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So how is an alien used as a weapon?


Seems quite outdated and futile.
Any new engineered virus would make a much more effective tool.
It's also hard to handle n slow to deploy.

Saddam had better wmds than aliens.

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Maybe they would try to do what General Spears had in mind, trying to control the aliens via the Queen. If they get the Queen to cooperate through fear of the eggs being destroyed, then the drones will obey the Queen. Also, they could deploy them on a planet they wanted taken out (not sure how they would reclaim that planet), or maybe a space station or base owned by a rival company like Seegson.

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Talk about an easy to deploy weapon....
So you need the queen and the whole hive now. I can see that makes sense as a whole army of aliens, but then again they are an intelligent species so wouldn't it be quite dangerous and counterproductive to enslave?

I mean, a squad of well equipped marines is able to overpower it easily, and cheap to handle.
What's the advantage of this alien bio weapon?

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I never quite bought the bioweapon aspect of the story. Luckily it was primarily Cameron's idea introduced in the mediocre sequel, so it didn't damage the original Scott's movie/story. If I remember correctly the company was interested in extra terrestrial species in the first movie (wouldn't you be?), but not as a weapon. The almighty company introduced in the sequels could have picked the alien just fine without involving Ripley.

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"All I can think of is they must have wanted it for the weapons division." Ripley - After Ashe is knocked out...
So the idea was there, even if you want to suggest that Ripley, a low level company drone, was just making a wild-ass guess.

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Well, I got the same feeling from the original, but even if what you say is correct, let's say the company wanted it for some other purpose. What exactly? A petting zoo?

I could be interested as a scientist in adding a new species to the others, but considering the costs to reach and find it, and the difficulty handling this beast, as a private company I don't see the value of the investment.

But then again, I don't understant how space-x is able to be worth more than 5 cents.

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Well, probably you think GPS, communication and other types of satellites launch themselves on the orbit.

Or maybe the earth is flat and satellites are lies ...

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Hey! I can understand how, even without evidence, you could accuse a person of being a child molester or a Trump supporter... BUT! How can you suggest that another human being is a FLAT EARTHER without difinitive proof?

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That's a new low, I agree.

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Right, that's what I think...

Isn't space-x a company devoted to space tourism? Or am I missing something?

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Last few satellites have been put on orbit by space-x. At lower cost, afaik, than NASA ...

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-11-planet-skysats-launch-august-2020.html

Plus: NASA is using spacex to send supplies and people to the station in the orbit ...

https://www.space.com/spacex-crew-1-dragon-capsule-arrives-florida.html

Pretty far from "just tourism in space".

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I think maybe the "Weapons Division" would try to harness the biology.
make soldiers gm modified to shoot acid like spiderman shoots webs,
Or cross it with a chimp to be more trainable ..
ok I'm talking shit ,
They could just as easliy but some acid proof waterpistols.

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I never quite bought the bioweapon aspect of the story. Luckily it was primarily Cameron's idea introduced in the mediocre sequel, so it didn't damage the original Scott's movie/story.


Except that's literally what Scott reduced them to in Prometheus and Covenant... so much so that he turned them into mindless killing machines designed by a crazy android.

Previous to that nonsensical reveal, they were literally a black gooey bio-weapon used to wipe out species via the Engineers.

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Dr Wren in Resurrection mentions that the potential for the species went beyond “urban pacification.” They talked about studying the alien to develop new alloys and vaccines. Basically because the alien was the ultimate organism, it had potential to be used not as a weapon itself, but its biology could be studied to improve weapon and medical technology they already had.

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Slow, LOL?! It wiped out the entire colony on LV-426 in a matter of days once the eggs were exposed to the population. It killed every marine sent in for followup except Hicks too.

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The colonists were harmless.
The marines unknowingly entered a facility that was completely infested, and fucked up most of their strategies (no weapons in hive, block doors, no security on transport etc). Talk about every single thing going wrong.
Also, they were just a dozen. And unprepared.
What use could Aliens have against a strategically prepared enemy?

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The colonists - 158 of them - were taken out by 1, 2, or some other small number of xenos. Newt's dad was infected. Then some more people from the team sent to investigate. Before they knew it, the entire colony aside from Newt was dead.

No, the marines were briefed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R800jPPenI.

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No, they were briefed, very poorly, about the possibility that there might be one of those Aliens.

The place was infested instead. They had no knowledge of hives, queens, and their total number was vastly underrated.

The colonists had no training nor equipment to face a single Alien. Nasa doesn't hand out revolvers either, a rat would be a huge problem on a space station.

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So you're saying a single xenomorph can take out almost 160 people? I'd call that effective, but I'm weird.

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Unharmed people. In outer space. Big deal.
Any of those other machine guns and weapons they sport in the movie are waaaay deadlier than that.

Are we talking about a valuable weapon or just A weapon?
Like I wrote in my OP, it seems rather outdated and futile.
The only upside I can see for it is its deniability, but it would be such a rare and obvious weapon that anybody will be looking for those responsible of its deploy.

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"Nasa doesn't hand out revolvers either"

I thought they did, or used to , in case you landed 1000 miles into siberia and had to fend off wolves.
or failing that , could be used for propulsion in space,
or at a push , firing at annoying little green men , or moon nazis

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Really? I didn't know that, that sounds like such a space cowboy move it's just cool!

But I doubt they had any intention of using it against aliens. Just Russians.

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My interpretation is that the company wanted to land ownership rights to any possible discover of alien technology overall. Having such a thing in their possession would elevate their stock price and yield a great amount of power, not just influence.

Look at it thru a modern perspective with someone like Elon Musk and his Mission to Mars program finding ancient alien technology and having first rights to it or better yet a full partnership with the US Federal Government. There would be no competition to out do that and he'd in a position like Weylan/Yutani

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Thinking like a Hollywood scriptwriter...

i. Use them as advance infantry. Drop them into a zone, let them wreak havoc... both physical and psychological. You could even augment them with weaponry on top of their natural abilities.

ii. In reverse, use them as part of a scorched earth policy. If you must retreat, leave them behind to at least deny the enemy the use of the territory.

iii. Use them for specific environments that make the best use of their characteristics. They are nimble, are able to communicate via some hive mind, can see in the dark iirc, are pretty strong, grow FAST... they would be ideal for restricted environments such as caves, industrial complexes (where they blend in naturally with piping and machinery). The third? fourth? movie demonstrated that they are pretty effective underwater, seemingly not to need to breathe for long periods of time.

iv. They could simply study their physiology with a mind to developing weapons that human soldiers could use, similar to how scientists have studied spider silk to create synthetic versions that can be adapted it for other purposes. Their blood is acid... could that be adapted for human use? How do they move in the dark without eyes, etc?

v. Genetic engineering... can they be combined with other lifeforms to create a useful weapon? Wasn't there a dog-like variation in the one set in a prison?

Any other ideas?

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Ok those are all well developed and intelligent strategies.
Great list.
My only gripe with them is that the Aliens are difficult to control, so for every use there's already a better weapon. Still, I guess there's value in having another option in your arsenal.

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One thing the movies never made clear to my mind... are they intelligent as we understand intelligence? Beyond procreating and destroying any perceived enemies, they didn't seem to have much purpose... they were nothing more than simple -- but deadly -- insects with a similar social structure... queen, drones.

If they were intelligent to a higher degree they would much more useful. In the same way we've trained dolphins, rats, dogs, apes to perform military and search-and-rescue work, they could be trained to do more complicated missions.

A big plus is that they are expendable. A big negative is that the time / danger / expense to domesticate/train and wrangle them might not be worth the payoff.



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You drop some eggs on a planet and wait for the inevitable breeding.

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As effective as a toilet paper raid.

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You take it to a convention of the demorats and let it do its thing.

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Biden gets skull-punched by the Alien and dust comes out.

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