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Has Star Trek Overused Time Travel?


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In its over 50 years of existence, Star Trek has had a LOT of time travel stories.

Not counting any novels (that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish), according to Wikipedia and counting 2 parters as one episode, there have been...
*5 Original Series episodes
*1 Animated Series episode
*12 Next Generation episodes (including series finale)
*10 Deep Space Nine episodes (though their first wasn't until the 4th season)
*12 Voyager episodes (including series finale)
*10 Enterprise episodes (not counting that Temporal Cold War stuff)
and
*4 Feature Films (more if you count references to that from the 2nd and 3rd New Timeline Films)

All that dealt with time travel in one form or another.

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*10 Enterprise episodes (not counting that Temporal Cold War stuff)


To my knowledge all time travel episodes were linked with the Temporal Cold War,Future Guy ,Daniels,the Sphere Builders and Na'kuhl were all different factions in the Temporal Cold War.

And TNG had an excuse to by-pass time travel by using the holodeck.

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Factions, Nex. I'm not criticising your spelling, but you ended up using a word with an entirely different meaning. Don't take offence.

Why are you here if you haven't seen the movie yet?

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Has Star Trek Overused Time Travel? Is that a trick question? Let me put it to you this way,
Is Helen Reddy?
Is Shecky Green?
Is Frank Lloyd Wright?
Is Bud Wiser?
Is Ben Gay?

Spenser with an "S", like the poet.

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Is Bud Wiser?


Depends on how much Bud drank if too much he won't be wiser. 

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Is Frank Lloyd Wright?

And did his wife find Mr. Wright? (works better verbally)

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To my knowledge all time travel episodes were linked with the Temporal Cold War,Future Guy ,Daniels,the Sphere Builders and Na'kuhl were all different factions in the Temporal Cold War.

yeah, you can't just go easy on Enterprise. it chose to be a prequel, but had trouble sticking to it.

Time-travel is a very tempting story to tell, because it opens up a lot of possibilities

unfortunately it's more often used as an excuse to include current day characters and locations. (Voyager going to early 21st century, Voyage Home going to 1984)

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yeah, you can't just go easy on Enterprise. it chose to be a prequel, but had trouble sticking to it.


For most part ENT did stick with it but the whole Temporal Cold War was introduced because the executives at the studio insisted on having a time-travel element in ENT ,which Berman & Braga actually didn't want to do at all as well as all the technobabble and too advanced technology. Berman and Braga specifically choose to do a prequel because they thought the concept of time-travel and (the holodeck) had become stale.Also they had wanted even less technology because they also didn't like that Trek since TNG had become a show of technobabble or a show were some sort of technology would come in at the end of the episode and save the day(like a deus ex machina).The reduction of technology (would have) had the advantage that the focus was more on the characters using their wits and stamina to overcome problems and to focus more on the conflicts between and within characters.

A Lot of what Trekkies didn't like of ENT(Temporal Cold War,Borg,too advanced tech,introduction of the Klingons,etc) was caused mainly by studio executives who didn't know anything of Star Trek or SF for that matter.Also after 2000 the former heads were replaced with new ones and they were sort of envious about the freedom Trek had with the former executives who basically gave the producers of Trek carte-blanche during the period of 1987-2000.ENT became a bit of a victim of executives who resented the freedom Trek had with the previous executives and suits who did not understand SF at all.

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which Berman & Braga actually didn't want to do at all as well as all the technobabble and too advanced technology

i'm sure that was the idea, but the holodeck, phasers and transporters were added fairly quickly to the show.

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The NX-01 didn't have a holodeck only one species of aliens(the one that impregnated Trip) had the technology so in that respect it could be argued that Starfleet heard about this technology and started to investigate holodeck technology for themselves.The transporters and phasers were added because the studio demanded that the new show had this technology because they assumed that transporters were always on a Trek show so this show should have one as well, although it was shown that the transporter only fairly recently had been given the ok for transporters to be used for living organic matter.
And those phasers we saw on the first season or two were not exactly phasers ,I believe they only got actual phasers at the beginning of season 3.The guns and weapons were not phasers but phase canons( phase-modulated directed energy cannon weapons a particle weapon) a predecessor of phasers.They also didn't have photon torpedoes but spatial torpedoes.

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Yes, Star Trek has way overused time-travel, though I can't blame them for doing so. Time-travel is a very tempting story to tell, because it opens up a lot of possibilities, and it can be good for character development, because invariably it presents a moral dilemma that tells us more about the character than we knew before.

But the problem with the way Trek has usually handled time-travel is that the characters are trying to preserve the status quo, and not deliberately trying to change anything, because they're under the rubric that if they do they may cease to exist (the Back-to-the-Future-dilemma). That can be fine, except when it's overused it becomes rather predictable for the audience, and the only thing keeping them from changing the channel is finding out how they preserve it.

TNG and DS9 handled time-travel the best, in my opinion. At least with TNG, when they had some sort of knowledge of the future, they hoped to change it in order to survive (Time Squared, Cause and Effect, and Timescape), and did. But, when it's something they have to preserve somehow (Time's Arrow, and Trials and Tribble-ations), while they can be charming, at the same time they aren't all that compelling in a dramatic way.

The two best time-travel episodes Trek ever did was City On The Edge of Forever (of course), and DS9 Past Tense, where Sisko has to take on the role of a historical figure in order to preserve his timeline. The first was an attempt by Harlon Ellison to introduce a major bone of contention between Kirk and Spock, and that was fiercely resisted by Roddenberry, for good and bad reasons, so he took it out. With Past Tense, we're seeing Sisko put into a position where he may have to die in order to preserve the timeline. These kinds of episodes are rare in Trek because the writers/producers really don't want to do anything that forces the characters to alter continuity, and at the same time want to ignore salient issues that would arise under such adventures. Kirk, having listened to Spock and allowing Edith Keeler to die, based solely on his judgment, should have kept that as a wound for a long time until it was resolved. It's unfortunate that we did not end up getting Ellison's true vision of what he wanted in this episode, because I think that would've kept Trek on the air for a fourth season.

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12 is a nice even number. 12 out of 178, isn't really that much.

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Overused? No. As noted above, that's a pretty small amount compared to the hundreds of episodes of the franchise.

I just don't think they always used it in an effective way, as also noted above (by a different poster). Just because it's a good story idea or tool doesn't mean it ends up being good storytelling. 

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There's weak episodes in every long running series.

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But you should actually add a lot of the holodeck episodes to those 12 since it was a plot device to by-pass the time-travel element.

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I enjoy holodeck episodes.

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