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Why is this a classic? I don't get it


I watched this film for the first time the other week, after having heard for years how much of a 'classic' it is. So I think it would be fair to say that I had fairly high expectations. Now maybe that's where I went wrong because I was just amazed at how bad it really was.

The plot was totally ridiculous and made no sense. Instead of feeling any tension or drama I was laughing all the way through at how every event just got more stupid and overblown and ridiculous.

Rutger Hauer is always a pleasure to watch, so I'll give it that. And it's always nice to see Jeffrey DeMunn :)

Maybe my problem is that I only watched it now, instead of back in the 80's when it was made? I think it would be fair to say that in general people expect a lot more from films these days, in terms of plot and script and character development etc. (I mean, some of my absolute favourite films from the 80's would be laughed out of the cinema if they were made these days).

I dunno, maybe the people who consider this film such a 'classic' can explain to me why? What did I miss? Because reading some of the posts on this board I feel like a saw a completely different film.

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What did I miss?


You didn't "miss" anything.
You are human, we all have different tastes.
Just cos a lot of people on this board talk about the film and hold it in high regard...does not mean you HAVE to.

Persoanlly I love this film, I think it's one of the best thrillers ever made. And John Ryder is just one of those cult screen icons.

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"God didn't create man, man created God"

I like this quote, but actually they are one in the same.



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If you thought this was stupid and overblown, what's your reaction to modern action/adventure thrillers you have seen?

Haha, wait until you see the REALLY stupid and overblown remake of The Hitcher. I guess you wouldn't have any of intention, though now. Face it, this sort of film was not your cup of tea, but i want to ask you.. by the end of it, did you understand the plot and make sense of it all?

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This movie is probably more of a classic to those of us that saw it when it came out. It was tense, didn't over-explain itself, and although we saw nothing of the killing of the girl, I think in our heads we saw it in all it's gory explicit detail! It was shocking at the time.

With regard to the plot, for me thinking on it more and more, once Halsey had challenged Ryder by throwing him out of the car, Ryder then began a 'game' and was thoroughly relishing the challenge of Halsey, taking what seemed like immense pleasure from having an opponent rather than a victim. In a way, the same kind of feeling you get on watching the first Saw.

I also think that Ryder really, truly did want to be stopped and that seemed like the most honest line in the film.

For some reason though, my fave scene is when the two children are playing in the car in front, waving at Halsey who waves back, only for Ryder's head to appear between the two children. Still gets me now.

What can I say, it's a classic lol


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The movie is a classic - but it is also very much a product of the times in which it it was made. If I am really honest - I don't even know what that means but felt totally obliged to defend this awesome film.

Kids today have been spolied with cgi and extreme violence.

The Hitcher is a classic - even today.

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did you understand the plot and make sense of it all?


Well, I *think* I did...although to be fair I was so bored/finding it ridiculous by the end that I'd kind of stopped paying attention a little bit.

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personally think it's damn near a masterpiece...

it's just so tense, and that tension only builds throughout the film. love hauer, and c Thomas howell is good as the innocent kid who's only mistake was picking him up.

"By the end I kinda stopped paying attention a bit... " sounds like you were maybe not in the movie mood... if this film doesn't lock you in - I don't know what would.

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Me, being a 25 year-old German dude having seen the movie just a few minutes ago, I must say: Damn, I loved it.

And, I found it absolutely gripping as well! Seriously, this was one of those rare (rare, in fact, because I watch so many damn movies all the time hehe) moments when I found a movie to be a real (and ,as it sadly seems to be,) a widely underappreciated.. gem.

On the other hand, I guess I'm not really a "mainstream" kinda movie-connassieur because my taste-range is pretty wide.

but for example: I watched NEAR DARK yeaterday and found it, well, quite nice if a litlle (or maybe MUCH) flawed. I watched Vice Squad earlier today- found it quite great, actually.

Then I watched THE HITCHER just a few moments ago and was like " Whoaaa, THIS is a truly great movie. I, too didn't care much for the slight "logical" issues. Atmosphere-wise and in terms of "GRIPPING ME!" it was just delicious :)

and Rutger Hauer...Where he could have gotten with that talent!

(I really only know him from Blade Runner, I think, which is kinda sad, really :|


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what's your reaction to modern action/adventure thrillers you have seen?


Well, like I said in my initial post, I do think people demand much more these days in terms of script, character development etc.
Don't get me wrong, I can enjoy a mindless popcorn action flick when I know that's what I'm going to get, but like I said, I think the problem for me with The Hitcher was that I was expecting so much more.

Which of course is totally my own fault.

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Really, have you watched the movies coming out, today, that share the same genre as the Hitcher? I see no character development and what script? All the script states is 'say something here' show blood, show gore, show throat being cut, hear a 'scream' show more blood, more gore, arm being cut, show killer chasing victim, slice...


I presume you're making a reference to films like Saw or Hostel? Or modern day 'slasher' films?
I have to say I don't particuarly rate these films either, and I completely fail to see how anyone could be impressed with the Saw films...but that's an argument for a different board...

Back to The Hitcher, I wouldn't have put it in the same category as these types of films at all. I was expecting it to be more of a psychological thriller.

You probably found it boring because of the lack of CGI and excessive blood, which is crazy to state because it had it's share of blood.


Totally wrong, and why do people always use this argument these days..."you probably didn't enjoy it because of it's lack of CGI".

CGI I can take or leave...it has its places in some films, but then completely destroys others.
Like I said above, I was not expecting blood, guts, explosions, action...I expected a tense psychological thriller (maybe something along the lines of Steven Spielberg's 'Duel')...but in my humble opinion that's not what I got.

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I have to say, (for the most part) it's good to see a thread where someone who disagrees isn't getting the usual "You're (insert insult of choice) for not getting it." arguments that usually abound.

I think The Hitcher is a classic, but having said that, I can also see how it is an acquired taste and will not appeal to many people.

Reasons I think it's good....
1 - Some amazing cinematography from the outset, that never lets up. It's one of those rare films where almost every frame is perfectly and artistically put together. It puts most modern films that win oscars for cinematography and lighting to shame.

2 - Some films portray character through actions and situations (and obviously the actor portraying those). And I think this is a perfect example. We don't need to have everybody's backgrounds explained in explicit detail. (John Carpenter is a master at doing this.) Anything from The Thing, to Alien or Bladerunner or Conan manage this in similar ways.

3 - The Story. Now this is where I think it really divides people. You either see it as an almost supernatural thriller, or a standard serial killer thriller.

If you take it as the first, it is a wonderful tale of a 'man' who knows he should die, wants to die, but for some reason has a desire/will to help a chosen person reach their core of strength and determination and will-power before his death. Possibly because he feels the need to find and create someone he finally considers worthy and strong enough to take his life. Perhaps to leave someone good and strong behind him, as a counter balance to his own evil (Interpret as you will). Halsey's strong desire to live, is how he shows he has that potential, which is also doubly shown in the near-suicide scene. His inner strength and desire to live. A strength which Ryder helps blossom within him, by putting him through hell, increasing step by step, and pulling him out the other side. You don't need to know how the Hitcher creates the situations he puts Halsey in. You just need to accept he is is essentially an unstoppable character who is capable of instigating these things off screen. Much like Michael Myers in the first Halloween (Ignore the sequels) You wonder if he is supernatural, or simply a near-unstoppable human force of evil. Either way, doesn't really matter. (There are plenty of ways to interpret the film, really)

If you take it as the second, it is easy to view it as an absurd, improbable sequence of building events, without any particular plot or coherent logic.

It's just a matter of taste, as to which way you see it. Those who like it, will see it as some variation of the first way I described. Those who see it as the second, choose not to see that side (I'm not saying they can't understand the idea, just that they choose not to see that within the context of the film, or see it as something that they agree with plot/character-wise) and therefore they don't see anything to like in it.

As for saying modern audiences wouldn't take to this, I tend to agree, but for different reasons. I think modern cinema often lacks subtlety. Things have to be one of two ways. They're either so simple that there's practically nothing there, or they feel they have to spell every element out perfectly, leaving nothing to the imagination.

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Thanks for that response wdlee. That was the kind of information I was after when I first made this thread.
I never considered the supernatural element and just saw the film as a straight psycho-stalker film, and as you so rightly pointed out, I did see it as "an absurd, improbable sequence of building events, without any particular plot or coherent logic".

I'm actually quite tempted to give the film another try, taking into account the different way of viewing it that you've just talked about.

If I ever get round to it I'll be sure to report back...

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Glad to help, and give you a different perspective on it. Really, it's just a matter of interpretation and/or preconceptions when watching for the first time, that determine how people see it, I think. Hopefully all that helps maybe explain why some people hold it in high regard, even if you find you never do yourself. :-)

It would be interesting to see if you do get anything different from it, taking into account watching it from that different perspective now. But if you do, maybe give it enough of a gap to allow your earlier perceptions not to influence it too much, so that you're seeing it a little more freshly. :-)

I see it as a brilliant and taut psychological thriller, in the context described, but if taken, as you said, as a straight psycho-stalker film, then it's also easy to see how people can come away without thinking a great deal of it.

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Like I said before on other film boards: Just because other people like it and hold it in high reguard does not mean it's owed to you that you enjoy it, it's a matter of opinion and a whole lot of people have given this movie cult status, you're clearly not one of them and it makes no difference to the fans or the film.

Because other people like a film does not mean you should, you do or you don't it's not a right you have to enjoy things others do.

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Yes, you're all right, there's no reason I should have enjoyed it just because other people did...I just wondered if maybe I'd missed something or if I would feel differently about it after reading why other people loved it so much.

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I watched this back in the '80s, and I thought it was awful. Rutger is always a nice actor to see, but the film was over-rated. It left me completely emotionally drained (granted I did see it when I was a teen), and that 'pulled between 2 trucks' scene was tough to watch! The film seemed too unrealistic as to why he couldn't get away from this guy. Maybe I am forgetting too much of it since I saw it so long ago, but why couldn't he just drive in another direction? Or turn back?
I never watched the movie again, and I never understood its cult status either.



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It's a classic because it was really popular and still holds up to this day.Back in 1986 this was totally original from all the other types of horror/thrillers they were making.It wasn't a slasher picture which made it different for the horror genre.

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I'll let director Christopher Nolan explain...

"As a teenager I never questioned the logic of this Eighties chiller, but now it seems mind-bendingly arbitrary plot-wise. However, it does feature the criminally underappreciated Rutger Hauer in his finest and most influential Euro-psycho performance this side of Blade Runner." - Christopher Nolan

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This is why I love this film.
One can look at it as a simple chase picture. Bad guy trying to kill good guy, simple stuff.

However you can also peel back the layers and reveal something more than a simple chase caper.

This is a film worth analysis. I mean proper analysis, not nitpicking like "why didn't he drive the other way?"

Applying 'real world' reasoning to a FICTIONAL film is just stupid.
However, looking at a film and using the rules within the film to dig a little deeper...and you'll find a much more engrosing viewpoint.

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