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AR-15s used by Platoon Sergeants, M-16s used by soldiers..?


Just noticed this last night in the movie Elias and Barnes were carrying what looked like AR-15s?

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The smaller weapon is called the CAR-15. It was often used by soldiers in command positions such as the ones you mention, though I don't think there was anything systematic about it. I think the CAR-15 is used a lot in Vietnam movies owing to its exotic looks, but I don't recall seeing them terribly often. Same with the larger capacity magazines, aka "banana clips." Seems to me I saw CAR-15s and banana clips mostly with special forces and advisors with ARVN units.

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I have heard so much 'stuff' about the CAR15: Regular line officers (Anthony Herbert & Dave Hackworth) talked about it being 'junky & jammy'; SF guys talk about it creating a muzzle flash that will singe off your eyebrows; SOG Guys just LOVED the damned thing though for being compact, reliable & deadly as hell.

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This is false. Also, it is "for all intents and purposes," not "for all intensive purposes."

The M-14 was not replaced by the CAR-15. It was replaced by the "AR-15" (the AR standing for Armalite, the company most instrumental in its development), which was designated as the M-16 (and the M-16E1, the latter having a forward assist, the former lacking one) when it was adopted. Improvements quickly followed, including chrome lining for the chamber and bore, different propellent powder in the ammunition, etc.

The CAR-15 is a later variant of the M-16, and as shown in the film includes a very long flash suppressor.

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You know, I used to get upset when know-nothing idiots such as yourself would rant their ignorance with such wild, self-righteous abandon. But I eventually came to realize that the louder one screams, the more likely it is that they're doing so in order to drown out a truth that they don't want to hear. So, rather than describing the history of the development and adoption of the M16 as the primary service rifle (noting that the CAR-15 has never been so adopted, but was a variant that saw limited use until the adoption of the M4 and its variants), just let me Google that for you:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle

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Why not shut up boy! B a man and pipe down.

Spoiler alert for them spoil sports out there! Y'all like spoiled milk, stop crying over it!

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That's the best you've got? Seriously? I'm disappointed...

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you got owned idiot.

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You obviously have no idea what your talking about.
This is hilariously ironic, given that it is you who doesn't know what he's talking about.
No *beep* the "A" in AR stands for Armalite, but if you did your homework instead of looking like an idiot, you'd know that the CAR 15 5.56mm assault rifle was produced by Colt Co. in the 60's, which had taken over from ArmaLite. Colts first two models produced after the aquisition were the model 601 and 602. Even though they were clones of the AR-15, they were stamped CAR-15/property of US government .223 , with no reference to them being M-16's, which would later be adopted by the US AIr Force.
No, simple fellow, the 601 and 602 were not stamped "CAR-15". The 601 was stamped "COLT ARMALITE AR15", and the 602 was stamped "COLT AR-15".

This is a picture of a 601:

http://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/sitebuilder/images/601-Left-601x451.jpg

And this is a picture of a 602:

http://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/sitebuilder/images/BRI-22-600x480.jpg

Colt never stamped "CAR-15" on anything; that was just a marketing term they used for a while; it referred to a category of rifles and carbines, not to any specific one. Colt soon dropped the "CAR-15" marketing and later resurrected it to refer to carbine versions of the AR-15 (again, not any specific one; but rather, all of them as a group).
So yes, the M14 was replaced by the CAR-15.
Yes and no. The 601 and some of its successors were marketed by Colt as being in the CAR-15 family, but as I said, they never stamped "CAR-15" on any of them, and the military didn't refer to them as "CAR-15" either.
Stick to Call of Duty son, because you have no business talking about something you nothing about....boy! You shame the memory of one of the best punk rock bands of the 80's by calling yourself RodneyAnonymous. In this case, Jack @%# would be more appropriate!
More comical irony from you.

By the way, with regard to the carbines in this movie: they had 14.5" barrels and ordinary M16A1 "birdcage" flash hiders. There is a closeup shot of Barnes changing his magazine while he's hunting Elias, and it says on the side of the magazine well that it was made in the Philippines under license from Colt, which means it was a Model 653P. These were never issued by the U.S. military (though the regular made-in-Hartford Colt Model 653 saw limited US military use, but it was after Vietnam), so their appearance in this movie is an error. They are very similar to the later M4; they are basically an A1 version of the M4 carbine (early M4s were A2-based; current ones are A4-based).

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you said it exactly, well said Rodney

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An M-16 is nothing more than a military-owned AR-15. As a practical matter, AR-15s are generally semi-auto only (i.e. not automatic), since they're available to the general public. The military gets all its M-16s with the safe/semi-auto/auto selector lever because it can, being the military.

All of the 1st Cavalry Division's infantry units' general-issue weapons in 1969-1970 were the standard [auto-fire] M-16s; I don't recall seeing a CAR-15 in the 1st Cav in the year I was there, either in the field or in the rear areas. If someone wanted a different weapon (usually as a change of pace or as a novelty), and the rear-echelon armorer had them in his inventory, a guy could check it out for use in the field. My company commander carried a .45 "grease gun", and my platoon sergeant carried a 12-gauge pump shotgun; a few preferred the .308 M-14. Those with specialty weapons, like M-79 40mm grenade launchers or M-60 .308 machine guns, typically carried sidearms, usually 1911 .45 semi-auto pistols.

I carried an M-16 and, for a short while, a .45 1911. I soon returned the .45. I could only carry a finite amount of bulk & weight, and a .45 with ammo represented an additional two canteens of water that I could have carried, instead. And clean, palatable drinking water could be a precious commodity at times. As for the more exotic alternatives to the .223 M-16, weapon-weight, magazine-size, ammo weight, size, & availability, and ease of reloading (compared to the cumbersome reloading of grease guns & shotguns during firefights - not to mention additional .45 & 12-ga. ammo being hard to come by at times) were big factors that made most grunts stick with the M-16.

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As noted by others its was a CAR15, more specifically CAR15 Commando. Milpec nomenclature was XM177. All Special Forces Groups and MACV-SOG got significant orders of CAR15s. I have a friend who was a 1st SFG Green Beret in Vietnam. The new rifles were basically not wanted all around, so many of the earlier XM177E1s ended up getting bartered out to units like the 173d Airborne Brigade and the 3d Brigade 101st Airborne. SF guys would use M3 grease guns and M1 carbines near to the end of the war in the stubby roles. Many of the MAC-SOG E2s ended up getting bartered the same way to Force Recon units, as well as some big army units like the 9th ID that focused around the Mekong Delta. Elsewhere aside from LRRPs it is highly unlikely that big army units would have the CAR15. Only the 25IDs(The ID in Platoon) LRRP Dets would have had CAR15s possibly.

You're taking a dump and they call GQ do you pinch it off or finish your business?

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