The Goofs


Isn't it funny how people don't complain that photon torpedoes or catapillar drives don't exist in real life when they talk about other movies, but they'll complain about a fictional bomb in this one?

I also hate it when people make fun of the special effects in this. The special effects in this movie were about on par for movies of the time period, they just don't stand up to CGI effects of today.

Try and look at these movies in perspective. Otherwise you end up seeing a movie that wasn't meant to be.

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Not to mention the fact that the dictator was running for the stairs when he was up in the tower when it got blown up, then is seen on the ground a few seconds later.

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> Not to mention the fact that the dictator was running for the stairs when
> he was up in the tower when it got blown up, then is seen on the ground
> a few seconds later.

Well duh... maybe he had a super tall stripper pole to slide down:)

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Isn't it funny how people don't complain that photon torpedoes or catapillar drives don't exist in real life when they talk about other movies, but they'll complain about a fictional bomb in this one?
isn't photon torpedoes taken from Star Trek? are you seriously saying that a science-_fiction_ movie can't use _fictional_ stuff but Iron Eagle can?

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well personally i thought the film was good up to the point doug destroys al kareem airfield.. something about haveing your landing gear down in on shot going into a bombing run then droping the bomb with your gear up then a second later your gear back down again kind loses it for me. same with the dictator whos in the con tower that gets blown up and yet manages to make it down to floor lvl in a matter of seconds...

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"isn't photon torpedoes taken from Star Trek? are you seriously saying that a science-_fiction_ movie can't use _fictional_ stuff but Iron Eagle can?"

Actually, what he said is that if Star Trek can use fictional stuff, than a military movie should be able to as well.

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valid point but Star Trek is a science-FICTION movie while Iron Eagle plays in the real world.

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Note: Iron Eagle is fiction too. We can have high school kids infiltrate an air force base, and one of them fly thousands of miles to the middle east to essentially single handedly win a skirmish and rescue someone etc etc etc sheesh but no fictional weapons? Whatever.

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Star trek is also set in the future where Photon Torpedos could exist. I mean did people laugh about Star Trek communicators in the 60's? They are called cell phones now! And you are complaining about a fictional weapon when the plot of this movie is about a 16 year old kid stealing an f 16 and taking on an entire nations air force to save his dad? Talk about fictional! I liked this movie by the way.

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I can forgive the endless array of technical goofs, since the producer and director obviously had no intention of doing actual research or portraying any real world elements accurately.

The problem I have is identifying what the genre and/or point of the movie is...

Is it a teenage wet dream technofantasy, or a kids against the adults rebellion flick, or a macho adventure film that happens to involve a lot of teenagers? A producer/director really needs to identify from the very start what their approach is going to be, and stick to it. This flick is more like notebook doodles from a high school classroom, yet not!

Cartoons, or even something like "Who Framed Roger Rabbit", are easily enjoyed as fantasy, but this movie is so scrambled up, with constantly changing frames of reference (fantasy, adventure, spoof, etc.) that your feeling of either reality or non-reality is constantly confused.

It's such a mishmash of different points of views and ideas that it's really an awful cinematic experience. Really confusing, frustrating, and non-satisfying.

I even enjoy just watching stock footage of weapons and aircraft outside of actual movies, and this is less satisfying than that!

Oh and by the way... "CHAPPIE!!!!!"

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rockmail wrote:
I can forgive the endless array of technical goofs, since the producer and director obviously had no intention of doing actual research or portraying any real world elements accurately.


Research? No!! not at all. He just went out into his back yard, picked up about 10 $40 million dollar fighter jets, put them in his pocket, took 'em for a spin and started shooting. no thoguht or research would have gone into it at all!!!

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Actually, no.

He didn't "buy" ANY jets.

You can do the exact same thing he did. Contact a foreign air force, and offer to pay their fuel costs while they do some training. Take offs, landings, fly bys, some aerial footage, etc.

You contract with Clay Lacy and his lear jet (or others) to fly formation with the fighters, and he shoots the aerial stuff.

It's simple, takes no research other than storyboarding the flight sequences, and is done in one day.

There are many Air Forces more than glad to get take the deal for the fuel, as it allows them to fly more on their limited budgets.

I'VE ARRANGED FOR IT, simpleton, so get bent, and go learn something.

I was talking about a cohesive story line, not "research". And this movie SUUUUUUCKKKKS in that regard.

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I agree it's not the smoothest in the regard you are saying, but I think it's safe to say this was an adventure targeted to males under about 20. It's kind of like a Disney film in a way but with a bit of a harder edge, but still basically a kid movie. It certainly strikes me that I really liked it when I saw it when it came out and I was 16 or so but now it reminds me of other kid movies that I look at now and wonder why I thought it was so good.

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I don't think this movie was meant to be taken very seriously. I think it was more intended to be a fun teen movie. The main character was Doug Masters who was a teenage fighter pilot which there is no way that can be. Of course this movie has factual error in it. I thought this was a great movie which I saw again last night for the first time in years. It's a product of the 80's which turned out some great movies including this one. Don't worry about it being total fantasy and just enjoy it.

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Keep in mind when this movie was made. The F-16 was brand new and every military movie of the period wanted to show it off as the latest wonder weapon.

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I'm not sure if it was this first movie or one of the sequels, but I remember seeing a very heavy (okay, fat) lady in an Air Force uniform! I was pretty new to the AF at the time and there was a wait limit. That lady was definitely OVER the weight limit! Made the whole movie unbelievable to me - not that it was all that believable anyway. A fun movie though.

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Doesn't Chappy's change between all the movie he goes up and down in rank between 2& 3 & 4

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something seem to be bugging me about the movie is in some shots, we see the F16 with a CAT3 configuration, and then the aircraft does a barrel roll, all the drop pods and missiles have disappeared, then presto!, now the aircraft is in level flight back with CAT3 configuration again.

oh, and a CAT3 configuration is an aircraft full stocked with external fuel pods, and missiles.


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These are the goofs listed on imdb.

Audio/visual unsynchronised

During the celebration scene the audio develops an echo quality similar to recording from a live, amplified source.

The lock-on audio tone for the AIM-9 Sidewinder heat-seeking missiles is incorrect. The AIM-9, while seeking for a target, actually makes a growling tone that is heard by the pilot. When the missile locks onto a target the growl turns into a constant buzzing.

Character error

When Doug's dad is chewing him out, Doug says, "Come on, Dad!" His dad, obviously meaning to say, "Don't 'come on Dad' me!" answers instead with, "Don't come on me Dad!"

Before the race at the beginning of the movie, Chappy is working on Doug's plane. Doug asks "What are you doing making my mixture so rich?". The only things accessible through a Cessna's cowling hatch are an oil dipstick and possibly a fuel sump. The fuel/air mixture can be adjusted with a control on the instrument panel, easily accessible to the pilot in flight.

Many of the U.S. Air Force personnel repeatedly mispronounce Ramstein Air Base to rhyme with Bean. It should rhyme with Fine.

When standing outside Chappy's trailer, Doug mentions all the different weapons systems that he could have the F16's armed with. He says "all the 30 millimeter rounds the G-pod can carry". The F16 is armed with the M61 Vulcan cannon which fires 20mm rounds, not 30mm. The General Electric "G-Pod" was an externally-mounted cannon which was briefly tested on the F-16, but did not see widespread operational usage.

The names of U.S. air bases in Europe are mispronounced and misspelled. Torrejon Air Base, Spain, is pronounced "Tore-uh-hone", however, the maintenance supervisor mispronounces it as "Tree-John". Hellenikon Air Base, Greece was misspelled on Doug's aircraft display, and mispronounced by Chappie as "Helicon". It is actually pronounced "Hel-en-uh-con".

Continuity

All throughout the movie there are many continuity errors with aircraft in flight: changing between one-seat and two-seat aircraft; the number of external fuel tanks they are carrying; the number of weapons remaining on them. This also clashes with the dialogue, with characters claiming no weapons remain while subsequent external shots show the opposite.

In the shot just before Doug punches Knotcher, he is standing at least 15 feet away.

During the Cessna/motorcycle race, an under wing shot shows black stripes, the next under wing shot shows a red design on a white background.

When Doug is outside Chappy's trailer with the maps and info his friends collected, his hair is windblown and messy. Once inside Chappy's garage not a hair is out of place.

The weapons on the F-16 change from one shot to another.

When Doug and Chappy takeoff for the first time to train together there are 2 F-16s on the runway (theirs plus one more on the left side of center line), but when they show their jet rotate during takeoff the 2nd jet is gone.

In some scenes, Doug is driving a red 1966 Mustang convertible, clearly identified by the dash configuration, and the pitchfork quarter panel trim. In other scenes, He is driving a 1965 Mustang which is identified by the honeycomb grille and wings on the corral in the center (not installed on any '66 model)


Errors in geography

The brief aerial view of the oil refinery actually shows a desalination plant.

Insignia shown at Ramstein Air Base, Germany depicted the base as being part of the Tactical Air Command. Ramstein was never a part of Tactical Air Command, it comes under the command of United States Air Forces in Europe.

In the entire scene where Doug and Chappy are walking on the tarmac, the flight suit that Chappy is wearing displays incorrect patch(es). One in particular is a patch for the "131st Rescue Squadron - ALERT"; that squadron is located in California and have never operated F-16's.

Factual errors

Doug creates a wall of flame across a runway using the "Hades Bomb," a completely fictional weapon that does not exist in the U.S. Air Force inventory. He also fires an AGM-65 Maverick missile while on the ground, which is not possible in real life - the F-16's weapon system is inhibited by a pressure sensor in the nosegear.

While Reggie and Tony are blowing up firecrackers in the hanger, the mechanics are running around A-4 Skyhawks. The Air Force never used the Skyhawk, only the Navy and Marines flew it.

The M-61A1 cannon does not require a radar lock to shoot at a target, and is not affected by any operating mode of the radar. The radar could be turned off, and the cannon would still operate normally. In reality, no weapon that the F-16s carried in the film required a radar lock to operate. The AIM-9 Sidewinder air to air missile tracks via the target's IR signature, not a radar lock.

All Air Force members and/or civilians are not allowed to wear hats/flight caps on the Flightline. They can fall off and create FOD (Foreign Object Damage).

The cockpit and controls of a real F-16 are nothing like they appear in this movie.

Several enlisted personnel, including Hazel the administrative sergeant and the maintenance supervisor in the hangar, are grossly above Air Force body fat standards.

The "BA" tail code is fictional for F-16s. In 1986, "BA" was used for RF-4s at Bergstrom AFB in Austin, TX. F-16s at Bergstrom had a "TX" tail code.

All of the pilot's oxygen masks are not "tacked." Tacking a mask means the mask straps are sewn together so they don't come loose and fall out during flight. It is required by AFI 11-301, Aircrew Life Support Programs.

During the graduation scene where Doug is remembering flying with his dad, after they land, Doug's father, Colonel Masters is approached by a the guy he was flying with, a Major. During this scene, when Col. Masters is questioned by the Major about the maneuvers he saw and the music he heard, Col. Masters responds in a subservient manner and is the first to salute. A Colonel outranks a Major. The Major should always be the first to salute and should be the one to act subservient to the Colonel.

Towards the end of the film during the attack on the airbase, there is one shot in the film which displays a digital readout in the center of the cockpit which contains the word PRINT and a following function. PRINT is a command in the BASIC computer programming language and is used to display text in programs.

When Milo is using the computer to access intelligence data, the screen lists a "Su-19 Fencer." There is no such thing as a Su-19, the "Fencer" was an SU-24.
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Revealing mistakes

During and at the end of the race between Doug and Notcher, the Cessna 150/152's flaps are extended. Flaps increase drag and would be used to slow the aircraft. It is implied that Doug is flying at maximum speed to try and beat the motorcycle to the finish line. This couldn't be done with flaps extended. It is an obvious production necessity to make it appear that the race is close. Otherwise the Cessna would easily leave the motorcycle behind.

When Col. Masters is engaging the enemy in the beginning he comments that the enemy is flying MIG 23s. The enemy aircraft are actually IAI Kfirs.

The enemy fighters used in this film are not MIGs at all. They are Israeli Aircraft Industries F-21 Kfirs, which are French Mirage 5s that are modified and produced by Israel.

When Col. Masters is engaging the enemy in the beginning he comments that the enemy is flying MIG 23s. While his (simulated) radar image distinctly shows a MiG-23 Flogger with its wings swept back, the aircraft he is engaging are obviously delta-winged with canards.

When the enemy planes explode they are clearly wooden models that splinter rather than the fragments that metal would produce.

Many of the external shots of the aircraft during flight clearly show that these are remote controlled scale models. This is evident by the jumpy flight characteristics. Full size aircraft do not behave in such erratic manners.

During the opening, an interior shot of Col. Masters' cockpit is shown, showing the altimeter, vertical speed indicator, some red LED numerals, and a hydraulic pressure gauge. The altimeter reads 10,700 feet on the dial, but the hands of the altimeter are pointing to 27,220 feet.

During the opening shot of Col. Masters' cockpit, the VSI (vertical speed indicator) is showing a 2500 foot-per-minute climb, yet the altimeter is stable and is not showing an increase in altitude.

All aircraft used in the movie are not USAF F-16s, they are in fact Israeli AF aircraft. Their camouflage was not repainted, but their roundels were. In fact you can see patches of paint where US markings were painted over IAF markings, and where Stars Of David roundels were painted over. In addition, there are too many Stars and Bars US Military symbols on the -16s. There should only be four. One on the Top of the L wing, one on the bottom of the R wing, and two on the rear top of the fuselage between the wing and horizontal stabilizer. The F-16s in the movie carry six, one on both L and R top and bottoms of the wings.
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Spoilers
The goof items below may give away important plot points.

Continuity

Shortly before the final dogfight, a flight of six "MiGs" is shown on screen. One diverts to the airport so the Minister of Defense can fly it. Doug shoots one down and says "One down; one to go" when he should say four to go. He then shoots down another, and finally destroys the plane flown by the Defense Minister. This leaves three more enemy planes, but only two are shown pursuing Doug as he attempts to flee. The sixth and final "MiG" is unaccounted for.

Doug drops the Hades bomb to put a wall of flame between him and his father and the opposing forces. But if you watch the next scene the Hades bomb is still attached as he lands. It's gone again when the Masterses take off.

Factual errors

After the mission, General Edwards says that Doug and Chappy are accused of violating nearly every section of the National Security Act. Passed in 1947, the National Security Act simply reorganized the structure of the U.S. military. It didn't contain any provisions that could be violated and prosecuted in either military or civilian courts as specific crimes.

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I'll ignore the 500 other goofs, but will just focus on this one;

After Doug wrecks the Cessna he lands in; just that event in itself, would warrant the police, fire dept to come out to investigate. After that, Doug and his crew aren't going anywhere until the FAA shows up and fills out a report. Doug isn't going anywhere until he gives an entire interview. Then the police are going to arrest that "Notcher" guy (or whatever his name was) for attempted murder....etc. etc.

So basically, the movies over right after Doug wreck lands his plane.

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I like the fact that guns can make a sheet metal structure and a canvas tent explode into a pile of matchsticks.



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