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Watched this in University and people laughed.


I was beyond offended.

There was a guy in my class who honestly thought this movie was the funniest thing ever. Practically every shot of Floyra reacting to things, he laughed out loud. When the kid at the end was thrown into the church, he laughed out loud. Even at the end credits he let out a bunch of laughter because he couldn't hold it in...

I found all the scenes he thought to be funny extremely disturbing. But did ANYONE else find this REMOTELY funny!?

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Hey,I to watched this film this morning with some annoying guy laughing all the way through. If we are in the same class, he laughed through Das Boot as well and it pissed me off. However to be fare, when Floyra and the old partisan soldier steal the cow, that had its funny moments. Though my first viewing of this film over a year ago mortified me, and I found it very odd that some one could laugh so boisterously at this film.

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From my own days at school I seem to remember that certain kids thought it rebellious and clever to laugh at things they knew were supposed to be disturbing.

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combatreview said "From my own days at school I seem to remember that certain kids thought it rebellious and clever to laugh at things they knew were supposed to be disturbing."


Exactly. They're dull, childish retards, not the hard cases they pretend to be.

You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

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as this is a very disturbing and frightening film i would guess that he was laughing to hide the fact he was absolutely S**tting himself.

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It hides their revulsion and horror and is meant to show them as big men.

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Yep, totally agree. It's their way of acting clever while, ironically, coming across as retards.

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It's a way to show how jaded and cool they think the are. Ususally people don't laugh alone, thus either someone else was giggling or it was a deliberate laugh or for some weird reason he really found it funny.
I think Tarantino deals with this line alot, the line between the horrific and the hilarious. I can imagine him laughing at a movie like this, as he obviously doesn't think that film can portray serious subjects overtly.

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*beep* morons, some people just have to *beep* on everything, just to show everyone how cool and different they are.. *beep* useless morons.. there are too many ppl on the planet.. if there ever is a culling of the herd, i vote we off these useless, self absorbed *beep* first!

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Winter-is-Coming. Yeah, we're probably in the same class at the U of M haha. I hope he doesn't laugh through every film we watch. But this one I thought was especially disturbing compared to Das Boot.

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Agreed watersmells. And I guess we are in the same class,funny that even on the net its still a small world. Das Boot doesn't compare to the disturbing content of Come and See, but it is one of my favorite war films.

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The professor should have booted the guy for causing a disturbance. It's really juvenile behavior in a university class.

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Well, it depends. The person who was laughing could have been ignorant of the history behind this film. The scenes shot in this film were based on eye witness testimony although many metaphors were also used to convey the atmosphere of WW2 in Belarus. It's very easy to be ignorant of the history behind the film because people in the West don't often realise how terrible life was under German Nazi and Soviet occupations. These scenes are genuine. The Germans really behaved like this -- as said there is more than meets the eye to this scene and there may be some over dramatisations but beyond that it's true - over 600 villages with men, women and children were butchered by the Germans in WW2 in that region. People in the West also don't have a point of reference to such terrible events. In America the last war fought on home territory was the Civil War in the 19th Century, that's beyond living memory. They don't have missing relatives or can visit sites where entire villages were wiped out and which are now covered with trees - as you can in Eastern Europe from Poland to Russia. In Europe especially in the East, human life - and the life of civilians was worth less than the lives of their livestock. People in Western Europe - except those who suffered themselves and lost loved ones, would not be able to relate to these events as the Germans treated Western Europeans amicably in comparison to what they did to people in the East.
That's not to say that ordinary Western Europeans and Americans couldn't have gone through other personal tragedies e.g. accidents, crime and 911 - just that far fewer people went through hell in the West and so the social consciousness is different.

Then again the person in question could be immature, mentally deficient (mild forms of mental retardation exist), have emotional and behavioural problems such as anti-social personality disorder (even a mild form) and so lack the ability to empathise with the victim. He may also just not realise that unlike Nightmare on Elm Street this film is based on fact.

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"mentally deficient (mild forms of mental retardation exist), have emotional and behavioural problems such as anti-social personality disorder (even a mild form) and so lack the ability to empathise with the victim. "

Wow, that sounds pretty harsh but is probably true. Most likely though the person in question was probably just some *very* immature douche bag, that is no surprise because I have seen TONS of immature punks at the colleges I've been to.

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~~~~~"mentally deficient (mild forms of mental retardation exist), have emotional and behavioural problems such as anti-social personality disorder (even a mild form) and so lack the ability to empathise with the victim."~~~~~

Objectifying fellow members of the human race like this is, the sort of thing that gets the eugenicists sharpening their scalpels.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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Showing off in front of the ladies was he?

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It's because all Eastern bloc movies seem to use the same melodramatic overacting and reaction shots all the time. Not to mention the cheesy fireworks they used to show gunfire. I liked the movie, but a high school drama class who had the budget could have made it better. I don't know what it is with the Russians and making crazy faces on camera. An audience in 2010 can easily laugh at some of those ridiculous cartoonish close up shots. I remember watching the Russian "War and Peace" movie in a class and everyone was laughing at the reaction shots. You don't see that in Western cinema at all for obvious reasons. Can you imagine a war movie like Platoon or Full Metal Jacket that were made around the same with the protagonist making crazy faces to show emotions at the shocking parts? The acting and overall effects are in an entirely different league. It's almost insulting that this movie is rated up there with them. .

I know people will get all uppity because I spelled it out, but you know as well as I do that the cartoonish close up's and cheesy special effects take away a lot from the movie's quality.

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You did just fine, Clarence. Now go git yo'self some hot cornbread!

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Coleburg, I think the phenomenon that you describe depends on time, not on place. The cultural needs and the artistic means at every given period of time are comparable for different countries, such the US and the USSR, just like many other aspects of life, despite political and economical dissentions.
As for Idi i Smotri in particular, mind you it was released in 1985.
If you see any 'crazy faces' there, just look for what caused those expressions. Also, have you read the statement shown on screen before the closing?



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You must be joking mastholte. You can't possibly compare this movie to the quality of for instance the top American movies of the time period. As I said, Platoon and Full Metal Jacket were made around the same time. Apocalypse Now and The Deer Hunter that some idiotic reviewers have actually called inferior movies were made in the previous decade. It's not comparable at all. Reaction shots and close up's of crazy faces to show emotion have not been used since the silent era in mainstream American cinema. Hell the cartoonish Gone with the Wind made in the 1930's had more realism than this movie. At least they didn't use fireworks and flares to show gunfire and explosions.

The movie has a great script/story, but in reference to the topic, one can easily laugh at the technique of using crazy expressions in close up shots to show emotion.

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You did just fine, Clarence. Now go git yo'self some hot cornbread!

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I'm not joking. The movie in question was not made in Hollywood and it's not mainstream. Which means it gives you a chance to peep into a quite different reality.. A chance that you lose by trying to fit it into existing patterns for top, quality, realism, technique, etc. I'm not saying it's the best film in the world, no - but who on earth said it ought to have been shot like your favourite war movies, huh?? BTW, Apocalypse Now had crazy faces all right, and crazy phrases on top of that. I'm sure you don't understand the spoken language of Idi i Smotri, it would be helpful if you did.



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It was certainly mainstream for the USSR at the time. That's what I am talking about.

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You did just fine, Clarence. Now go git yo'self some hot cornbread!

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It wasn't. Year 1985 was exactly the breaking point in the history of the USSR, which ended in its break-up in 1991. Many works of art such as these could not reach the mass audience before Perestroika. And that period of rethinking the history was too short and too intense to be labelled as 'mainstream'. It was actually a burst of energy accumulated under the pressure.



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I really think "Idi i Smotri" is much better than "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket"...

I see no problem in laughing at some no-comedy movies. I always laugh at horror movies!(really think them funny).

But laughing at "Idi i Smotri" or other movies which go the same way... One can do that only if not following the story, the plot, and paying attention only to visual effects and acting.

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"Can you imagine a war movie like Platoon/-/ with the protagonist making crazy faces to show emotions".

I don´t need to imagine, I have SEEN that Stone´s cheesefest.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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By "the cheesy fireworks they used to show gunfire" are you referring to the tracer bullets that were actually used when shooting in the dark?

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"Not to mention the cheesy fireworks they used to show gunfire."

...... they used live ammunition for this movie along with real weaponry. The actors literally had bullets flying mere centimeters above their heads.

.. I ... I can't tell if you are being serious or a troll. This is by far the most realistic war movie ever made.

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Can you imagine a war movie like Platoon or Full Metal Jacket that were made around the same with the protagonist making crazy faces to show emotions at the shocking parts?


Not at all.

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Some movies aren't meant to be seen in such conditions, not really a funny movie, I think I only laughed when they were both crying, it was a funny scene because neither knew why they were crying and they also laughed when they realize it.

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I'm gonna be watching the movie real soon and I'm assuming it's one of those "let's look at the real reality that the media never tells" kinda movie

As much as I'm a black comedy person myself, I do agree there are things you just can't laugh at or mock(I only have very few myself, since I love pushing limits on many things in films)

But for instance, I can't find myself laughing at or mocking The Passion of the Christ, because I was raised Christian. Even though I'm not even a dedicated Christian or even living like one, I can't help but weep and feel just overwhelmed everytime I watch The Passion.

That's a perfect example I can give from my personal experience in films.

Again, I'm a huge fan of black comedy and I do laugh at some taboo stuff that aren't usually meant to be laughed at, but what really pisses me off is when someone just ruins the movie at a premier, a movie theater, or even watching it at a school or some university by laughing, or just doing distracting things.

I'm a huge movie buff and if someone does that while I'm in presence during the screening, I would literally flip out; I can tolerate if people find the movie dull or boring but if they RUIN IT for ME, that's when it crosses the line.

I wish I were there in that classroom with you and bashed his face in for ruining the movie, regardless of him finding the movie extra boring to him.

People need to realize that not all people go to the theaters to make out with girls or kill time; some people actually want to watch the movie, be entertained or sometimes even analyze them.

What has happened to the cinema in America.......

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When it comes to people laughing hysterically when watching terrible things on movies it is often a Psychological defense system.

Most often it is because they get really scared or shocked over what they see and to counter that reaction they start to laugh. Some people can't even help it they just laugh automatically.

I'm not saying that there aren't any idiots who just likes showing off or ruining movies for other people because those certainty exist too. This person might very well have been one of them, you should not remove the possibility though that he actually got very scared or shocked by the brutal things he saw.

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I haven't read every single post in this thread, but you're also overlooking another possibility: he laughed because it's a terrible film and Florya's reactions to things are trite and and almost comical in their clumsiness.

People on this board find it much more satisfying to adopt the smug stance that someone who laughs at this movie must be stupid, but don't consider that many people will also see this as a bad, ham-fisted attempt at a profound movie. I don't know if the OP's classmate is one of those people, but it's certainly possible.

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I don't know if you're an idiot, but it's certainly possible.

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I don't know if you're an idiot, but it's certainly possible.

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Wow, that was clever. Nothing puts me in my place like some hysterical child who has to insult me personally because I criticized a movie he liked.

Christ, that's so pathetic. If it wasn't so incredibly arrogant, I'd have to assume you're about twelve years old. I guess it's just your mental age.

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It wasn't anything to do with your criticism of a movie. You called the posters here 'smug' not two posts earlier.

It was therefore you who began the ad hominem attacks. Give it but can't take it much?

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit shootin' smack...

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Wow, you packed a whole lot of wrong into just four sentences.

Where to begin?

Okay, "smug" is not inherently an insult and it's not an ad hominem attack. And on the subject, let's look at some of the choice, mature terms that other posters used to describe people who dislike this movie (and these preceded my post):

"Dull, childish retards"
"Mentally deficient"
"Douchebags"

So don't play the "you started it!" game. I definitely didn't. And I defy you to refute my statement when fans of this movie are dismissing others as "dull, childish retards" or "douchebags." That's a textbook definition of elitism. You can't get much more smug than that.

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And you, o smuggest. Only a child would write it off as "stupid". I bet the kid was merely uncomfortable, and/or, as it was a class in school - he/she wanted to be disruptive.
"It may be okay to project, hell how are YOU gonna avoid it? But don't let it make you blind."
(In this case, just because you are stupid, or impatient and the like, doesn't mean other people are "smug" or pretentious for ADORING this amazing film!
Cool, huh, I put one of those loser quote things, [almost] at the end, but it was invented just for you).

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PS. I tend to try to avoid clichés, but you really are smart enough to get into serious trouble, but no smarter. "Ham-fisted attempt at a profound movie" - the sinister and piss weak nature of that line didn't sink in till a bit later. You, trying to be smart, criticising someone who has made a fabulous film, maybe #1 of all time to explicitly explore the horror of war. Get back on yr Yankee c ok (no matter where you're from) - I know, war films should glorify white people getting even, to be good - is that it? Not a real question, someone like you only answers from falsehoods anyway.

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"But don´t consider that many people will also see this as a bad, ham-fisted attempt at a profound movie".

Yeah, f-ck those people. Who cares what they "see".



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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I too made a chuckle or two when watching this with some friends, I think mostly it's a natural reaction to the film being so disturbing. At the end though, I can assure there were no laughs heard anywhere by any of us.

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It could be a defense mechanism, it could be genuine cold-heartedness, or it could just be that the laugher wasn't sucked into the movie like others were. Some people don't have the ability to suspend their disbelief and become emotionally involved in a film. By that I mean they never stop to think of the characters as real people, just as characters, so instead of seeing a bunch of bodies next to a house and thinking "That was the experience of many real people in the real world," they see a bunch of actors laying on top of one another in the nude, which is indeed a little absurd. Certain moments in this movie, devoid of context or sometimes because of it, are very bizarre (that weird mammal on the SS colonel's shoulder comes to mind), and some people laugh at bizarre things.

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I wonder if they'd be laughing if they were living through what was going on in that movie in real life. There are idiots everywhere, unfortunately.

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And why are they idiots? Because they don't like this movie? Or because they're not sympathizing enough with the character?

If it's the former, you're an elitist, pretentious ass (like most others on this board... what is it about this movie?). If it's the latter, that's a trite observation. I'll put it to you: Did you like Armageddon? or Crank? Did you laugh at them? Well, I bet you wouldn't if you were going through what those characters were going through!

That sounds stupid, right? Well, it's no less valid than your point. It only seems less because of this absurd conviction that this movie is "important." And that makes people overlook how trite this movie really is and how it can fail to connect with people.

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Mac, just wanted to let you know I didn't read your "response." Over time on these threads, you've proven that you have nothing more to offer than juvenile insults and emoticons, because your ego can't handle me criticizing this movie. A couple of people have managed intelligent counterpoints and I like debating with them. Intelligent people can handle criticism, especially considering that it's of a movie, is completely subjective and they have no personal stake in it.

You have nothing worth saying.

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You have nothing worth saying.
I know.

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See above. Not reading your posts. I'll read them when you have something original and intelligent to say and when you can understand criticism without acting like a petty, hysterical child whose fragile ego is so wrapped up in their cultural tastes that you can't handle criticism of a movie you like.

Naturally, that won't happen. Toodles!

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