show only a little bc I was a teenager and didn't really "get it" while my mom did like it. 30 seemed so old you can't imagine when you are a teenager that you will ever be that old! Now I'm in my early 40's and can't believe it! When some 20 something guy calls me m'am I want to slap him after I figure out he's talking to me! Where does the time go? I still feel almost like I'm in my 20's... lol

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And the only one portrayed positively was housewife Hope.

Actually, I felt that in the end, Hope was revealed as the cold, occasionally shrill, brittle character she really was. She had moments where she came through for other people, but I always thought there was a dark side to her, and that came out more and more in Season 4. She most definitely was not a perfect person.

One of the reasons why I loved "thirtysomething" so much was because those single women -- especially Ellyn -- really resonated with me. I was relentlessly single at that time, and all the concerns they had about being relentlessly single mirrored my own. So I didn't feel that these characterizations were degrading to them, or to me.

People look for relationships, not to complete themselves as individuals or to "solve all your problems," but to share their lives with someone who understands. It's the sharing, even of the little things, that makes it special, as opposed to taking it all for granted, which I did back in my single days. So for me, that yearning and the search for the one -- and all the insecurities and questioning why it was taking so long -- that these single characters went through carried a lot of meaning. Because what they discovered (essentially the same thing I discovered) is that it isn't so much waiting for the right person to come along . . . though there's a fair bit of that, too. But it's also reaching a point in one's own development where you're ready for the other person that's the most important thing.

I also think that one of the things "thirtysomething" did was reflect society's perception of being single, and what single people have to go through in terms of dealing with those attitudes every day. A lot of it ain't pretty, and the series didn't attempt to prettify it. I worked as a newspaper reporter at the time, and I can remember our publisher announcing some kind of "family day" event, and how the paper prided itself on being a family organization, especially since the majority of employees had families. And even I, being a single person, went along with that . . . till I thought about it for a while. Then I realized something: the vast majority of people in the newsroom were single. So that "family" image was a facade. I pointed that out to my editor, who thought about it for a moment and said, "You're right." I could tell he was a bit shocked by that revelation, because even though we were working for him, up until that moment he hadn't really seen us in that light.

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I totally agree...Hope was definitely NOT portrayed positively. In fact, most people I know who've seen the show had the "I hate Hope!" reaction. She blamed Michael for everything and never took responsibility for her problems and disappointments. She griped constantly about Michael's work towards the end, without appreciating that his working so hard had enabled her to be a stay-at-home mom in the first place. And not just griped about the hours he worked, but that the work he did was contributing to the downfall of society. I guess she was more noble for contemplating an affair with the more socially conscious John Dunaway, or showing up at the homeless shelter, glomming onto one person, and criticizing the staff there for not doing more.

Hope was a perfectionist and that came to light in several episodes, even negatively influencing Janie.

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I think that they portrayed Ellyn just fine. Even now, she represented a strong single woman who dealt with her darkness.

Hope was a bitch. I mean the the kind of bitch whos obgyn must be a dentist, who successfully castrated Michael by the very last episode of the series.

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I can't believe I'm going to be the pragmatic voice in this (considering this s#!@ usually makes my head explode), but you guys are looking at this the wrong way. When I watch a show like 30S, it's like looking at life through the lens of a time capsule. Back at that time, women were often viewed the way the women were written for television. Not by (most) other women, mind you, except for those that tended to be a bit older and used to the kind of anticipatory view of a Woman in the Household deal. I actually am not bothered so much by it because at the time this show debuted, I was just a youngster entering the semi-professional work world and believe me, women were treated as such, if not even more sexist (I quit countless jobs as a result; remember, this was before Sexual Harrassment was 'illegal' and one had to decide just how much crap one was willing to take). So I look at this show like "Wow, I remember that feeling! I remember circumstances like that!" I even worked at a certain college that one of the castmembers worked at in the 90s and believe me, sexism was still alive and well--surprisingly, though, it was being kept alive by the older conservative WOMEN at the college (not to mention equally offensive attitudes re other prejudices). But, as the saying goes, we've come a long way, baby... we just have a bit longer to go. 

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