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After Spielbergs Munich, is this worth watching?


Just curious, there both based on the same novel. Munich looks amazing, this doesn't seem too interesting.

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WEll! I don't know if Spielbergs gonna blow up all of Europe in his new flick... But really why bother! This is the best spy flick in history! "Sword Of Gideon" will make Spielbergs move look like a wanna be!

Nothing beats Sword Of Gedeon!!!!

K.

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I saw both and agree with you! Far superior to Speilberg's MUNICH! Characters were the same, length of film was the same, only in Speilberg you get more violence.......who needs that!

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this was the best spy film n very realistic

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After reading these comments, I couldn't believe some TV movie was better than Spielberg's. But instead of actually watching it, I read this review and chose not to:

"It's an unattractive effort in more ways than one, and inferior to Spielberg's superb thriller in every aspect. The most appalling thing about it is its gutless refusal to face the thrust of Jonas's book, which is that violence doesn't work very well as a deterrent to violence...Anderson's movie expends all its energy trying to skirt the issue by padding every moment of moral doubt with uplifting music and taking narrative shortcuts whenever possible, consequently ending up untruthful to both the book and the real-life events Jonas recounts"

But this was my favorite part:

"The ending of Sword of Gideon left me speechless: Avner, the leader of the assassins, goes back home and heads his commando unit to victory in the Yom Kippur war. I mean, for cryin' out loud...So, to cut this short, I don't for the life of me understand why Spielberg would choose to pay tribute to a piece of sh!t like this."

(http://www.hippimple.com/the_hip_pimple/2006/01/seen_munich_yet.html)

Oh well.





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I wish someone had summarized your last comment ("Uninformed, desperate to seem intelligent, seeking same") so I didn't have to read your entire effort before passing judgment on it.

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Don't judge any movie by other's comments. See this when it comes on again. The original was much longer (3 1/2 hours or so) and split over two nights. I don't even know if it exists in that form anymore. Seems like Spielberg's effort is a rehash of this movie rather than the source material. Better actors for Stevie (but too many "Brit-Aussie-Jews" for me). Is Ciaran Hinds or Geoffrey Rush even remotely Jewish? Or Eric Bana for that matter. I can't argue the superior abilities of British actors, but how about some genuine Israeli actors playing Israeli parts for a change! Reminds me of the Indians in 50's and 60's westerns, (in fact, weren't some of those British actors as well?)
Steven Bauer's portrayal is far superior to Bana's aimless angst. Bauer has always been underrated as an actor and this was one of his better roles.
But really, rather than compare the two versions, observe them as compliments of the other existing for the purpose of comparison. Big bucks and big studio effort against tight, economic production telling the same story. This is one time that the experience is worth seeing both.
The implication of world politics and that realm of depiction by the media is far too minimal. When a story this good (and real) comes along, it should be experienced and absorbed thoroughly. Through different director's eyes and actors performances.
Just watch it with reserved judgement. It IS worth it!

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dpc69, i noticed you commented on the family honor film/ I've never seen it but I was curious to know how you came across the movie? I have a 20 second trailer without audio of the film and it's pretty much the closest thing I've seen from the film. I've been trying desperately to find it. My relative plays the main character and its the only film i have yet to collect of his. please get back to me on this. thank you.

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It's now on DVD.

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I agree with you--Munich was too politically correct! Too much angst and violence. I like this version better! Munich made Avner appear to be wishy washy and weak. That he walked away from another assignment showed he was neither wishy washy nor weak. He went on to fight as a tank commander in the Yom Kippur war where he fought his enemies face to face.

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I agree. Spielberg did not bring anything new in his movie. Nice copy of the Sword of Gideon, which was first and much better.

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This movie kicks ass. Definately watch it before you see Munich.

John Wayne's Teeth

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Whenever I notice that Sword Of Gideon is on, I make a special point of watching it. It's a pretty damn good movie.

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Hey katholiday, obviously you haven't seen Munich so you need to shut up. Munich is by far the better movie and probably will get an oscar nomination. Anytime Speilberg get his hands on an historical piece, it's an instant classic.

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I agree for the most part. Munich is the better-done movie. The acting was some of the best I have seen, and the editing/camera work was very good at reproducing an authentic 70s-feel action-drama movie in the same style as 3 Days of the Condor. It's definitely one of the best movies of the year and should be up for loads of Oscars.

However, I enjoyed Sword of Gideon more so than Munich. It can't compare in terms of production value, but I found Gideon to be far more enthralling. In Munich the main character is very well developed but I found the others to be somewhat lacking. They were all very well acted in the new movie (Eric Bana had one of the best performances I've seen yet - very powerful), but you just got to know more of the characters in Gideon, which in turn drew you much more into the story itself.

Truthfully I found myself often looking at my watch during Munich - it was too slow to be a great spy flick. Instead it was more of a historical piece showing the actions simply as actions, and illustrating the humanity of the event basically through a single character. In that regard it was excellent. Gideon on the other hand moves much faster and while is less gory seems more action packed.

Is Sword of Gideon worth watching now that Munich is out? Absolutely. Is one better than the other? I'll leave that to you to decide.

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I saw "Munich" yesterday and couldn't help compare it with "Sword Of Gideon". Although Steven Spielberg is an award winning director, I have to admit that I did like "Sword Of Gideon" much more. I just felt that Speilberg concentrated too much on the gore, and lost some of the emotion of the people involved. The Gideon version seemed to have more heart, and I felt the teams distress about whether they were just in what they were doing much more because of it. Now I want to rent the Gideon version again real soon.

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I couldn't agree with you more- I thoroughly enjoyed "Munich", but I felt that with all the production value, high level of realism, and a top-noch cast & director, it was lacking in one very important aspect- heart. You never really feel in "Munich" that these guys are doing something that they believe in, they're only consumed with hatred (like Daniel Craig's character) or they're simply following orders (Eric Bana)- pros doing a job. In Sword of Gideon, you never forget that these are men that believe in an ideal (Zionisim) and an idea (Israel). Vengeance is the title of the original book, and true vengeance is always for a reason, not because it's what you've been ordered to do or because you've got a chip on your shoulder. The coda to the piece, with Steven Bauer back in the army leading his troops in the defense of Israel in the '73 Yom Kippur War, seals it. Spielberg, while not, IMHO, taking an anti-Israeli stance, still tries to tell too much of a balanced story between the Israelis and the Palestinians. The result is that what could and should have been the heart of the movie is lost. For once, the TV movie out-classes it's big-league competitor against all odds.

Magnificent B'stard

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althought i haven't seen gideon's sword, i totally agree with your analysis of Munich, and you described perfectly what irritated me about Munich, the fact that in reality the head of the group never regretted what he did.

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Well, i love seeing objective views. So when Spielberg farts, i suppose you'll be waiting to bottle it up and sell as a magic movie scent?

Spielberg's tendency to twist history is worrying, more so given his stature among present movie makers. Everytime he touches a subject of historical importance, be it WWII or Israel/Arab conflict, like with Munich, Jews are like Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way. This two dimensional view is unbecoming for Spielberg, who i am sure would like to claim the right to be called a great filmmaker.

After Sword of Gideon, Munich brings nothing new on this subject. Even some of the scenes are copied almost shot for shot. Christ, is Spielberg running out of imagination? There are thousands of great, untold stories, waiting for someone with Spielber's talent and financial means to bring it to the screen.

But whenever i see those *beep* remakes (because let's face it, Munich is a remake), it makes me puke.

So, mate, Sword of Gideon *beep* on Munich (the film). the city is great. you know, actually juding by your comments, maybe you should do some travelling, or read a book. I presume you can read?



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You must be an anti-semite. I'm not jewish, but I don't think he makes them seem perfect. And no, I don't worship Speilberg. He's made some garbage before (War of the Worlds), but Saving Private Ryan and Schindler's List were movies that brought awareness to those subjects that haven't been brought in a long time.

Also, looking at both movies, the acting in Munich is far superior to SOG. As is the cinematography. Some people just prefer movies that they have seen first. As far as your little 'read' comment, can you at least be original? That's a chicken sh!t, juvenlie response to an opinon that differs from yours. It's an obvious attempt to try to insult me and make yourself feel superior. So save it for someone who give a sh!t....mate!

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"And probably will get an Oscar nomination," you write, breathlessly. The Oscars are the cinematic equivalent of Oprah's Book Club. And Sword of Gideon is Jonathan Franzen.

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I saw Munich.
It was no good.
K.

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The production isn't comparable to Munich (gore, quality), but this movie is much more enjoyable and watchable. I still like it more than Munich. Rent it.

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This movie has much less gore but much realistic compared to the "Munich"

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I watched sword of gideon about 10 years ago and thought that it was a great movie. Then when I heard Mr Spielberg was coming out with a movie about the same events I thought it was something to look forward to.

Don't get me wrong, Munich is a very well made movie. But to find that 90% of the same things I saw in Munich was identical to the scenes in Sword of Gideon.

What surprised me was that it was never viewed as a "Sword of Gideon" remake.

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Well, today I will see the difference. When I first heard of Spielbergs "Munich" I immediately thought of "Sword of Gideon" which I saw late 80ies, early 90ies. I remember it as a very exciting TV-production. And I'm glad that I'm not the only one to try to compare it with "Munich".

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I think that Munich was a boring movie, kind of moralizing and without any depth... I saw a lot of movies of Spielberg in which he is the great moral teacher. In this film it was more disturbing than in others...In my opinion the acting was poor. This could be the reason why I didn't like Munich that much. Probably it was also a mistake watching One Day In September of Arthur Cohn just before I went to see Munich...

Gideons Sword is not the greatest movie of all time and the 70s are not shown in that perfect way like in Munich. I watched Gideons Sword couple of years ago on TV and for a movie on TV it was quite interesting.

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I bought Sword of Gidion on DVD, and I will have agree. In some ways its a much better movie than Münich, but in other ways it isn't.

/Fred

I'm a Republican, and thats my opinion on this matter.

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Well Okay!
K.

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forget all the negative replies ...

both movies are worth watching ...

in fact munich was not necessary because it's mostly the same as sword of gideon


you could compare it with nikita and codename nina ... only munich is a better remake than codename nina

i watched munich first and than (just 5 minutes ago) sword of gideon ... and i was not disappointed ...

so watch both of them ... and have fun ...

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and btw ... they are based on facts ... not entirely but ... you know ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Massacre

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If you want a really boring movie where the characters or even their specialties aren't developed and yet still takes the same amount of time you should definitely watch "Sword Of Gideon." If you're looking for a movie with an over-the-top final scene which makes no sense because the main character really only has a surface struggle the whole movie, watch "Sword Of Gideon." If you're a Republican watch "Sword Of Gideon" because it will offend you less than "Munich."

Otherwise, don't bother.

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I'm a Republican... well, Libertarian if you wanna be technical, and I loved MUNICH. I thought it was the best film of '05. I found it to be gripping and thought provoking and by far Spielberg's best movie since SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. (It even convinced me that Daniel Craig can play James Bond) I haven't seen SWORD OF GIDEON yet. In fact, I hadn't even heard of it until a magazine did a short column comparing the two movies. Basically what I got out of the article was that SWORD OF GIDEON is all right for an 80's TV movie... although it made fun of a rope climbing training sequence. I am curious to see it, but I'll bet MUNICH is the far superior film.

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Sword of Gideon is the reason why Munich didn't win any big Oscars..."Gideon" been there, done that....

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