The Romulans, the Klingons and the Federation of Planets all only exist in the Milky Way Galaxy?
I was looking at Star Trek maps and it looks like the whole Star Trek universe took place in the Milky Way Galaxy. If that is correct, that is highly disappointing. I thought they had the technology to go farther than that !!!
Why is it disappointing? The Milky Way is a huge, huge place, with over 100 billion stars in it. What's surprising to learn is that somewhere in the franchise someone says that they've only charted roughly 17% of the galaxy.
It also has to be said that whatever maps you may have seen are not official canon, and even if they were they're really not representative of what these factions actually control. Space is also, as you know, three-dimensional, and there's a lot that gets lost in translation on a two-dimensional map. So there's still a lot to explore just within the boundaries.
Frankly, it's a bit troubling for writers to have a show where the ship can go from one galaxy to the next as easily as it would be to get on a plane and go around the world. Because there's a lot of stories to tell, and it also makes the vast distances of space seem small, so that's an opportunity for drama and tension that might otherwise get lost.
Why is it disappointing? The Milky Way is a huge, huge place, with over 100 billion stars in it. What's surprising to learn is that somewhere in the franchise someone says that they've only charted roughly 17% of the galaxy.
It also has to be said that whatever maps you may have seen are not official canon, and even if they were they're really not representative of what these factions actually control. Space is also, as you know, three-dimensional, and there's a lot that gets lost in translation on a two-dimensional map. So there's still a lot to explore just within the boundaries.
Frankly, it's a bit troubling for writers to have a show where the ship can go from one galaxy to the next as easily as it would be to get on a plane and go around the world. Because there's a lot of stories to tell, and it also makes the vast distances of space seem small, so that's an opportunity for drama and tension that might otherwise get lost.
I think it's a lot of area, But watching the show, I thought more was covered more also.
I have a map, but like Wylde said, a map is deceiving. it's not like navigation on a flat surface.
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Making travel so fast trivializes it. Writers can obviously accomplish just as much limiting to just 17% of the galaxy. What's beyond that is irrelevant. Even that 17% is some 20,000 light years or so, which is huge. Our closest major galaxy is about 2,000,000 light years away. Generally, intergalactic distances are just absurdly tremendous and completely unnecessary for stories. If a ship can make it between galaxies in a single episode, then simple interstellar travel is insignificant and instantaneous. IOW, drama killing.
Guess what? Star Wars only happens in one galaxy.
So does BSG.
So does Bab5.
The vast majority of SG1 was only in one galaxy. The other galaxies were rarely touched on, very foreign, and travel to them extremely impractical.
Andromeda dealt with merely three galaxies, but that was thousands of years in our future.
So does BSG.
Guess what? Star Wars only happens in one galaxy.
So does BSG.
So does Bab5.
The vast majority of SG1 was only in one galaxy. The other galaxies were rarely touched on, very foreign, and travel to them extremely impractical.
Andromeda dealt with merely three galaxies, but that was thousands of years in our future.
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Okay thanks. Wow, they all only take place in our galaxy? That is interesting. One would not assume as much. I know I didn't. I thought Star Trek was flying all over the Universe.
I don't think so. It would be more interesting and more fascinating. Such episodes would only focus on the most important stories, points and information. We don't need less important stuff boring us and wasting time. I don't care so much about the characters and their personal stories. I want to explore the Universe and know what else is out there.
You could do that anyway with the amount of space we got in our own galaxy. Space is so big and vast that we can't really fathom the space within our own solar system. But, consider that by the time of Star Trek TNG, we've only been exploring space for about 400 years. If you contrast that from the time we started exploring our own seas, we've merely explored the local ocean shores, and not much else.
You could create a show or a series of stories where a group of people go out and explore other galaxies, but you'd have to think things through considerably. How are they able to do that, and with what technology? And how does that technology affect their culture, their way of life, how they work with each other, and how they solve problems? I can easily see such a future setting that is so radically different from our own in various ways, technologically speaking, that we'd find it quite alien and almost incomprehensible because of what it takes to span the vast gulf between galaxies. Of course, there are wormholes, which could be utilized by by the present Star Trek Franchise (especially as done in DS9). But, even if you can have a ship like the Enterprise-J (a Universe-Class Starship) that supposedly can reach other galaxies, if you're hopping from one galaxy to another each episode, you're really only exploring a very very very tiny part of that galaxy.
Stories are about people more than they are about technology and exploring. They're about people handling problems. Part of what a writer has to do when he's writing fiction is to create a dilemma that creates tension for the audience; how are they going to handle this dilemma? Part of that involves creating characters that the audience cares about in some way. They don't necessarily have to relate to the audience in every way, but relate in some way just enough to be believable and interesting. They don't necessarily even have to be good, upstanding moral characters if what you're doing is something like Breaking Bad, but they have to capture the audience's interest.
Without that, you won't have a story, and you won't have a show. If the characters are boring pills, whatever story you tell, however nice the prose is and how well the plot is, won't matter; people will stop reading or tune out.
I like modern technology and technological advances and innovations. Learning about future technology would be interesting and entertaining for me. As well as finding out what is out there past the borders of our galaxy.
You would still have stories about people solving dilemmas. The crew would still be there. My favorite episodes were about the Enterprise discovering strange and new phenomena, new worlds and new species. And handling the problems inherent with dealing with those new discoveries.
My dad is irked by almost all science fiction, but he was particularly irked by the Star Trek writers calling the different parts of the Milky Way galaxy "quadrants", which are essentially four quarters of a circle, a 2D measurement. The galaxy is more of an "oblate spheroid", a 3D measurement.
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Intriguing, Foe. Is he a scientist or something?
Sucks for him, I guess, huh?
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If one doesn't use quadrants, how else would one divide up a galaxy?
Well, there has to be some mathematical term to measure a "pie slice" of an oblate spheroid, surely?
Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?
If one doesn't use quadrants, how else would one divide up a galaxy?
Technically, it should be octants, but the writers tend to use two-dimensional thinking.
I'm not terribly savvy on the subject, but I've always thought our galaxy was sort of a semi-flat spiral.
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I'm not terribly savvy on the subject, but I've always thought our galaxy was sort of a semi-flat spiralIt is. The technical consultants on Star Trek are correct, and the previous poster's father is wrong.
My dad is irked by almost all science fiction, but he was particularly irked by the Star Trek writers calling the different parts of the Milky Way galaxy "quadrants", which are essentially four quarters of a circle, a 2D measurement. The galaxy is more of an "oblate spheroid", a 3D measurement
You can divide an oblate spheroid into four pieces too.
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Apparently, for DS9, the titular station was far from the Klingon Empire until it was narratively beneficial for them to be relatively close. We likely won't see many maps if for no other reason than to allow the writers as much flexibility as they desire.
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I think that in the future in Star Trek all of the different powers will have Transwarp or Warp 10 capability in the future, i mean The Borg were defeated at the conclusion of Voyager in Endgame, so their technology like Transwarp could fall into friendly hands, you just share it with all of your allies and give it to smart species that you come into contact with and share star charts, it opens the entire galaxy up to galactic trade and travel.
Not to mention that Transwarp Drive might allow the major powers to travel to other galaxies, the Kelvans were taking thousands of years at maximum warp to reach their home galaxy, Transwarp is infinite velocity and is very fast, might make it take only days or weeks, exploration would be a lot more long ranged, friendly allies in distant galaxies and new dangerous alien enemies.
So maybe the Transwarp Drive could open them up to intergalactic trade and exploration, but the risks and dangers would increase, and maybe their might be things in other galaxies that you cant get in your own galaxy, which would cause mining and trade.
The bad thing would be if The Borg ever left the galaxy at Transwarp speed and arrived in another galaxy, Borg Assimilation would spread to other areas and maybe they would rule another galaxy.
Absolutely Mathew. Wouldn't that be more interesting, entertaining and fascinating?
A real limitation on exploration would be the fact that you only have so many ships and a lot of them are needed for defense as well as transport and cargo carrying. You are simply limited in terms of the number of ships you could use for pure exploration.
Star Trek: The Magazine stated that unmanned probes are first sent to a system. If after a suitable period of study the system seems to warrant further study then a small science ship that can devote itself to that single system for up to a year might be sent.
You just can't take one sweep with the sensors and know all there is to know about a planet, you would need numerous sweeps over time and even more work would be needed on the ground.
If there is a civilization or civilizations present then I would think you would need a lengthy period of study to make various determinations. Those determinations would be along the lines of how advanced are they, how would they respond to aliens from another world visiting their planet, how do they communicate, etc. What exactly are their customs and would they regard first contact as an act of war or not are some other considerations.
The carbon dioxide you give off may be quite toxic to them depending on their physiology.
There would be so many practical issues involved that exploration of other systems would have to be slow and tedious and careful.
That sounds like real logic. How close was the fictional Star Trek to real logic?
If by logic you mean reason then I think some of what had been discussed or shown in the Star Trek universe would make sense.
Of course Star Trek is meant to be entertainment and not some sort of rock-solid documentary on how future space exploration should be conducted.
If the Borg had ever assimilated Santa Claus, they would be able to go fast enough to visit other galaxies.
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You should watch the classic TOS episode "By Any Other Name." It's the only episode I know of that deals with a species from the Andromeda Galaxy, specifically the Kelvin Empire. They explain how long it would take for the Enterprise to get there even after they've enhanced its engines and it still would take hundreds of years. The gorgeous Barbara Bouchet is in that episode, she's one of the hottest chicks in all of Star Trek.
Okay. I have seen it. They say in that episode it would take three hundred years to get to the Andromeda Galaxy. Yeah, she's good looking. I like bigger breast though. She is a little skinny. But she is good looking. Thanks Inspector.
The Kelvans had a high form of Warp like Voyager does though Warp 9.996 or something like that i think, they did not have Transwarp Drive, so it would take them thousands of years at that speed.
Transwarp is infinite velocity, you can cross the galaxy from the farthest spiral arm and system there to the other end of the galaxy over 100,000 light years across in seconds easily, as long as you have cordinates, with Transwarp you would just project a course to the location even other galaxies at jump to that point in seconds or minutes, at Warp 9 it would take thousands of years, the only problem is the Galactic Barrier blocking exit from the galaxy and the Kelvans got around that so anyone advanced could figure out a way through.
They just never needed a reason to leave the galaxy, but suppose the Voth who had Transwarp tried to cross the barrier or The Borg found a way through, wouldnt take much effort to make the Transwarp jump to the nearest galaxy and be there in minutes or hours, they could even set up a Transwarp Hub Network for the galaxies so they could send ships easily too.