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Director playing cruel game on Kim


Read this in the trivia on here:

Director Adrian Lyne used emotionally manipulative tactics on Kim Basinger during the shooting to elicit the performance he wanted from the actress, which Basinger later criticized harshly. For example, Lyne did not allow Mickey Rourke and Basinger to talk to each other off-set. The two were kept isolated from each other and Lyne would tell Basinger rumors about how Rourke intended to make her like or dislike him so that she would carry that attitude into the scene. Lyne would also offer Rourke performance notes, but Basinger none, in order to unnerve her. In a very unusual and expensive move along these lines, Lyne shot the film sequentially, so that Basinger's actual emotional breakdown over time would be effectively translated to the screen.
Why would a director purposely do this? Kim and Mickey are PROFESSIONAL actors and know how to act. Is this trivia bit true or just a rumor? I would never work for someone like that again if they tried to do this to me.



I'm not much, but I'm all I think about.

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I would guess it's probably true. It's important to consider that, while they are professional actors, he is also a professional director. It may be their job to act out effectively what he wants, but it's also his job to get them to do that. If they do it right based on his instructions, fine. If not, like if they aren't bringing the right emotions to the forefront, then he might find it necessary to encourage them in certain ways. I'd be surprised if directors didn't do this more often than not.

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I've read of other directors doing alot worse than that.

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Wow, had no idea about this. I understand wanting to get the maximum performance from an actor but I think this guy might've gone too far.

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dude some directors slap actors to make them cry

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How does that make it justified at all?

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I don't find that too off the wall, actually. My old boss (a very savvy litigator) once told me a story about an "old timer" lawyer he used to practice with. My old boss was an old timer, so this guy was really "old time." That is, back in the day of "chalk board" presentations. In any event, the guy was a master "southern country lawyer." (Except he wasn't a country lawyer; he was extremely wealthy, and a big shot city lawyer, etc). But, apparently, he used to make sure he had a "chalk board presentation" at every trial for "closing argument." But he would always purposely wear dark suits. Why? Because the first thing he would do is smear "white chalk" on his suit. This made him seem "vulnerable" and "connect" to the jury as a "country lawyer." Total manipulation. But, it worked.

Lawyers do it all the time. Everyone has their tactics. I had opposing counsel once bring an inhaler to closing argument in a toxic tort case (lung issues) and apologize to the jury as her "asthma" was acting up. It was a dirty trick and at that point you have to decide whether you want to look like a jerk and object or let it go, etc. I won't tell you what happened. But, it's tough, you accuse opposing counsel of a dirty trick and risk looking bad to the jury, get a side bar and demand medical records, which she may have brought, then the jury still knows there was a sidebar, etc., let it go and work around it, etc. Pretty impressive stunt, I'll give her that. LOL.

They even have rules where you have to stand behind the podium to deliver closing argument because lawyers like to go lean on the jury box and "get to know the jury" so to speak. (talk to them like a friend, up and close and "connect"). I've known lawyers to bring empty DVDs to meetings with the insinuation that they have caught the other party on camera doing things contrary to injuries. No words spoken, just a DVD, etc., and the mental job done can be amazing. No misrep there. Just a DVD, letting the other side wonder what is on the DVD (did they get them on tape running, with a back injury, etc?) Mind games galore....

Manipulation is rampant to try to garner a certain emotional response in lawsuits. Why not film?

I think I would actually be "surprised" if the Directors DIDN'T do this to their actors. It makes sense to me. Kind of brilliant actually.


Lena

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WOW! He pulled a Hitchcock minus the becoming obsessed with the blond actress though.

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This is the first that I heard of this. It's a little surprising.

Volker Flenske: (While torturing David) I don't know why you're doing this to yourself!

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Apparently the same thing happened to Shelley Duvall in the Shining. The director & members of the crew played mind games on Duvall so she would be more convincing in her role as the tortured, emotionally fragile, wife. Throughout the course of the movie when you see her running scared, jumpy and increasingly becoming emotionally unhinged, it wasn't an act. She was actually feeling all those emotions due to the director and crew's mistreatment of her off screen. Apparently, the director wasn't satisfied with Duvall's acting and so resorted to group bullying to illicit Duvall's terror for real.

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This brings to mind the controversy over the way Lea Seydoux and Adele Exarchopoulos were treated on the set of Blue is the Warmest Color. It definitely recalls a very similar type of abuse (to achieve an emotional response) and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens more often than we hear.

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Exactly. Same thing happened to Brooke Shields on the set of "Endless Love". Shields still mentions it to this day on interviews. It's probably not limited to the film industry either. I've read the same thing happening in rock bands, in the military and in corporations.

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not just those limited scenarios, believe me! ...and in families from parents to children it must happen, too. Wake up, manipulation - it's part of life, sometimes it's not acceptable, sometimes, apparently, it is. Personally, I refuse to use it as a tool, and I lose out a lot compared to those willing to use it.
But I've seen it go way too far, into sheer abuse, so I cannot bring myself to do it, in even a tiny way, ever. Bit ridiculous, but I'd rather be like this than all the people I see abusing others just to get a little money or power.

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True. There is such a thing as karma.

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Whatever Adrian Lyne did -- and I'm not condoning it -- I think he elicited a wonderful and breakthrough performance from Kim Basinger. She is one of the reasons the movie is unforgettable.

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