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Partial raise after 14,000 cars - fair compromise?


Hunt Stevenson made a deal with Kazihiro in that if his men can build 15,000 cars in one month, then they will get full employment with a full raise. Kazihiro made it clear that anything less than 15,000 then no raise.

Under pressure from his men, Hunt lied and said there would be a partial raise if they built 13,000 cars in a month.

His men built 14,000 cars and even though it was not part of the deal, Hunt went to Kazihiro and demanded that by coming so close his men should still get a partial raise. But Kazihiro was stringent and adamant and absolutely refused to give a raise of any kind.

Do you think it was fair for Hunt to demand a partial raise after 14,000 cars? Do you think Kazihiro was way too nasty and stubborn in not rewarding a decent amount of 14,000 cars?

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No and no. The deal was clear and strict - no wiggle room in that deal.

I'm no expert, but . . . .

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Now that I think about it some more, I understand the problem with introducing a side deal to try to adjust the first deal. The problem is that this might sight a precedence of even more wiggle room after that. If after arguing for half a raise after 13,000 cars, then they'll argue for a third raise after 12,000 cars, and a quarter raise after 11,000 cars. There's no drawing the line here in such a situation.

Therefore, if executives only insist on full raise after 15,000 cars, then there won't be any precendences of wiggle room downwards.

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Do you think it was fair for Hunt to demand a partial raise after 14,000 cars? Do you think Kazihiro was way too nasty and stubborn in not rewarding a decent amount of 14,000 cars?


I personally don't think so. After all, we are talking just a month. If it was a year long marathon.....I could see it.








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A deal was made, they shook on it. Why should Hunt be rewarded for lying to the men?

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In reality, management wouldn't have that much power over union workers. Their rep would negotiate some sort of compromise.

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The Japanese are shrewd businessmen. The very fact that they made that deal at all was a huge compromise. They could have stood their ground and said, "these are the conditions of your employment, take them or leave them" and they wouldn't have batted an eye. The workers complaining was sheer stupidity. Their town was dying and broke especially when their last factory closed down. The Japanese actually came in and saved them from starvation/moving/etc. They should have been on their knees thanking Assan for even re-opening the plant in the first place. Also, anyone find it ironic that an American car company moved their plant/closed and it was the Japanese who saved the town?

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You've obviously never worked for the UAW. The bargaining committee (aka in this movie Michael Keaton) works with the company (Assan) to bring a worthwhile contract to its associates. The very fact that they made that deal, is because without voting-in a new contract, the company has to work under the old contract. The old contract is what ran the business into the ground...

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Was the UAW involved? I thought that there was no union contract at all. The town was dying, all the businesses were closing, and there were no jobs. The auto workers were in no position to bargain. They had to accept the new owners' terms, or stay unemployed.

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There was no union. Didn't you watch that part of the movie where they made that perfectly clear?

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