Descent worst two parter in TNG


After rewatching this I can't believe how they even got the get go to do this story as a cliffhanger, by my opinion the weakest two part cliffhanger in the series and maybe the laziest story they came up with, feels more like they mishmash multiple stories to form an episode.

Data turning evil was very cartoonish the same can be said of the way the individual Borgs were acting. Picard moving key staff members to search for one person (Data) and leaving the ship with an inexperienced crew lead by Crusher ( a Doctor !!) was completely out of character of him.

The story in the 2nd part resolves in a very simple and expected way...talk about a rush job.

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You mean "Descent", I was confused by your topic title for a moment.

Yeah, there's something about that two-parter I find obnoxious, I just tend to miss it out on viewing.

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How about that rifle that one guy was carrying. You knew that dude was gonna get blown away.

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If we're going count some of weird stupidity in this episode here you go this one is a classic.

Riker and Worf's team walking in a clear field and suddenly Borg surrounding them...A CLEAR FIELD !

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Yeah, but the Borg transport as well. They always seem to appear out of nowhere. I guess they saved $50 and didn't animate it.

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I kinda liked Beverly as captain. She didn’t mess around. The dude with chiseled features was a tool.

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Giving her command wasn't the issue with the episode. Picard forming a search party with most of the essential crew members on an unknown planet just to find Data wasn't the brightest decision he ever made, especially when there was a Borg vessel that could destroy the ship and keep them stranded on the planet.



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If I'm not mistaken, didn't they also early on in the series pretty much explain that Picard was supposed to be on the ship and not go to risk himself in the unknown places which pretty much gave Number 1 a reason to exist in the cast? Not that they stuck with their own canon.

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Yes that was the general rule unless the Captain thought his presence was important. This episode actually shoves many rules out of the window one of them is did Picard really need to be on the surface while that Borg ship was still out there in space !

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Sadly the more I have tried to re-watch the series the more I've come to realize that it wasn't that good. I think I was just so deprived of any science fiction on TV that I overlooked the problems with the series... although some things were impossible to ignore the first time around like the existence of Troi who just restated the obvious... Sure she had big titties and I think that was the only thing she really brought to the show,but for the love of god why would any organization like Star Fleet waste the the limited resources needed to maintain a star ship on someone like her that brought zero to the table.

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I think the most painful thing to go through a rewatch is going through the first two seasons which were really below average except for a few very well done episode. Seasons 3 and 4 are probably the apex of the series after that they just went along the formula of those successful seasons.

When I reached "Descent" I was like "how in the world I thought this episode was good when it first aired...it's terrible !"

Season 7 is probably the one where the writers were out of ideas and bored still managed to give 3 or 4 good ones including the highly rated finale.

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I still like the series. I’ve been rewatching it over the summer. The thing I’ve noticed is today I find the philosophical episodes much more interesting than I did when the series was first on.

“The measure of a man” is one of the more interesting episodes ironically written by an outsider during the writers strike in 1988.

I’m a few into season 7 and finding the season not as good so far.

The philosophical debate episodes are as far from the modern Picard series as the Enterprise was when Barcley sent it half way across the galaxy. Not a surprise really considering where modern cinema and television writing has gone over the last 15-20 years. Cliche and boring with lazy CG all over.

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My feeling about the 7th season is that they knew it would be their last, and so they focused more on individual stories for the various cast members, giving a lot of them some sort of closure. Some of those stories worked well, some not so well.

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Troi - “I’m sensing negative emotions on this thread.”
Everyone else - “ No, really, ya think?”

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What’s funnier is how every time Picard needs to go somewhere he’s thrown onto a tiny defenseless shuttle craft, or some random freighter, to hitch a ride across space for 3 days to get there. And of course every time the defenseless ship loses control without being able to contact anyone. There are at least 4 episodes where this happens.

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The episode was clearly concocted to resolve the storylines involving Data and Lore, while creating a possible new ally for the Federation; this was the bridge to the series' final season, which continued themes of family and relationships explored in 'Descent'. Themes concerning morality and ethics are presented by the amoral Lore, who seeks to dominate and ultimately subvert the moral and ethical Data as part of a sibling power-play; the issue of whether or not morality and ethics may be 'programmed' in individuals is a time-honored theme of science-fiction, and works well with sentient androids, whose programmability may itself be a moral or ethical issue. The sixth season contains no less than four 2-parters, which includes 'Birthright', an exploration of Worf's relationship with his father, as well as Data's relationship to his Creator. Worf is told his father is alive, a captive of the Romulans, only he's not, but Worf, because of his tormented family history, believes it to be true, and goes on a secret mission into Romulan space to find out. Data has a near-death experience resulting in a dream about his Creator, after which he repeats the experience. Worf doesn't get to meet his father, but Data does. Sorta.

I am not a fan of the 2-parter in this series. I find them all equally tedious. But ending a season with a Data story, a 2-parter no less, seems logical, given the season begins with a 2-parter about Data's 19th-century head ('Time's Arrow'). The series producers wanted 2-parters that could be compared to the Original Series' 'The Menagerie', often cited as one of television's most memorable. 'Best Of Both Worlds' established the end-of-season cliffhanger, which was also well-received by Trek audiences. After watching this I understand fully why this episode exists as a cliffhanger. And there are far lazier episodes in the series run than this, most involving malevolent aliens who hate the Federation.

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