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Why did Barnes kill Elias?????

I just learned that Barnes didn't kill Elias. Actually Barnes ordered Elias to kill him!

I looked it up on Wikipedia.

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While Barnes respected Elias as a fighter, he probably felt deep down that Elias's off the combat field behavior was a cancer or bad influence to the young men in the platoon.

Barnes wouldn't kill him right off, but in the heat of combat and if the opportunity presented itself, his actions fit with the story.

There are real life stories about no nothing lieutenants being offed in Vietnam because they put soliders in needless danger.

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I always thought he did it because he was pissed at him for hitting him at the village in front of everyone.

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No Barnes didn't order Elias to kill him, he told Taylor to kill him later but he was trying to call Taylor's bluff, unfortunately for Barnes by that point Taylor had slipped into the evil mindset that Barnes was in and therefore had no problem killing him.

But Barnes killed Elias because Elias was going to have him court martialed.

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Taylor and most of the others knew that Barnes shot Elias. But then Elias survived, but then was killed by NVA. Had he made it to the copter he would have been able to confirm he was shot by Barnes. Taylor didn't have an "evil mindset". He did what was right and inevitable in killing Barnes who was the evil one. But this film depicted so much evil on the part of the Platoon; there were those who sided with Barnes, evil ones like Bunny. And those who sided with Elias like Taylor. And then there was that Lieutenant who just closed his eyes.
Anyway, it's a classic film, one of the best on 'Nam!

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Taylor was slowly and slowly drifting into the mindset of Barnes, killing his own man in cold blood was the wrong thing to do but by the end of the film he did it without hesitation, Chris at the beginning of the film would not have done that. Throughout the film he was teetering on the line between good and evil and by the end he was over the edge and had become the new Barnes. Barnes killed his own man in cold blood and justified it to himself (if he gets court martialed then the platoon is going to fall apart (which is probably would have) and the men are going to get killed), Taylor killed his own man in cold blood and also justified it to himself. Fortunately he was saved by being allowed to come home where he will hopefully be able to regain his humanity. To win a war you have to do immoral things, there are no half measures.

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Remember when they discuss what to do about Barnes. Some said, let the Army take care of it. Taylor said no, because he knew probably nothing would happen to Barnes unless he did it. Yes, there was the fog of war, but it was clear that Elias and Taylor were the "good guys" insofar as a war could have them and Barnes and Bunny the bad guys.

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War is never black and white and Taylor was resorting to the same tactics that Barnes did and he found a way to rationalize it to himself. The moral thing would be to report him to military justice and let the process do it's thing, but instead he went around the system and did something immoral because he felt the ends justified the means (just like what Barnes did, he told himself that Elias was going to cause the machine to break down and he can't allow that or they might lose the war)

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Elias said he was going to report Barnes for the torching of that village. Barnes saw an opportunity and set Elias up. Either the Cong were going to kill him or Barnes was going to take Elias out where there were no witnesses. Recall that he ordered the privates back and went to 'rescue' Elias himself.

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This is the right answer, IMO.

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Because Barnes was a coward and didn’t want to be subjected to military justice and lose command of the platoon. Also Barnes was losing his mind from the war and couldn’t tell friend from foe.

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I think Barnes no longer gave a damn about 'justice, and right or wrong'

He was NEVER leaving His war defeated and took several actions that put himself in danger

On-Screen he was a hateful guy but you can sort of see how that situation could have driven men crazy

Barne's death was a big mess in that it ended the life of an excellent soldier to a questionable cause but also showed how violence corrupts us all

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Barnes did not care about morality, but he was scared of being subjected to a higher judgement, as in a military court. He didn’t want to lose face and be stripped of his position. He wanted to die an honourable soldier’s death, and Taylor granted him that.

Barnes was maybe a good soldier before, but as Elias said, he still believed in the purpose of the war and that what he was doing was worth it. He could not see that he was fighting a lost cause. Barnes was given too much power in the platoon and eventually became megalomaniacal. Barnes needed to be put in his place to be an effective soldier, but by the time the film starts, anyone who got in his way, Barnes would bully into submission or remove from the equation. Quite simply, Barnes became a bad machine.

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I politely disagree
Barnes was an effective (if somewhat immoral leader while things were sliding sideways for a cause he believed in)

He certainly did overlook brutal tactics (summary shootings, rape, arson)

Barnes had lost the script after 3 tours by then

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Barnes was effective as a fighter and tactician.

But Barnes was not effective as a leader. He did not train his men properly and allowed division to spread amongst the platoon. He was also insubordinate to higher authority. He also made poor decisions based off emotion. The village massacre caused a lot of damage to the platoon’s morale as well as their presence in the region, and strengthened the Vietcong. He also fragged the only capable NCO for petty, vindictive reasons. Granted, a lot of Barnes’ faults were the result of Lt. Wolfe’s lack of leadership, which was itself due to the inefficiency of the US military.

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You raised some good points
I should rewatch this excellent movie, thanks👍

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.....what?

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He knew he was what was keeping the platoon alive, by ratting on Barnes, Elias was causing “the machine to break down” and he wasn’t going to allow that.

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