A perfect time capsule of Stallone's ego in 1986
And what an ego it was
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shareI see it as his fantasy of being Dirty Harry.
shareMore like Beverly Hills Cop since he was the first choice before they cast Eddie Murphy.
shareNo, he had a desire to do his own Dirty Harry and was interested in the script but didn't want the comedy. Thank God he didn't destroy Beverly Hills Cop.
Plus two actors from Dirty Harry are in Cobra, Andrew Robinson and Reni Santoni.
Thank God he didn't destroy Beverly Hills Cop
I wouldn't say he would have NECESSARILY "destroyed" it (assuming he wouldn't have any input in the script), but I'm glad Eddie Murphy got the role. His comical personal input fitted just right for the material at hand.
Cobra is a Stallones retelling of Dirty Harry. I watched them within a few weeks of each other and they are so similar.
I did like Cobra better, the action was way better as with most 80's films compared to 70's. They just didn't have action figured out until the 80's hit. I think French Connection was a push in the right direction then the 80's came along and it exploded.
I didnt find any of the characters in Dirty Harry like able, even Eastwood who I usually love, Harry made poor decisions and the bad guy was a cartoon. Even compared to 80's bad guys.
Haha, you can’t be serious. Dirty Harry is a movie that definitely does not suck.
shareI never said it sucked. I just liked it less than Cobra which is basically a Stallone reboot with more cool stuff in it.
Dirty Harry is the prototype for action films, heavily influential. You can see where other films have took or downright stole scenes right out of it like Cobra and Lethal Weapon.
I liked the San Fran setting and most of the cinematography. The great wide shots of San Francisco then other scenes, mainly for the dialogue looked like they were filmed as a TV movie and had me thinking were there two different directors working on it. Compared to the quality of the French Connection it did feel a little more trashy as if it was a trashy over the top 80's action movie but not quite reaching those highs and suffering in quality because of it.
So to me it felt like Dirty Harry was stuck in a trap being between a trashy Bmovie, a big budget for the time action movie and a serious 70s film. I understand that it was 1971, really early and way ahead of its time. im not usually a new fag, newer equals better but I just thought Dirty Harry is a lesser of the 70s legend status films.
It has that cool 70's film making sensibility but suffers being in the 70's and an action movie because they just hadn't nailed action like they did when the 80's came.
I hate the word dated. So im not going to fully compare it to later action movies. French Connection was released the same year, 1971. And to me,French Connection is a far superior film in every way compared to Dirty Harry.
well put
shareThey just didn't have action figured out until the 80's hit.
Sam Peckinpah was the exception to the rule. share
Stallone is a smart guy, he wrote and starred in Rocky which was a serious sports drama and won an Oscar. He also wrote and starred in Rocky 4 where he goes to Soviet Russia to fight their super fighter. What I'm trying to say, as much as Stallone is talented and smart he is just as much juvenile and his taste is shit lol.
shareVery smart. Makes some dumb decisions at times. Coke and ego got in the way of his intelligence sometimes.
Did you hear Arnie talk about the story where Stallone was being super competitive to get scripts from Arnie, and he tricked Stallone into choosing stop or my mom will shoot, which was a total dud, a bomb?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYrTe7LDp4&ab_channel=MaxaciaA
Then Stallone does an answer back video about the story Arnie told
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0UQyotAVoc&ab_channel=MOSQUARED2
Then a third take from a press conference with Sly, Arnie, Mel Gibson, Harrison Ford and others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU5EbVU-Q80&ab_channel=Marmar
I have seen that interview, it's pretty funny. Even though Stallone is not just an action star but can write and is probably more rounded filmmaker than schwarzie, Arnold had the fortune to be in more cult films than Stallone.
shareIt seems like Arnold had the edge over Sly because he was never a control freak.
shareThanks for those links. That was fun
shareHe made a lot of pour decisions due to his poor judgment. He could had mixed both being an action star as well as a dramatic actor (just watch Cop Land, he reminded people that he can act). But well... that's not where the big bucks were. So yeah, people often forget that he actually is a great actor and writer, but I can't really blame them.
shareI remember when Cop Land came out. Stallone is so good in that, the whole cast is like a who's who. Well written, everybody at the top of their game.
Zero Oscar noms for that film.
Shakespeare in Love won the Oscar that year. Let that sink in when Cop Land, Truman Show and Private Ryan where there. Sometimes the Oscars just miss thr mark completely.
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shareHe earned the right to have an ego so STFU...
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