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Sato Would Have Won The Fight Against Miyagi

posted 10 years ago by MysticInvestigations
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For one simple reason. Sato would have taken it to the death while Miyagi would never bring himself to do that to anyone let alone his friend. In all his fights he never gave anyone a serious injury. In fact they tended to get up within seconds being perfectly fine especially in part 2 and 3.

If Sato had killed Miyagi I wonder what would have became of Daniel. I get the feeling he wouldn't have left Okinawa alive, or at the least he probably would have been stranded there with no way to get home.

[–] fourpointstars 10 years ago

Miyagi fled because he was no match for Sato. He was too much of a coward to face the death before dishonor code.

Danielle caught Chozen at the right time. He only wins because Chozen's head wasn't into the fight, due to his falling out with Sato. Even then, he just barely wins.

[–] MysticInvestigations 10 years ago

They all did beat those mystical little drums as well. So that might have intimidated Chozen, and gave Daniel some confidence that he was utilizing some amazing karate technique.

[–] fourpointstars 10 years ago

I believe that goes along with Chozen's head not being in the fight. Those rattles initiated a trance. Chozen was caught in it because his mind wasn't right. I've thought that Miyagay was a practitioner of the black arts. A "crane kick" is not even a real karate move.

[–] MysticInvestigations 10 years ago

You'd think once you go into the crane pose just about everyone would figure a kick is going to happen.

[–] hubcap18 10 years ago

The "to the death" business is BS. Dainel's nose honk (lamest finishing move ever) wasn't lethal to Chozen, even though he wanted to die. Daniel was declared the winner even though Cozen was still aliive.

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[–] benosheabutter 10 years ago

Oh thank God someone has common sense! "To the death" business was BS because the movie opens with a scene that spells "to the death is BS". That's what honk (lamest finishing move ever...THANK YOU!) meant. "To the death" is BS.

And then, the movie that has just stated that "to the death" is BS, since such intentions can be easily thwarted with the lamest move ever that drive the point that "to the death" is BS, asked us to forget all that and take the threat to fight "to the death" very seriously!!!! Are you kidding me? This crap opened by sh!tting on the concept, literally turned it into a laughing stock, and then made 180 degree turn and tried to make us rattle and shake in fear for Daniel's life????? Bahahahahhaha!

And then, they took another 180 degree turn and re-stated that, yep, just like you saw in the opening scene, "to the death" is still BS. Honk.

Worst movie ever.

[–] Tsavo 8 years ago

Uh... no. The film never said that to the death was BS, in the beginning, the film made the statement that Kreese did not deserve death, because living was a greater punishment, and the Karate was for defense only, which the first movie also stated. While Miyagi may have been against the idea of killing, the rest of the village was not, and clearly, the culture accepted the idea.

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[–] MysticInvestigations 10 years ago

That was my point Miyagi would not kill while Sato would. It wasn't BS for him.

[–] wears-alan 10 years ago

How do you know Sato would have killed Miyagi? Because he said so? Well by that very logic you could conclude that he wouldn't have. I mean he said he would never forgive him. He did. He said he would kill him. He didn't. Also, if Miyagis values were that it was worse for a man to live in shame than die an honorable death, then Sato's values may well have been the same.

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[–] hubcap18 10 years ago

Yeah, the "to the death" thing is an empty threat. Sato and his cronies never kill anybody during the course of the film. Chozen's a bully, but otherwise all they do is destroy gardens and commit other random acts of vandalism, murder would be a huge step up from that.

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[–] wears-alan 10 years ago

Agreed.

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[–] benosheabutter 10 years ago

This. in short, they were all full of sh!t. Talked the talk but when it came to walking the walk they took it on veggitables.

[–] fourpointstars 10 years ago

Sato was about to give that fleeting thug the death blow before Yukie brought them the update about Miyagi Sr.

[–] benosheabutter 10 years ago

Yuki or typhoon, that's a typical plot device where something/someone prevents a character from doing something that's considered negative, so that the audience doesn't see the character in negative light. You know, intention =/= result. So if you intend to kill someone but a person prevents you, you come off good. That's big bull but that's how it works. In this case, prevention of death blow and leveling the village with dozers meant that he wouldn't have done it anyway.

[–] nutsberryfarm 10 years ago

no way. sato was all hype.

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[–] Miyagis_Sweaty_wifebeater 10 years ago

Sato would have hit Miyagi with the "quart of blood" technique,

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[–] ScrystaLz 9 years ago

no I don't think that was the reason why he left, if I remember correctly, he left because the love of his life Yukie was arranged to be married to Sato. But Sato always thought Miyagi left because he was "afraid" that he would lose in a duel with Sato, which is why Sato always assumed Miyagi was a "coward", but actually, that was not the reason he left Okinawa...and Sato finally realized that in the end and asked for Miyagi's forgiveness.

we will never know who would've won in the duel between Sato and Miyagi because it never happened, but I think they would've been tightly matched.

[–] actionmanrandell 9 years ago

Nope it was answered in the movie when daniel said what would have you done if he had thrown that punch his words"block it" what you must realize is that even though Sato was trained by Miyagi's dad his dad was still vary much a traditional Japanese man what this means is Miyagi was likely still trained in the more important techniques in Karate meaning he was likely far better. also the director stated that miyagi would have won

[–] ScrystaLz 9 years ago

well, Miyagi never gave me the impression that he was really serious when he was fighting those people, for the most I always thought he went lightly on his opponents because he would only be serious in a fight if it meant fighting for his life or fighting to the death. Miyagi does not seem like the type who would waste much time or effort on petty fights. I seriously doubt we've seen the TRUE level of skills Miyagi has.

[–] nutsberryfarm 8 years ago

miyagi would crush him in the sake challenge.

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