did she have to get raped?


that's the only thing I found really disturbing.. and why Jamie the otherwise decent guy?

did Nola feel a need to be "punished" for her behavior?

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Uhm, you might want to put the word SPOILERS in your subject line as a courtesy to others. Just a suggestion.

The answer is in the dialog. Jamie feels he "owns" Nola Darling and is trying to reassert control and bring her around. And it works (for awhile). I don't really see it as a rape so much as rough sex to wake her up to who Jamie really is and what it is that's driving her actions, not just where he fits in her life.

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I can see it being seen as rape but i think he was just frustrated, she played all types of games(yes he played along) but she suddenly says he is the one but came across as BS, so he lost his control and did what he did
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Are you justifying it? That's not what a "hoodlum" does, don't glorify it, it's what a sick person does...

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It was rape. Period

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During an interview with Cathy Hughes, she asked Spike if there was anything that he wished he could go back and change about one of his films. He said that he would eliminate the rape sequence in She's Gotta Have It. He said, "it had no place." People get older, people change, but I still appreciate his art, and what he was trying to convey at that moment. Even if he feels that it is inappropriate now. (not saying that I like to see women being raped).

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No, no one deserves to be raped, no one.

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To be technical, she specifically says in the movie that it was a "near rape", which would probably be referring to the fact that she never told him to stop. Extremely aggressive sex? yes. A true rape? no.

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Like AntonioDaniels said, she even referred to it as a "near rape". I didn't see it as a rape. She never said no and she wasn't struggling. Honestly, I thought that she called him over for sex anyway because she was masturbating then called him right after that. I didn't think it was supposed to be rape.

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You're right because she told him to make love to her when he got there then he said you don't want to make love you want me to *beep* you and the "near- rape" scene happened

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Infants who CAN'T say no get raped too. Not saying has no has bearing on whether it is rape legally or otherwise. My instinct says you are male (that's okay) - if not read even closer. If your mom did not say no, would it not be rape to you? People in a traumatic situation have 3 ways to respond, flight, fight or freeze. Nola was in the freeze category. Please rethink your ideas about rape, your daughter, in the now or in the future will thank you for it. God forbid she would need to.

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ROFL...it's getting amusing enough that men on a date are at a point where they must ask women explicitly for sex (no romance involved) to make sure it's not rape. I know that no means no, but if a woman is attacked and doesn't make any indication that she's not happy with the situation, what are the rules? It's rape if the woman doesn't want it, whether she ever says so or not? So I guess if it's consensual, but then later the woman decides it was a mistake and has regrets, that would be a rape too. Sounds like a man-hating womyn's argument to me.

When you talk about the person's mom, I have no idea what you're even talking about. If your mom did not say no, would it not be rape. Well, yeah! No means no. Apparently, silence also means no. Perhaps if she sneezed, that could be a no too in this magical world of hidden signals. I think you're looking for a world where with every thrust, the man needs to say "should I continue, should I continue, should I continue?" Sounds romantic.

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gribfritz2 says > ROFL...it's getting amusing enough that men on a date are at a point where they must ask women explicitly for sex (no romance involved) to make sure it's not rape.
Laugh all you want but it's no joke. What you may not realize is we're already way past that point now. I have heard some feminists say if a man doesn't call the next day a woman can consider what they did together, consensually, the night before to be rape.

These days, a man could get a woman's written consent for sex with a signature and still be accused of rape. There's a recent incident that illustrates this issue well. It's basically what happened to a young college-bound teen. It's been in the news. His life has been ruined because the girl claims he forced her to have sex. She willing took off her own panties so I guess she got that 'no' in at the last possible minute. Guys, better make sure you get your hearing checked first. What's even more crazy is the young man in question says they never even had sex.

Anyway, there are many texts going both ways that indicate it was prearranged and they met for that specific purpose. They were not dating and would never have just been together for any other reason. There are also several texts they exchanged afterwards that show the same friendly tone and no indication that she had been violated, was upset, or that anything sexual actually happened. She also told no one including a person of authority she talked to right after the supposed incident.

I wasn't there but I believe the girl only decided to scream rape after the fact. The word got out that she had met him for sex and she didn't want to look like a slut especially after her mother found out. Maybe she agreed to it because she thought it would lead to a relationship with him (he was a star student with a bright future ahead) but when it was clear that wasn't going to happen she could attempt to protect her reputation and get back at him all at once.

The boy either told his friends or simply let them believe something happened. Who hasn't done that? Watch any teen movie. It wasn't so much that he was bragging but it was a school 'tradition' for outgoing seniors to have sex with a girl they liked and had not been involved with. He probably didn't want to admit to his friends that they hadn't gone through with it.

The boy may be a liar but a rapist? How ridiculous! It just doesn't seem right to me. If they did have sex it was due to the bad judgment on BOTH their parts. Why does she get a pass but he gets marked for life? It seems a lot of women claim their sexuality until they feel used then all of a sudden they were pure virgins violated against their will.

I'm a woman but incidents like this really annoy me. I keep saying it, you girls need to start behaving more responsibly. Do NOT put yourselves in situation that leave you vulnerable. Yes, if you say no, no means no but for heaven's sake learn to say no a lot sooner. We all have a right not to board a plan too but if the plan has already taken off it's a lot harder to make the case.

When women, and yes, I am a woman, go back to saying no with both their words and their actions, these ambiguous 'rapes' will lessen a great deal. The word, rape, in my opinion is becoming a joke because it can be applied to anything. Just as it is a joke to refer to what happened in this movie as a rape. When I first read that header I wondered if the OP was referring to a different movie.

The guy behaved like a brute but she never tried to stop him; not with her words or her actions. She didn't behave any differently than if he had yelled at her, and, let's not forget, she wanted him to have sex with her. If she didn't like the way he did it, it can be called rape? Absurd! She also later went back to him and begged him to take her back because she chose him over the others who had not 'raped' her.

Let's get serious for a change. Under the current definitions almost any man can be a rapist but is that really true? I don't think so. If a guy is confused about what she wants, acts in the heat of passion, uses more force than she'd like, or does it in a way that's uncomfortable it is not rape. Sex in itself is often uncomfortable. The word has a meaning, let's stop diluting the meaning by using for situations to which it doesn't apply.


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I never heard her say "no". so I wouldn't considor it rape. but it sure was disturbing for me.

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Didn't Lola say it was "near-rape"?

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Nola did say to him that he raped her, but like others, I noticed she never once told him no or to stop. She did say he was hurting her, but he stopped after she said that.

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He didn't stop, he finished. She did tell him to stop

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The dude thought he owned her, or wanted to, with her twirling the 3 dudes around her finger the way she did, I don't think it's too far fetched a thing to have happen to her. I don't think it has much to do with she felt.

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I think it sheds more a light on the true nature of Jamie's character. Especially if you consider the ending (which I thought was pretty good).

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Not as disturbing as the OP putting a spoiler in the subject line.






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