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Brenda's fascination with the Masamune katana


I've never understood this.

I get that the sword is special and that the folding technique is outstanding. And that a metallurgy expert like Brenda would appreciate this.

But she reacts more surprised to the result of the metal test than she does upon learning that Russell is immortal.

Brenda: "The Japanese didn't make swords like that till the Middle Ages. So where the hell did it come from? If I could verify its existence, it would be like discovering a 747 a thousand years before the Wright Brothers ever flew".

It really indicates a time travelling theme, doesn't it?

But Masamune (the real and the fictional) was mortal and no time traveller.

I've always felt that there might have been a subplot where the mystery of the sword's origin was tied in closely with the whole immortality theme, and that this subplot didn't make it into the final movie.

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I've had questions about this forever but no one else has put forward any ideas other than you. They never mention time travel so how did that sword get made?

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Ramires actually says how and when it was made.

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He does, but the swords existence and folding still amazes a knowledgeable expert as Brenda. Surely Masamune would have made other swords of a similar quality. If so, such swords are lost in the Highlander universe (at least to Brenda's knowledge), and Ramirez' katana the only one left.

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Or history was rewritten to make it seem that technological advances weren't as good as they were then.

Things like this happen quite often.

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This is quite interesting, Jimmy. I do believe you have a point there.

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What you say is correct, but Kementiri asks how the sword was made.
As i said Ramirez says how and when it was made, so as much as I get Brendas confusion, I don't understand Kementiris confusion.

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Quite right, wearsalan.

The interesting conversation simply made me ponder further about this, and I was replying to you at the time.

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The thing about the Japanese is they are renowned for not giving away any of their culture. Martial Arts for example. Even now, people are only just finding out true meanings of techniques and Kata, despite Karate being taught to outsiders since the end of World War 2.
So the existence of the sword, for me anyway, is a nod towards this habit the Japanese have of keeping things to themselves.

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Good point, wearsalan, and also in line with what Jimmy wrote above.

It also somewhat enforces another aspect of the story, which is that most mortals in Highlander appear slightly naive regarding the immortals and history in general. Kurgan, Ramirez, Kastagir, Conner etc. has witnessed history first hand, the rest of us are picking up mere fragments.

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I actually believe that Masamune never made other swords of a similar quality.

If you recall the dialog where Ramirez describes the making of the sword, the reason he is telling that story is a means of comparison to Masamune's daughter, Shikiku, who was also Ramirez's wife. At the end of the tale, when Ramirez is lamenting over his loss of Shikiku, he makes a remark similar to (and I'm paraphrasing, as I don't remember the exact working), "it is one of a kind, just like my wife". Implicit in this story is that there was something so beautiful and unique about this sword, something so rare, that Masamune was only ever able to make just this one, to celebrate the marriage of his daughter. Ramirez then compares the absolute singular rarity of the sword the singular beauty of his wife.

I always took that to mean that, while Masamune could make the finest swords known in his era, that his genius (Ramirez uses this word to describe Masamune) allowed him to craft this one, epic sword that was so far ahead of its time as to be almost mythological.

Just my two cents!

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Thanks for your thoughts, Jamfo. You are quite correct. The exact words are as follows:

Ramirez: MacLeod, I was born 2,437 years ago. In that time, I've had three wives. The last was Shikiko, a Japanese princess. Her father, Masamune, a genius, made this for me in 593 B.C. It is the only one of its kind... like his daughter.

As you said, the katana is unique, at least to Ramirez' knowledge.

I believe the explanation then could be along the lines of what Jimmy wrote above, i.e. that information about the metallurgy in ancient Japan was purposefully (or accidently) altered for unknown reasons.

I read somewhere that the mystery of the sword could be linked to Masamune himself being immortal, presumably enabling him to gather knowledge about sword making over centuries (if so, Shikiko wasn't his biological daughter since the immortals cannot have children).

Another theory I read is that the alien origin of the immortals, the unfortunate plot of the awful sequel, was intended to be the original explanation for the sword's age in the first movie (i.e. alien technology), but there wasn't room to cover the origin story in the first Highlander movie.

Maybe the sword itself is magical, like the immortals themselves.

All the valuable input here helps me form this theory: Masamune was not an immortal but simply a very skilled swordmaker. He made his Magnum Opus, the katana he gave to his son-in-law Ramirez. Perhaps sword-making in ancient Japan was generally more advanced than we understand in present day, only all records of this have been lost over time. The katana is the only sword left from that advanced culture and that era, and the reason why it makes its way intact all the way to New York in 1985 is the fact that it's been quite literally carried and cared for by Ramirez and later Connor over the years.

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RussellNash... I very much like your theory, and I'd say it mirrors my thoughts to about 95%!

The only difference I really have is that I like to think the sword making in ancient Japan was exactly where we think it should have been. Masamune was just one of those once in a generation genius craftsmen that so far exceeded anyone else around him that it took generations for everyone else to catch up. I would say he is the sword making equivalent of Albert Einstein; someone who was able to look at the way things were, but could figure out the way things should be.

The difference between Masamune and Einstein was just the era they live in. Master sword makers (even in reality) were VERY protective of their secrets and methods. I could imagine that Masamune transformed the way that swords were made, but kept his methods completely to himself. That probably explains why his name echos down through the centuries... so distinctive and unique were his methods that a Masamune sword can be distinguished from another sword from the same era. And then, in one brilliant stroke of genius, he created that Magnum Opus, which was an epic achievement, even among his other achievements. These secrets he never passed down, and so the legend of the Masamune sword was born.

Einstein, by comparison, lived in an age when mass communications existed. His ideas were openly shared and spread around the world. Where Masamune kept his discoveries to himself, Einstein was peer reviewed and broadcast world-wide.

I like thinking this way simply because it keeps Masamune very human, albeit a transcending intellect for his time. It keeps the Immortals special, and unifies a literal immortal (Connor) with someone who's legacy is immortal (Masamune), and shows that, even though he is immortal, Connor still holds the legacy of humanity in his hands. (And it keeps out the awful alien stuff from the second movie!)

I had also never thought of your other excellent point that it will help a sword, even a one-of-a-kind sword like Masamune's, survive the ravages of the centuries if a single owner is constantly caring for it. I imagine most of Masamune's other swords were lost to time, fell into disrepair, or were destroyed or melted down by others over the tumultuous history of mankind.

Cool stuff to think about... thank you!

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Interesting ideas. For me, I thought that if it wasn't merely just a plot device to explain Brenda's deep interest in the sword beyond being a murder weapon, I figured maybe it was because since immortals lived so long, that Ramirez picked up many bits of swordmaking knowledge over the years that were lost to history or were from such different cultures in time and location that they never would have come together and he passed them on to the highly skilled Masamune, who was able to harness that knowledge to make such an awesome sword.

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i never questioned the existence of the sword, since its explained. asians had gunpowder way earlier than europeans as well and unique artifacts and lost techniques are quite common in the real world. pyramids for example.

brenda was just a swordgeek, she didnt care much about supernatural powers. like why do you care more movies than [psychology or religion]?

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I always thought the whole sword thing was weird .
It was sort of framed in the movie like it was a threat to uncovering McCouds immortality secret , or that some time travel had occurred.

neither was the case however it was totally unrelated , he just a had a nice sword that the sword lady was unaware was capable of being produced at that time of its manufacture.

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