the bed scene


right after they have sex for the first time. what is that whole conversation? i could barely understand it. and what does it mean? thanks

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The one where he tells her, despite all his bragging, that she's his first? I think that's the conversation they have then.

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Well he doesn't say that up front, but that comes out. She's in amazement of the whole thing, and I believe hints about "expertise" and he ends up admitting that it was his first time as well. Then she becomes all emotional tearing up while saying "I was your first"...(or something like that lol.)

I'm not a bleeder, I'm a Hot Toddy.

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My mother, when she saw the film, commented on the film this way. "Women [at least some women] think highly of men, who think highly enough of women, to save themselves till they marry and have a wife." Thus, it is like a woman saving herself for the man she loves, but just the opposite. Of course, that he was still a virgin on his wedding night was due more to happenstance than choice. For when Guilford was roust out of that brothel, in that one scene, the only reason he was still a virgin, was that he was too drunk to get "it" up and keep "it" up.

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Unless, maybe, he preferred boys.

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That's an interesting thought. No proof one way or the other. Though, there had been kings in the past, who though married, did prefer, at least men, to women. And being that time in history, such interest created some problems.

Actually, in Suzannah Dunn's "The Lady of Misrule," which I recommend reading and which deals with the subject of Lady Jane's imprisonment in the Tower of London, the book's heroine asks Lady Jane's husband, Lord Guildford, who is also imprisoned in the Tower with his wife, which stable hand he prefers, and he says basically: Watch it! You are flirting with treason."

I don't know whether that scene actually occurred, or such a comment was actually treasonous, but . . .?! It is interesting to think that even accusing the monarch of being a homosexual was tantamount to treason. The penalty for which was death.

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In answer to the original question posed some nine years ago,,,,,,,. He confesses to her that he "passed out" through drink when he went to bed with the "lady of the night" that he had referred to when he first met Jane. He states that everything was "blank" because he was unconscious, so therefore they had both been virgins after all.

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