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The show hasn't aged well.


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I do love Morse to bits, it is a huge part of my life from episode 01, but I have to agree. What hasn't helped, and few of Morse's contemporaries have to suffer the same issue, is that Lewis and Endeavour are so well made, so modern in their construct, even for 1960s England, that Morse, stuck in the 1980s is bound to fair badly. It was ahead of it's time, but not far enough to save it from the spectre of Lewis.

Similarly things like Auf Wiedersehen Pet have aged, they can't help it, they are 30 years old. The one program that never ages, for me anyway, is Porridge.

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stuck in the 1980s is bound to fair badly


I've read things like this more than once. Considering that Morse started in 1987 and ended in 2000, it's really more of a 1990s show. Actually, you can see the changes in style and technology through the years. I don't find it "stuck" anywhere really as its a product of the time it was made. Like any show, it can suffer if people (in general; not anyone specific) prefer or expect shows to look like they are made the same year they're watched, regardless of whether they were made 20 or 30 years ago.

I know some people (again, general, not specific) don't care for what they perceive to be a slow pace. With so many shows and movies today full of car chases, explosions, shootouts, and so forth, Morse might seem sedate in comparison. We like it and many other British mystery series precisely because they don't rely on fast, loud, short-scene (for short attention spans) stories. There is something pleasing about having to actually pay attention and think through what's happening. It's more like reading a good book in that these shows keep us interested and engaged throughout.

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Very much a matter of opinion. One of our digital channels is showing Morse once a week, and apart from the 4:3 format I feel it stands up well. I would agree that production values for Lewis and Endeavour are higher, that's down to money and technology, but dramatically they are of similar standard.

I used to enjoy Porridge when it came out, but unlike lilactime2014 when it came back on the other month I couldn't get past the first ad break. And Ronnie Barker was such a talent, why didn't it work for me any more?

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Cannot disagree more. The show was an old fashioned type of seies even during it's original run. Personally I cannot abide either the Lewis or Endeavor series. They've compromised quality and intelligence for "modernism" and, by comparison, they just don't match the quality of the stories and scripts of Morse.

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I don't find it aged at all. It's sophisticated, intelligent & very British. Loving it.

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i still find it very enjoyable. my favourite episodes, like twlight of the gods for instance, i have rewatched many times. on the whole I think it is better than Lewis. I prefered lewis as the cheerful sergeant rather than the morose inspector.

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In some of the later episodes, you can catch Lewis looking and acting more like Inspector Lewis, especially those episodes after the one in Australia.

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Movie girl: Me too. I loved Morse and Lewis and the camraderie or repartee between them. There were many special episodes. To be honest I have not tried Endeavor or any of the Lewis series. My husband and I watch old Sherlock Holmes but just don't watch Morse without Morse. I guess I still feel grieved about our loss of John THaw. From what I have heard the original is still the best! Many of the stories were unique. The titles are so profound too! Sometimes a title will have a double meaning - Setting of the Sun, Service of all the Dead, etc.

I read somewhere that Colin Dexter the writer was one of John's best friends. He just couldn't write about Morse anymore when his friend was gone.

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On every film and tv thread there is always some simpleton who says the same mindless remark:

"This show hasn't aged well"

Really ? The show was set *IN THE PAST* and as such reflects attitudes, beliefs and fashion of that period. Furthermore, the Oxford setting with its historical backdrop has made the show timeless - unlike other American shows where the backdrops are now unrecognisable due to modern building development.

The Europeans have more respect for the past than the materialistic and wasteful Americans.



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Morse is most definitely not set in the past.
It was made in the 1980s and 90s and set in the 1980s and 90s.
And indeed, some of the older episodes look and feel dated - for example in the use of electronic music.

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There is the saying of fiction is not created in a vacum. any piece of fiction has the concerns, views etc of the person who created it. So some people may find it dated.

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I get more out of it every time I re-watch an episode though I leave some time in between

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Since the author of the Inspector Morris books lived in Summertown and "worked" in Oxford (he spent a lot of time writing in the local pub); there is much local color. Oxford, by it's very identity as college town is not likely to reflect what passes as the latest fads, etc. and therefore, to some, may seem behind the times. I'd even venture to say that this show is timeless as Oxford is timeless.

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People who didn't 'get' Morse complained of it's slow pacing upon original broadcast, so that's nothing to do with the age of the series - rather a matter of personal taste. Some episodes are certainly better than others and it was running out of steam towards the end of the original run (the later specials are largely excellent, though) but at its best, Inspector Morse was one of the finest crime dramas ever produced for British television.

Other than the bizarrely racist episode about the murder of a Japanese student, the first two series are especially strong.

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Thanks, Cherubim1 for responding in such an insightful manner. I'm so tired of people trying to compare apples and oranges. As I age, I realize increasingly people either like or dislike projects, regardless of age, based upon individual tastes. Quite often, we must agree to disagree.

As the quality of productions continues to fluctuate, I find myself drawn to the old "friends" of my youth. Consequently, I continue to collect classic British (and a few American) series on DVD. I watch them repeatedly and still laugh, cry and cringe, even if I know each line by heart. I have about 100 at this point, from the original Forsyte Saga to The Elizabeth Gaskell collection.

I just finally ordered the complete Inspector Morse and look forward to spending many thrilling hours with Thaw, Whately, et. al. Morse was also a favorite of my late mother and grandmother, so watching these episodes will help me honor their memories. I don't find this series "dated" at all, other than in the sense it took place in a specific time. My heritage is British, so I have been drawn to UK series since I was a toddler. Cherubim1's comment about the timelessness of Morse's Oxford setting seems spot on.

Unlike so many others, I keep my interest in Lewis and Endeavour separate from my love of Morse. I never have liked the American fascination with having to compare everything. Even when shows are related, they still fundamentally differ from each other. I adore Lewis, but I treat it as its own entity and dramatic world. I have no interest in comparing Lewis and Hathaway's interaction with Lewis and Morse's interaction. After feeling captivated by Shaun Evans' Endeavour, I have been in withdrawal enduring the long wait for the next series. Though this series is a prequel, I don't feel any need to compare it to Inspector Morse.

I consider all three of these series a gift from the "Mystery" gods, especially given the paucity of Masterpiece Mystery offerings this past summer. When I watch each one, I feel as though I were back in my beloved UK, while also enjoying the cat/mouse struggle between some of my favorite detectives and some intriguing murderers.

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Greenegg, that's an excellent and insightful post! Thank you for expressing many of my own feelings for me. I spent a Summer in the UK when my Dad was working there in the mid-'60s, so I also have had a strong fascination with British films and TV productions ever since.

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, Elynne! Thanks for your kind words and support for the puppy mill crusade! How marvelous to spend a whole summer in the dear UK, especially during the Swinging 60s, such an intriguing time!

I visited the first time during the Queen's silver jubilee with my grandmother to celebrate my HS graduation. I've toured various parts of the UK and Ireland 20 times since, including a magical 3-week trip to the Lake District and Scotland, during which a dear friend presented a paper at the Wordsworth Conference. We had met Jonathan Wordsworth years before at a conference in NJ; as it turned out, he died just a few years after our attending the WC, at the time they were celebrating their gorgeous new Jerwood Centre, which would not officially open until the following summer. The Wordsworth Trust's longtime director, Dr. Robert Woof, died just a year before JW, so were fortunate to have worked with both men when we did.

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Unlike so many others, I keep my interest in Lewis and Endeavour separate from my love of Morse. I never have liked the American fascination with having to compare everything. Even when shows are related, they still fundamentally differ from each other. I adore Lewis, but I treat it as its own entity and dramatic world. I have no interest in comparing Lewis and Hathaway's interaction with Lewis and Morse's interaction. After feeling captivated by Shaun Evans' Endeavour, I have been in withdrawal enduring the long wait for the next series. Though this series is a prequel, I don't feel any need to compare it to Inspector Morse.



Thank you so much for writing this. We are able to enjoy all three series on their own merits. We're in the US and, while we sometimes compare one thing to another based on our preferences, we don't feel the need to pick everything apart because it takes the enjoyment out of watching. I kind of used to do that for books I'd read that were made into movies; I was looking for the movie to be exactly as I expected. Years ago I realized that I was losing out on some great entertainment options, so I stopped. However, I will admit that the first time I saw David Suchet as Poirot, I said, "Finally! There's the real Poirot."

We like the differences between young Lewis and older, sadder, somewhat wiser Lewis. I thought the way they brought Lewis back to us and wove his personal story into a new series was very good. It took me a bit longer to enjoy Endeavour, but not because I was comparing him to the older Morse. Though I'm sure we weren't alone in getting a kick out of that little scene in the pilot: "Where do you see yourself in 20 years?" and he looks in the mirror and sees John Thaw's Morse. It's also fun to learn little bits of "the history of Morse" as the series goes on, but we don't compare one to the other.

It's nice to hear that we're not the only ones who enjoy all three series.

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Thanks, trixie30. It's always heartening to picture little armies of people who appreciate the same TV series, films, literature, etc. as we do. I can be a bit of a stickler, as well, though I try to enjoy each work on its own terms. I've had a really hard time doing that with the new version of Poldark; the adapter promised to follow the novels more faithfully, but has eliminated and/or changed some major characters, which will open huge plot chasms for future seasons. I don't like when people promise things, then fail to deliver.

I agree with you about David Suchet; I can picture him as Poirot while reading one of the novels. We all have that Eureka moment with various actors inhabiting legendary roles, though I have found I can enjoy several actresses who have brought Miss Marple to life. Jeremy Brett will always be Sherlock Holmes for me, while others prefer Cumberbatch, Rathbone, etc.

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I was going to disagree...

But over the last week I've watched all the Morse stored on my Tivo, the first and second seasons entire, then most of three, four, five and six.

And I have to say that 1 and 2 are... well terrible. Stilted dialogue, poor direction, actors I know are brilliant at their craft apparently left adrift in front of the camera.

It all gets markedly better with season three; the contrast is quite stark.

Now, having binged on Morse I'm afraid that I don't like him as much as I did. The jumping to conclusions, guesses that turn out wrong - sometimes badly so - the disparagement of Lewis. In a single drama it all makes for good story-telling. But seen in bulk it makes Morse look like an idiot.

Was it Strange or Thursday that said Morse was a good detective but a bad policeman? Watch too much and the first judgment is cast in doubt.

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This exactly. I used to watch this when I was young, only a few episodes a year, spaced a week apart, and time helped blur the awfulness of Morse. Upon watching on Netflix....the shoddiness of Morse's abilities as a detective and LUCK become clear, not to mention his disgusting behavior towards women, and inability to separate himself from cases/suspects when a pretty woman is involved.

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Was it Strange or Thursday that said Morse was a good detective but a bad policeman? Watch too much and the first judgment is cast in doubt.


It was Dawson in "Second Time Around, the episode with a young Christopher Eccleston.

It's a brilliant quote and sums Morse up perfectly.
'tler

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Yes, maybe start watching in season three and then go back and catch seasons 1 and 2 later. I just finished watching the entire series in this way, and watching it for the first time by the way, so I don't find it has aged.

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Well, I have only seen season four - very recenty, as a matter of fact - and I do not find the show dated at all.
The classical music, Morse's car, the Oxford architecture, and the general conservative visuals of the episodes help to avoid those jarring anachronisms as you get with many films from the same era (fashion, music, etc.).

Apart from the odd female dress and hairstyle, the only really outdated things are the computers used.

As for the tone and pace, I did not notice any major difference to Lewis.


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I'm wondering if the people who think that it "hasn't aged well" are very young and didn't live through the '80s. Maybe that makes a difference.
My POV: I loved the '80s ~~ the music, the movies, the fashions, and that time in my life when I met and married my 2nd husband ~~ so it's fun for me to revisit that time.
And I will always love John Thaw as Morse!

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Absolutely! Very young or older but failed to have ever learned that all things must be viewed in in the context of their times.

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