K-Pax ripped this movie


This is the original film that K-Pax was a ripoff of.

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You are absolutely right. There wasn't even a mention to the original; what a shame!

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When I fist saw a trailer for K-PAX, I remember thinking "wow - a big budget American remake of Man Facing Southeast". The more I read about the film, the more I noticed a lack of any reference or credit to Man Facing Southeast.

I rented the DVD of K-PAX to see if any of the bonus material would explian the connection to Man Facing Southeast. Again, no reference. There is a brief comment on the "Spotlight On Location - The Making Of K-PAX", where producer Lawrence Gordon mentions reading the 1995 novel "K-PAX" written by Gene Brewer.

I went to Mr. Brewer's website assuming that perhaps he based the premise of his novel on the story and characters from "Man Facing Southeast", and wanted to find out if that was the case or not. In stead, I found the follwing disclaimer posted:

"A NOTE FROM THE AUTHOR ABOUT MAN FACING SOUTHEAST: Universal Pictures has recently been sued by the owner of the English-language rights to MFSE. I first learned about this Argentinian film five years after I had written K-PAX. Any similarity in plotline between the two is, therefore, purely coincidental."

Well, that's a pretty big coincidence all right. You would think someone at Universal would have seen or at least heard of Man Facing Southeast. Don't they have people who research this sort of thing?

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Wait, so K-Pax isn't officially a remake? I've been putting off renting that until I saw Man Facing Southeast. (It's finally coming on DVD; my videostore carries the VHS but my VCR is busted.)

Anyway, K-Pax doesn't credit the Spanish original? WTF is up with that?!?

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Such coincidences happen... I read a book called Angustia (Anguish) by the Brazilian writer Gracilano Ramos. I recommended it to a friend who told me it was a ripoff of Sartre's Nausea. . . but. . . Ramos' book was written first, so I told my friend, who ripped off whom? However, I read many historical comments later that showed Sartre had never read Angustia, even though Ramos knew Camus quite well.

The two movies have similar premises, but they aren't all that similar, and the book is nothing like Man Facing Southeast. I think the author brewer is telling the truth.

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Wikipedia says:

"Complaints of plagiarism of the film Man Facing Southeast were made by its makers, and Gene Brewer and others connected with the K-PAX film were subsequently sued in November 2001. The complaint was later withdrawn, and Gene Brewer went on to release a memoir exploring his inspiration for the books called Creating K-PAX - or Are You Sure You Want To Be A Writer?.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-PAX_%28film%29#Controversy

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Yeah, I think K-Pax is not a rip-off. The book is kinda different also.

I loved both films (K-Pax a little bit more) and I see there are similiarities, but there's plenty of own ideas and different storylines on both films.
Not to mention the style of the films, "Hombre Mirando Al Sudeste" is much darker and private than "K-Pax"

Anyways, the theme is quite simple and typical, I've seen books and older films about the subject so... Producers of K-Pax could be telling the truth.

BTW, I'm from Argentina :P

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i just cant believe that people think this is a rip off of stupid crap "k pax". k pax is no where near as this movie in almost every single way.
k pax gives you nothing but a hollywood crap about that aliens can be funky. but in MFSE movies gives you a much deeper thoughts, like thinking about human's mentality and our vulnerability and so on... and mostly our skepticism about everything and so on...
there are so many books and movies out there share very similar stories. this is not one of them.
just drop it!
havent you heard of this quote "if something is a good idea, someone already thought about it." it is that hard to come up with a fresh idea. this doesnt mean that k pax is a rip off of this movie. i mean that it is very likely that someone else already thought about what you think. the frequency or coincidence of commonality.
i just dont care whether the director and producers knew about this movie. i am pretty sure they saw this movie. this is quite a famous movie. they must have seen it. but afterall, k pax is a very different and stupid movie that you just dont want to compare to. and that is what hollywood does anyway. this doesnt stop them from copying or borrowing ideas from. dont worry too much.
there are enough good movies out there to enjoy.

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Sounds like a bitter post. K-PAX is non hollywood in many ways. K-PAX deals with similar ideas that you've mentioned about MFSE. Skepticism, human vulnerability are all there. And a lot more.

And borrowing ideas is not a bad thing. Ideas can never be copyrighted. Nobody owns any idea.

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Indeed, I agree. That's why non originally scripted films have three different levels of screenwriting attribution : "Based on xxx" for direct adaptations, "Inspired by xxx" for loosely adapted scripts, and finally "Based on an idea by xxx" for scripts derived from a gist, a summary or a basic structure. K-Pax lacked all three. I presume only cases 1 and 2 can be copyrighted, but even though the idea providing guy cannot copyright his idea, he is still credited and paid. A far cry from the case of the thread.

Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.

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Coincidence, my ass. This is so disgusting!
Not only should they have researchers who research, but as filmmakers of any caliber, they would know a film like the original existed, and as people with a modicum of a conscience they wouldn't dare go ahead with this....coincidence, give me a break. who the f... would buy that??

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Wow, I realize that you wrote this post nearly a decade ago, but I still have to comment. I am in shock about that "disclaimer". No WAY was that a coincidence! I saw MFSE first, a couple years before KP came out, and when I saw KP it seemed like a poorer, Americanized, remake. I didn't even bother to look for a credit to MFSE, because it seemed like such an obvious remake. There is absolutely NO way that two people could have separately come up with that story, it's identical. I'm fuming.

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The worst part about all of it is how unbearably BAD the newer movie is.

My god, that movie was bad. I even saw it for free and it pissed me off what an awful ripoff it was.

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K-pax is such a great movie... I love it, and there's no way that I could ever think different about it even if it were a ripoff...
Maybe tomorrow I'll see the so-called original argentinian movie and I will write my thoughts.

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I've met and spoken to Subiela, just last year, and he was very upset upon coming to America to support another of his films to find that Hollywood stole his art. It is the most blatant ripoff imaginable. At the time that I spoke to him he was putting into motion a lawsuit so that he could see some of that money, as he struggles in Argentina to find budgets for his films (and all are as brilliant as this one).

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6 billion people in the world and just TWO can't have the same idea without it being called plagerism? What is this crap?

K-PAX was marvelous.

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I totally agree with Anzerion. As if the idea is so original that nobody in the world could come up with a similar one, or indeed come up with it again *eye roll*. I bet if I invested 5 minutes of my time I could find a dozen movies that deal with a similar topic.
If you read a book about two people falling in love then one of them dies, and then you find a book written some 5 years later with the same theme, do you also upset yourself and scream "RIP OFF"!!!1...? If so, that's sad.
I'm sure if we dug deep enough into this, we'd find quite a couple of movies who's stories are almost identical, but have nothing whatsoever to do with each other, without being rip-off's. Just cool down.
And at the risk of upsetting you again; K-PAX was an awesome movie. I can give the Argentinian obscurity one a chance, but I doubt I'll enjoy it half as much.

Cheers.

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I'm sorry to disagree with Koteas1 and Anzerion. Of course two people among a 6 billon population can have the same idea... in fact I had myself ideas that later become a total success in hand of someone else... but I never told nobody about my ideas before that... and none of that ideas were in the form of a motion picture... Is quite significant that between Man Facing Southeast and K-Pax almost 15 years passed by... so... I can not call that a coincidence... it was clearly a rip' off of Subiela's film... In fact... you two, people, should see both movies in a row in order to have a little basement for your arguments... May I call your attention to one scene of K-Pax? When Prot leaves the hospital and "travels" to North for a few days, when he's back he appears in the top of a tree... a copycat scene taken from MFSE... I must give some credit to Universal's scripts writers... in MFSE Rantes gets a lobotomy... Prot leaves earth... a little twist... It seems Gene Brewer has been reading about writing music without been accused of copying someone's work... If your write a melody that has exactly 8 compasses in a row that ressembles another music piece, it's a copy... But if you took The Fifth Symphony, and every 7 compasses you put one of your one, nobody can sue you... altought it's a full, ramblant copy...
Think about that...


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Hey dmarjos =)
I'd like to continue this discussion, because it's interesting to discuss different viewpoints on an issue. Please note that it's nothing personal, and also note that I respect your opinion, despite challenging it.

Alright, so the idea of the "tree scene" might have been taken from MFSE. But then again, borrowing ideas from other movies to portrey a symbolism or make the effect has been done in countless movies. How many movies feature a big fat boss stroking a black cat and giggling manically, as a symbol for "epitome of cliché bad guy"? That doesn't mean all the movies have ripped off the first movie that ever produced this image. It means they have adopted the idea. And I think the idea of re-using an idea or making a similar scene, that fits well into a movie but has been previously shown in another movie isn't exactly a rip-off. How many ideas do movies frequently copy off each other? Especially with action movies and car race flicks. There's elements that are often carbon copies of a pre-successing movie. That's not a rip off. After all, if ideas weren't allowed to be borrowed, where would we be nowadays? Every movie would have to be completely unique, not containing scenes similar or indeed almost identical to EVERY MOVIE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD PRODUCED BEFORE IT. Huh. Wouldn't work now, would it?

(Another example would be the Haunted-house genre. Technically all the movies encorporating the idea of a group of teens entering a haunted house then getting killed by an evil force would have to "apologize and credit" the first movie ever to come up with this idea?)

I think we could argue for ages about the definition of "rip-off".
What it means to you is obviously "stealing an idea and re-using it". In that case, something like a tenth of all movies produced would technically be rip-offs. I think you're a little bit too uptight on all of this.

You gave the example of music. According to you, every song containing a phrase like "I love you baby I miss you so" (to give a stupid example) is a COMPLETE RIPOFF off of all the previous songs which also contain this fragment of text? I think the song writer of song nr. 354 to use this fragment of text has heard it somewhere else, but has decided to encorporate it into a fresh song. The word here would be "inspired". Just like K-PAX used some older ideas, and re-vamped it. That doesn't mean it's a rip off, I don't think.
I agree with you about what you said about someone putting one unique idea between 7 stolen ones, but then again the 5th symphony is so complex that the probability of someone coming up with exactly the same melody again is very small. Therefore, if someone does do what you said, and then pretends to have composed it all over again, that would not be believable at all. That would be a rip-off - totally agreed. However, I'll repetedly state that the idea in MFSE is quite general, and it is very likely that people can come up with it again. The question is always; where do you draw the line?

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Too bad for the ego of some americans I see. Well, you can now see you surely didn't invent EVERYTHING. This is clearly a ripp off, and I understand it's quite difficult for you to admit that the most powerfull cinematographic industry in the world is stealing some 3rd world subhuman directors. I can only say your argument has no sence at all, you just need to read this website's description of both movies, they are exactly the same. Come on man, an extraterrestrial in a mental institution? that's not such a GENERAL idea.

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Yes, it is. If you'd have bothered to watch the extras on the K-PAX DVD you'd know that people in a psychiatric institute often claim to be extra terrestrials, so if you decide to write a novel about people in a psychiatric institute, you're bound to explore the aforementioned idea, I do think.
Besides, please refrain from stating assumptions. I am not American. I do not live in an english speaking country, but in a country in Europe. And believe me, I am not arguing because I want to defend America's film making industry (gee - last thing on my mind) it's because I wanted to state my opinion, just like you have the right to state yours. So stop bashing already, and accept that not everyone thinks that K-PAX ripped MFSE.
Thank you.

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Hi Koteas1... First of all, I'll give you a few points... you're absolutely right when you say that one scene doesn't make a rip-off... I agree with you in almost everything you said... but I can not imagine KPax being something else but a rip-off... Maybe I'm not being objective, since I'm argentinian and MSFE is one of the better movies ever shot'd on this lands... Nevertheless, the are too many similarities between the two movies... and KPax was released 15 years later... That without mentioning that MSFE was Oscar pre-candidate for best foreign movie in 1987... Anyway... you could at least take as serious the posibility that Gene Brewer "took" the general idea from Subiela's film... I mean... an extraterrestrial who cames to earth, found in the street, taken by a thieft, enclosed into a psychiatric institute where he tell to his doctor he cames from another planet, then he starts to help other patients to get better, and the doctor becomes obsessed with his new patient... is not a general idea that a writer could have almost 10 years of released a film... c'mon... Brewer's KPax book was first released in march 1995, while MFSE was released in 1986... And Brewer says the he heard of MSFE 5 years later... that's in 2000? 14 years later MFSE releasing? doesn't give it to you something to think about? ;) It does to me...

Daniel

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Hey Daniel

Now I see and I'm starting to agree where you're coming from =) Gene Brewer claimed not to have known about the movie? From what you said, that sounds pretty damn unlikely! I never knew MFSE was nominated. Now it does make the whole thing look a bit suspect. Well, I'm still not quite sure if K-PAX can be called a rip-off (but then again, that's just personal definitions here). However, I totally agree that Brewer should have at least said something like "I was inspired by MFSE and encorporated some of the ideas..." instead of denying that he knew of it, which, as I mentioned before, seems pretty unlikely. If what he's saying IS true though then K-PAX can definately not be considered a rip-off. It's just a question of if you're going to believe Brewer, and to be honest, I'm not quite sure if do. It's just like making a haunted house movie and then claiming to never have seen movies with the same theme before writing the script. That's just lame, and I'm inclined not to buy that.
Anyway, thanks for explaining yourself well, you have now changed my opinion.

Cheers =)

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Back in April, Fever Dog mentioned that this was coming to DVD. I still haven't been able to find it and no site (even in Argentina) makes mention thereof.

HELP

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Hi Koteas1. In fact MFSE never reached the nomination, but the pre-nomination. As surely you should know, Hollywood takes 5 o 6 foreign-language movies and then selects just one (pretty unfair, uh?) One of those was MFSE, and of course, there was a lot of writings about that... :)
I'm glad we finally came to a little agreement :) Btw... I'd like to keep in touch with you by email, by I don't know how to give you my address...

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'ey =)

Actually, I'm a total dweed when it comes to the oscars. I rarely watch them, and I'm not very informed either I'm afraid. Although I do respect the movies that get nominated and the movies that win. I mean I don't always agree, but then those movies do have that magic touch, don't they! I usually watch almost exclusively b-grade flicks and rather obscure ones =)
To get in touch with me outside the message boards, you can send me a private message. Altough e-mail is easier and more comfortable! Here's my adress, so you can send me yours:
[email protected]

cheers =)

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My main gripe isn't even that K-PAX was a complete ripoff of MFSE (which it of course was), it's that K-PAX is one of the most dreadfully tedious and boring movies since Ishtar.

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How can the fact a film was nominated for an Oscar (even though it wasn't) change your opinion about whether someone has heard of it or not? I'm sure there are many authors/writers (me being one of them) who wouldn't be aware of the plot of many Oscar winners. Maybe I have got your point wrong...

And what is it with people criticising Americans all the time on this site, just because you don't agree with an opinion? It made me laugh that you aren't American Koteas - you write brilliant English; better than most people who have English as their first language!

I recognised the K-Pax story from somewhere else, it wasn't this film, or it wasn't any of the books...only I can't think why it was familiar...
(perhaps I'm an alien....:S )

Oh, and I aren't American either.

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MFSE Might not have been formally nominated for an Academy Award, but it did win four other festival awards, including the Toronto Film Festival. Even if Gene Brewer spun K-PAX on his own, the script should have at least raised an eyebrow or two while the film was being produced. Gene Brewer might have a weak defense against charges of outright pliagarism, but the producers of K-PAX should have credited Eliseo Subiela, plain and simple.

Of course, the fact that the average American cannot even locate the continent containing Argentina on a globe will allow Brewer, et al's lawyers to convince a jury that Hombre Mirando al Sudeste is an obscure film from an obscure filmmaker from an obscure and insignificant country and could not possibly have influenced K-PAX.

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Of course, the fact that the average American cannot even locate the continent containing Argentina on a globe will allow Brewer, et al's lawyers to convince a jury that Hombre Mirando al Sudeste is an obscure film from an obscure filmmaker from an obscure and insignificant country and could not possibly have influenced K-PAX.


Your criticizing of Americans makes me think you just couldn't think of any other ways to support your argument, so you resort to personal attacks. Get over yourself and come up with some decent arguments that aren't personal attacks lacking any kind of base. Honestly, have you ever been to America, or associated with Americans off-line? If you haven't, then you've really no ground to stand on -- you're basically just making assumptions, and no one is obliged to take your opinions seriously if you're just assuming.

As mentioned, get over yourself.

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Have you seen the statistics showing how ignorant the average American is about world geography (or even US geography, for that matter)? About how little Americans really know about other cultures, like, for instance, film industries in other countries?

Have I ever been to America? You are making one incredibly dangerous assumption that I am not, in fact, an American myself. Being, among other things, a product of the American public school system, I most certainly have the right to criticize the sad state of American awareness of the rest of the world.

You're the one assuming. Thank you for making my point about how US-centric so many of us are.

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Just need to add this.

Watched quite a bit of Hombre Mirando al Sudeste (thanks YouTube), and there only seems to be a similarity in EMOTIONS of the alien. There's quite a bit of difference between the two. First off, if K-PAX did rip off MFSE, they have their conscience to deal with and shame on them for not giving credit. Secondly, not withstanding whether they did rip off MFSE or not, I strike K-PAX as being one of the best movies there ever was. Honorable mention of where the author arrived from the "gist" of the story from the original earlier MFSE would have been nice.

However, this is not the first (likely not the last either) time that we have seen a "borrowed" idea done incredibly better.

Consider. Flash Gordon. The B&W series, pretty cheesy, looks like they are using a fireworks sparkler for the engine of the ships, rooms look like cardboard cutout walls, and the space helmets look like fishbowls even real fish would be ashamed to swim in. You can buy the vids at any 99c store.

Time passes.

Flash Gordon, returns, incredible special FX, great soundtrack by Queen, great fighting, eagleman, traps, spaceships, Ming's seductive daughter, the works, the same story ? Possibly. But who can tell ?

Can someone tell me the difference between Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon ? Are the authors to be shunned for one perhaps copying a good idea from the other ?

It is not just one person that is involved in the creation or recreation of a story. But MANY different people. I don't think we can all point our fingers to ONE person in blame here. There was a combined effort in making K-PAX. I am impressed by it. I watched HMAS for a bit and while I saw some similar elements, HMAS is to be praised for its ORIGINAL story, leading up the inmates as if they were in a music orchestra to rally up against the doctors and authorities. K-PAX ? Did not have this. There was a far cry of BLUEBIRD, and 2 more tasks to accomplish. K-PAX is delightful and serious. HMAS while interesting is mostly comical and unlikely in the event it appears that this could not have happened in the real world.

The key component differences between HMAS and K-PAX is that HMAS appears and presents itself as a fantasy, a funny, interesting one, and perhaps a bit thoughtful and intelligent. K-PAX presents itself successfully as a serious, highly believable film. The key differences. K-PAX is cherished because it DOES hit home, it CAN happen to someone, may have already happened, and there is little evidence to point to the contrary. HMAS is fun and delightful but CLEARLY a fantasy film. Comments ?

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I'm not quite sure if I believe Brewer either when he claims that he never heard of MFSE. I think that one possibility is that he did indeed watch the movie, and decided that the idea was general enough to create a story of his own with its own twists. Perhaps after such decision (which would leave out crediting the maker of MFSE), and after the MFSE creator accused him of plagerism, Brewer, the movie's producers, and the like could have decided to just say it was a coincidense to avoid real trouble, which would be reasonable if Brewer considered his work individually different enough.

However, this is just stretched speculation. I've never even watched MFSE and don't know just how similar it is to K-PAX.

Also: I think its kind of unreasonable to expect an American science fiction author from the Midwestern US to have heard of a foreign-film that was "pre-nominated" for Best Foreign Film. I do however think that its reasonable for, as sewalk said, to think that "the script should have at least raised an eyebrow or two while the film was being produced"

Also: Why is it "unfair" that the Achademy Awards only chooses 5 foreign film nominees? The Achademy was founded and is based in the US, so I don't find it unreasonable that it concentrates on the films of its country/culture.

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(Ten years on...)There is a great difference between adopting various cliches and copying the entire basic structure of a film. The writer of the novel, not the film, is the copier. His explanations are unprovable, so we can only take his word for it. Why should we?

Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.

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NFW! K-Pax is indeed a copy of MFSE. When I saw K-Pax I waited in the final credits to see the mention, but ther was NOTHING. As almost an Argentinean I felt ripped off.

Koteas examples are absurd. I don't know why the producers of MFSE have not sued the K-Pax producers.

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When I was studying advertising, a good professor explained to me the notion of originality in very simple terms.

Nothing can really be invented that hasn't been there before in some way or another. Originality is when you create something by copying from many sources, then what you create can be called "new". When you copy from one single source then it is just plagiarism.

By that definition, K-PAX would just happen to be a plain ripoff...

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Ellipses are not the only form of punctuation.

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There are plenty of movies which are wrongfully called rip offs, but this is a different case. I have not seen Man Facing Southeast, but after reading its plot summary and seeing Kpax it is an extreme ripoff. There is a difference between similar scenes or similar plot and ideads, but this is the exact same *beep* story. I liked Kpax when i saw it, but I had never heard of this movie at the time and now knowing about this it makes me disgusted. You are being extremely ignorant. Movies about aliens in human form have been done before, but a supposed alien in human form that shows up a mental institution that helps the other patients and gives them hope then ends up dying( he doesn't actually die in Kpax but the ending has the same idea) and in the end wither or not he was an alien is up to your interpretation is more then a coincidence, its a rip-off. The plots are identical.

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That is not the point. In film making one has to shop out their ideas to make sure you aren't taking any chances of plagiarism, studios don't like lawsuits ya know. I like both films myself and I don't subscribe to coincidence in any way.

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Come on! watch "Man Facing..." and talk, if you saw it, and you still thinking thats only a coincidence and K-Pax its better, you have your taste in your a...

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Damn, that is so sad. He must be stuggling if he is making sequels (I have just rented "Corazon" Part 2, and will watch it tomorrow night.) I've just recently discovered him. When I read the summay of "Hombre Mirando..." I thought I was going to be sick.....I remembered "K-PAX" and what total CRAP it was! I can't believe Kevin Spacey went for it.

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I talked to Subiela also, and he said he loved the movie K-Pax and would drop his lawsuit against the studio.

Twigays are gay and your movie is gay.

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Oh, stop complaining about K-Pax. There's a very good chance he didn't know. Get off Brewer's case and stop whining. K-Pax is a great film.

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Yes K-Pax it is a great movie from a stolen idea, so what?
K-Pax it is just a movie and it would never be a classic like Hombre Mirando al Sudeste.

Cheers lads,

M.

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I saw "Man Facing Southeast" many years ago. It was a marvelous film; recalling the "Ode to Joy" scene still brings a smile to my face.

I saw "K-Pax" several years ago. It was a marvelous film. Although I was certainly aware of the similarities between the films' premises, I didn't regard it as a remake or a rip-off.

Someone once said that there are only 7 plots. So does that mean that all plays, movies, and books are rip-offs?

Enjoy them both, particularly if you're not into explosions, gun battles, and car chases as primary entertainment forms, and be grateful that the human imagination is capable of many, many variations on a theme.

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both movies are fantastic in their own right, but there still remains the mystery of if one influened the other.

Countless review(er)s thought it was a remake of MFSE, and when told it was not they were very puzzled.

Upon watching both movies back to back there are a number of striking similarities in the details of the characters and overall the plot. Here is what I found: MFSE-KPAX parallels:

-man (who appears out of thin air) ends up in a mental hospital claiming to be a visitor/ET from another planet
-doctor and patient relationship is core focus. A genius stranger and a highly intrigued but very skeptical doctor
-similar styles in how they correspond Rantes/Prot [R/P] seems to think the doctor could not make sense of their home planet, what it is like. The doctor would not believe R/P.
-R/P have similar feels as characters, exprerssions, remarks, etc
-both R/P feel the must tell the truth, and in doing so would have ended up where they are, a mental institution (striking parallel)
-both doctors question if their patients are scientists or physicists They are confused on how their patients have so much technical/scientific knowledge. Both seek the confirmation of the knowledge from experts (R=scientisit in laser lab P=astronomer at observatory(s)
-other patients engage Rantes/Prot[R/P] very much as he appeals to their needs (emotionally) and helps them, gives them attention, hope, encouragement
-R/P sends and receives info by staring into sky
- R/P meets with doctors children and has a touching effect
-doctor has levels of unhappiness in his life, out of touch with his child(ren)
- R/P write their notes in pencil and in a language others than English, a foreign symbol based language
-doctor pursues the real identity of R/P throughout the film in a very similar manner. Both are hjaunted by the mysteriouness and lack on information on their patient.
-in the end both patients last scenes show them in a catatonic state
(end)

Brewer claims no connection and says 'its a total conicedence!'. chances are... well you decide! this story has become a 'franchise' for Brewer, 3 books, major motion picture...alot at stake, but at the same time anything is possible so who knows.

Reviews of interest. I do not endorse anything in particular here, just the factr that is actually some deeper insight, discussion and review of the real fabric of these films:

Anywhere But Argentina (Brewer gawks “it’s a total coincidence”)
http://www.reel.com/reel.asp?node=movienews/confidential&pageid=18707
Alien from Argentina?
http://www.reel.com/reel.asp?node=movienews/confidential&pageid=14926

http://www.epinions.com/content_194004160132
http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117916190?categoryid=31&cs=1

Law suit filed in 1997:
Entertainment Law Digest | Film
Writer who bought English language rights to "Man Facing Southeast" says studios
stole concept and script. New Filing LA Superior. Removal CD


here is another review I found online that will add some more depth and insight into this discussion.
http://www.moria.co.nz/sf/kpax.htm

Upon opening, K-PAX was taken in and celebrated by the people who regard the mawkish, simplistic likes of Forrest Gump (1994), The Cider House Rules (1999) and Chocolat (2000) as profound understandings of the human condition. What was not mentioned in almost all of this is that K-PAX is blatantly plagiarized from a much superior Argentinian film Man Facing Southeast (1987). The film here at least has the excuse of being based on Gene Brewer’s 1995 novel, but nowhere in either of the book, Brewer’s two sequels or the film is Man Facing Southeast credited as source of inspiration, when the similarities are such that it is impossible that this could not have been the case.

Man Facing Southeast was a film haunting in the crystalline simplicities of its insight into the human condition. It created an amazing allegory for the life of Jesus Christ where the psychologist ended up being cast as Pontius Pilate. K-PAX is really Man Facing Southeast having been put through the Hollywood wringer. As part of the faux-liberal desire to offend nobody, the Christ allegory has been thrown out and in has come a lot of bland feelgood messages about believing in one’s self and cliché dichotomies that the simplistic naiveté of fools and idiots has a greater truth to it than does science-based rationalism. The film also retains the sense of ambiguity that Man Facing Southeast did of leaving us unsure whether the patient is delusional or really an alien. Both films sit on the fence between two clearly mutually incompatible explanations. Of course without the Christ allegory the story is much less effective as the parable of faith it was intended as in Man Facing Southeast. Although K-PAX does offer a slightly more compatible explanation with an end that makes it seem as though it could have been explained as an alien inhabiting another person’s body.

The film is made by British director Iain Softley. If nothing else can be said about Softley, one can at least complement him on the versatility of his genre hopping, with films traveling from Backbeat (1994), a fine biopic about the early days of The Beatles, to the Merchant Ivory-esque Henry James-adaptation The Wings of the Dove (1997) to flops like the wannabe cool computer geek thriller Hackers (1995) and the voodoo film The Skeleton Key (2005), to this which is really an sf film pitched to the American heartland, a science-fiction film for people who don’t like science-fiction. It is often quite a beautifully photographed film. Softley and cinemtographer John (Gladiator) Mathieson insert cool and hauntingly framed shots of light reflected through crystals, the New Mexico desert landscapes, observatory towers against evening skies, the night streets of Manhattan and one gorgeously showoffy shot of the shadows of the red flags on the map moving as dawn rises.

But for all Softley’s lovely photography, K-PAX is rarely a film that emotionally affects one with the haunting regard that Man Facing Southeast did. There’s rarely any of the sense that there was in Man Facing Southeast of the visitor come to heal the sick and the poor in spirit or of the uncanny charisma he exudes. Rather all this visitor seems to do is incite the patients to squabble over who gets to return home with him at the end - but there’s not even any accompanying explanation of why all the patients come to believe in his particular delusion. All we do see is little bits that cannot help but seem loopy - of him issuing instructions for David Patrick Kelly to find the Blue Bird of Happiness [another uncredited pillaging as this is actually a creature taken from a fairytale - see The Blue Bird (1940)] or Kevin Spacey talking to a dog. These are scenes where we are constantly aware of the film nudging us with its desire for affect and to find awe, but with only a slightly less accomplished a touch they are scenes that could have been laughed off the screen for their conceptual silliness. The most successful of these scenes is where Spacey demonstrates the planet’s orbit to a group of assembled astronomers. (If nothing else the film should be commended for going out and getting its astrophysics and Einstein right. Although one has minor quibbles - why would a visitor from a binary star system (systems that usually do not support orbiting planets, by the way) need to wear dark glasses ? Wouldn’t it be the other way around - that they would find the light on Earth too weak instead of too bright ?). Rarely does the film ever mount the debate of simplicity vs psychiatry into anything profound, all it has to offer are a series of glib, pithy tradeoffs between Spacey and Jeff Bridges. And when Spacey departs at the end, the film leaves us with surprisingly little more than a handful of feelgood cliches - “psychiatry doesn’t have all the answers to the human condition”, “that we should make the best of the here and now as it is the only life we have.”

Kevin Spacey’s performance was highly acclaimed and even spoken of by some people as award worthy. But one cannot help but feel that Spacey is miscast. Spacey is an actor whose specialty seems to be anonymous tightly bound white-collar types on the verge of meltdown or eruption of one type or another. Nobody delivers witheringly dry sarcasm quite like Spacey does. But he’s not the first actor that immediately comes to mind when you think of a character delivering hauntingly simple reflections on the oddities and contradictions of the human condition or radiating patient, understanding charisma. And when Spacey starts delivering Prot’s lines with the same arch tone that usually denotes the way he delivers a snide putdown, you realize this is not an actor who’s acting but someone who is merely holding himself in check. Jeff Bridges, who himself gave a much better performance in a similar role in Starman (1984), is more modestly convincing as the psychologist, although this is clearly a feelgood movie psychologist who blurs the lines of involvement with his patients much more so than professional decorum would allow in the real world.
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I'm going to throw out a possibility that is worth thinking about:
Suppose you are a writer, and you think to yourself, "What if a human being claimed to be an alien? And what if they really might be?"

Well, the natural progression from here outlines a lot of the similarities between K-PAX and MFSE. For example:

-The person would end up in a mental hospital, naturally.

-If they were really an alien, or really could be, then they would have extensive knowledge in certain fields, which would intrigue their doctor.

-The doctor, faced with such a patient, would most likely call upon the services of a specialist in the field the 'alien' seems to excell for help.

-It wouldn't make for a very interesting dynamic between an alien patient and a doctor if the alien didn't feel the need to tell the truth. The movie would become more of a cliche "gotta tap into this crazy guy's mind" type movie, which has been done and done again.

Now, given that the initial idea is a very interesting one, it's not impossible that the idea was explored by two different writers, independantly. If you can accept that possibility, it is also possible that the great number of similarities between K-PAX and MFSE are simply coincidences, based on a natural progression from the original idea.

So, azadude, do you think this might be the case? I mean, most of the similarities you've outlined could be explained this way. But maybe not. I don't know if I'm convinced, but I'm not going to judge unless I'm given a more solid argument for the two being directly related.

Oh... and morza21:

" Too bad for the ego of some americans I see. Well, you can now see you surely didn't invent EVERYTHING. This is clearly a ripp off, and I understand it's quite difficult for you to admit that the most powerfull cinematographic industry in the world is stealing some 3rd world subhuman directors. I can only say your argument has no sence at all, you just need to read this website's description of both movies, they are exactly the same. Come on man, an extraterrestrial in a mental institution? that's not such a GENERAL idea. "

Yeah, it's all about the Americans' ego.
Get a clue about the world. 350 million people aren't fatheaded ignorant egotistical morons. But you are.

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"---man (who appears out of thin air) ends up in a mental hospital claiming to be a visitor/ET from another planet
-doctor and patient relationship is core focus. A genius stranger and a highly intrigued but very skeptical doctor
-similar styles in how they correspond Rantes/Prot [R/P] seems to think the doctor could not make sense of their home planet, what it is like. The doctor would not believe R/P.
-R/P have similar feels as characters, exprerssions, remarks, etc
-both R/P feel the must tell the truth, and in doing so would have ended up where they are, a mental institution (striking parallel)
-both doctors question if their patients are scientists or physicists They are confused on how their patients have so much technical/scientific knowledge. Both seek the confirmation of the knowledge from experts (R=scientisit in laser lab P=astronomer at observatory(s)
-other patients engage Rantes/Prot[R/P] very much as he appeals to their needs (emotionally) and helps them, gives them attention, hope, encouragement
-R/P sends and receives info by staring into sky
- R/P meets with doctors children and has a touching effect
-doctor has levels of unhappiness in his life, out of touch with his child(ren)
- R/P write their notes in pencil and in a language others than English, a foreign symbol based language
-doctor pursues the real identity of R/P throughout the film in a very similar manner. Both are hjaunted by the mysteriouness and lack on information on their patient."--

If you start from point one, the rest will follow. I actually had the idea for a similar project, before I had heard about K-pax or MFSE, about a mysterios character who are put in a mental institution, and becomes friends with the doctor. That is almost a given. The alien explains his home, and offcourse the doctor wont believe him. Still just following the plot where it is taking the characters. The alien is smart and the doctor, who naturally believes that he is an earthling thinks that he is just highly educated, and seeks to confirm his theories with the experts. Still the plot leading us along. Offcourse the alien is going to help the other parients. The is not only the natural plot. That is standard in movies about mentalhospitals. The doctor have problem of his own. Offcourse, or else the patient couldnt help him. Standard scriptformula. Offcourse the alien is going to write in his own language. The is just part of the natural plot. And then the doctor will try to find out who it really is. Still just the plot leading.

My point is, they are just following the plot. This is how any story that begins with point one: "Humanlooking-Alien admitted to hospital" would be. From there everything that follows is pretty much given and I dare any scriptwriter to begin with that premise and not get similar scripts.



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I've never seen K-PAX, but I'd seen Man Facing Southeast.

It came up twice in Roger Ebert's "Movie Answer Man" column http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20011021/ANSWERMAN/110210303/1023
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20011104/ANSWERMAN/111040302/1023

There first column is cut off, though. And he doesn't mention it in his review of K-PAX.

"Life is a hideous thingummy"

"Life is no way to treat an animal, not even a mouse"

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when i saw this film in 1986 i wept for its knowledge about photographs, memory, and argentina. the film was released right at the end of the generals and disappeared folks dropped from airplanes into the atlantic/electroshocked to death. the state psychiatrist is everyperson so guilty to have survived--to have survived his brain is metaphoric crumble through someone else's fingers. judging films is totally arbitrary/this is a truly great film

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The actual funniest comedy-format in germany called "Stromberg" is a pitiless ripp-off from the british series "The Office". The german production-company controverts the fact totally. prot says "Every being in the universe knows right from wrong, Mark." - but some vain and stupid beings don't.

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If K-PAX ripped this one or not, I think it doesn't matter, because K-PAX is far superior than this movie.

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Just to throw another log on the fire, MFSE was actually stolen from Murray Leinster's short story, "The Strange Case of John Kingman" 1948.

IMHO:

MFSE = better story telling
K-PAC = better entertainment

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Hey, I dunno if it has been answered yet, but I dont get it whats with...


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When I first heard of K-PAX I assumed it was a remake of Hombre Mirando al Sudeste, and put in in my mental 'to see someday' file - I have just watched K-PAX for the first time, July 2007 (okay that list of 'to see' films is very long).
Like others I searched for some credit/link to the original, which led me to this discussion.

I would like to share an overview for those who think it's just a coincidence, people are needlessly attacking America, or that it doesn't matter.

Firstly denial of the original sources is an economic decision, admission = profit sharing. Simple.

American studios, highly respected successful ones, have a notorious history of this kind of plagiarism.

One of the most notorious modern cases is Disney's The Lion King copying the story and characters of Osamu Tezuka's TV animation (Simba = Kimba etc). The Disney film had identical shots, and every character was a copy of a character in the original.

Despite so much factual frame by frame proof what really annoyed a lot of people was Disney saying that no-one working on the film had heard of the original Kimba or Osamu Tezuka.
No animator working on the project had seen the work of one of the most famous animators of all time (despite the fact that it had aired on American TV).

This also happened in Sommersby, the remake of French film Le Retour de Martin Guerre:
To cut a long story short:
Sarah Kernochan was drafted in to rewrite the script and was somewhat bemused to see that it was an Americanized version of "The Return of Martin Guerre" (1983). Warners denied this in a rather obvious attempt not to have to buy the remake rights, but Kernochan insisted that they do before continuing as they weren't fooling anyone. Warners eventually relented, and also gave Meyer story credit.

There is plenty of evidence, if studios think they can get away with it they will. Start with A for Amistad (Spielberg) and google away and you will find a long list of court cases where famous studios plagiarised other artists.

American studios are notorious for scouring the world for successful work, sometimes masterpieces; and producing dumbed-down versions replacing substance with mawkish sentimentality in an effort to appeal to a mass market.
This is a great disservice to the American people who lose out from experiencing original challenging work - and it generally p1sses off people from the countries of the original works, who feel their culture is being raped.

This is especially true of remakes of historical events, changed to cast America in the roles of heroes:
For example the film U571 - retells a British naval engagement as American, an affront to the families of the men who really died serving their country.(Also bad for the German crew of Uboat 571 since the film was named after the wrong submarine).
Need we mention the Last Samurai, in which an American single-handedly influences centuries of Japanese history.

People from other countries knowing that the American public is constantly receiving these plagiarisms and distortions of their works and histories is saddening to say the least. It does matter to rest of the world.

This is not a rant against America but against certain practices of the media at high levels. Of course Bollywood plagarises Hollywood films too.

I do see the point to remake certain works, for example, not every American is going to get The Office, humour doesn't always translate well, but in this case the work is franchised to America, France, French Canada and the originators get paid. The German 'unofficial' version eventually reached a financial settlement with Ricky Gervais and was forced to put his name as inspiration in the credits.
Personally I think other countries would benefit from seeing the original, and widening their experiences though.

I am not against remakes at all, in some cases they can draw attention to original not widely available films; and I am hoping that some people will seek out Hombre Mirando al Sudeste after reading this. What I am against are disingenuous lies for profit and marginalising original artists or cultures. I really feel for the Argentinian commenter. America does produce so many great films and especially creative TV series that it does not need to steal and lie; but producers can easily profit from audiences that do not care to look beyond their own culture or read subtitles.

For people who still think that K-PAX is a coincidental original, I say there are probably just too many coincidences. If you have seen Vanilla Sky but never heard of Abre los ojos, I say
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Kpax was barely ok but I found inappropriate that they didn't even made the reference to MFSE, being the latter a far superior movie.

And yeah, "Vanilla Sky" is a Rip-Off of "Abre los Ojos".

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Oh GOOD GOD!! Get a grip. Vanilla Sky can't be a "rip-off" of Abre Los Ojos, specifically because it as an OFFICIAL remake, credited and everything. Hell, they even got the same lead actress to reprise her role in the remake.

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I'm surprised by the amount of support for K-Pax on this board. That movie was an absolute mess of clichés and lame observations about the human race, coupled with some of Kevin Spacey's laziest acting, looking smug and offering banal thoughts on why humans are so ridiculous.

K-Pax is probably the worst remake I've ever seen.

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I'm surprised by the amount of support for K-Pax on this board. That movie was an absolute mess of clichés and lame observations about the human race, coupled with some of Kevin Spacey's laziest acting, looking smug and offering banal thoughts on why humans are so ridiculous.

K-Pax is probably the worst remake I've ever seen.


I generally like Kevin Spacey's acting, he's quite good, but K-Pax is totally everything you said about it, just didn't sticked in my mind like HMAS did...

In the other hand, Hugo Soto's acting in HMAS is magnificent, and also it is Lorenzo Quinteros' as the doctor.


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And also the very sad ending of HMAS (with death, hate, regret, etc) made it more credible than the clichéd happy ending of KPax with the crazy girl going to another planet, the doctor getting along with his wife and that stuff...

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yep yep. Hollywood cant help but give closure to every fu- ckin movie it spews out. Cant steal a film w/o giving it a happy ending so as not to make the average joe uneasy...... I mean feel for a minute

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I could talk to one of Subiela´s relatives who told me he was paid for the film rights

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