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what was wrong with betty?


was she schizophrenic?

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You bet.

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can it be cured?:(




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ugh those arent very discreet.




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Technically, isn't bi-polar disorder defined as a condition where the mood swings last for weeks or months at a time? That's very different from the day-to-day thing that Betty's experiencing. IIRC, there's a personality disorder that mimics the bi-polar symptoms, but with this kind of shorter duration. It's also a lower intensity of mood swing, which is appropriate, because I'm not seeing Betty experience the kind of insomnia that comes with mania.

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Betty, if she is to be so defined, would have had BPD and not bi-polar disorder. This is presumably what you're alluding to because the two can present quite similarly.

We don't see things as they are,
we see things as we are

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A lot of chicks in France are wild like that.

Not necessarily stoned but beautiful

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Wouldn't all those antidepressants kill her sex drive? Betty wouldn't be Betty without that.




There, daddy, do I get a gold star?

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i was thinking the other day that her IUD secretes hormones or copper or (well it depends what kind of IUD she was using) but it sort of interfered with her mental state





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I rather think the voices show the positive symptoms (and no, I don't mean 'negative'. In psychology, positive and negative symptoms in relation to schitzophrenia mean very different things to what you might think) associated with more severe cases of schizophrenia, than the previous dignoses of bipolar. She's about the right age (17-26) for schitzophrenia onset, too.

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) and tri-cyclics/ Mono Amine Oxidize Inhibitors (MAOI's)/ Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI's), are the most effective -current- ways to treat schitzophrenia.
Though in the 80's, I think CBT was in it's infancy, and psycho-active (post-synaptic) meds were in testing stages/ undeveloped. I can't be 100% certain without checking up on that.

Unfortunately, yes, Bettys' sex drive would be adversly affected. Essentially, she wouldn't be Betty, but she'd be healthy. It's likely that she'd gain weight from the meds, and might experience other negative side-effects, but once again, she'd be functional.

What's worse, is that she wouldn't -to start with- be in the right frame of mind to be able to rationally decide whether or not to start a corrective treatment course. So, some unlucky schmuck would be forced to decide to medicate her sans consent, to bring her to the state where she's able to make decide for herself.

My guess would be; at her age, without an extensive support network of friends/ family, she'd assert her independace, and opt out of any treatment course, wishing instead to just go back to her 'normal' life. She'd likely think that it's a passing darkness, and that before long, she'd be back to her old self again.


As a side note, she does not show a all of the symptoms of schitzophrenia. She is a lot more coherent in her speech than that. I expect that this was done in the interests of filmmaking, as it would be a very different film if they were to show her with all the symptoms of schitzophrenia.


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When I first saw this film all those years ago I thought she was schizophrenic, but having gone on to finding and marrying my own Betty Blue, who turned out to have Bi-Polar, I can assure you that all the aspects we saw Betty experience are experienced in Bi-polar. It is interesting to note that research now appears to be coming to the conclusion that there is little to separate Schizophrenia from Bi-polar at times as Bi-polar 'sufferers' can experience delusions, hallucinations, paranoia etc. The telling aspects in this film that say to me that Betty was Bi-polar are the mood swings, the self delusions and her ultimate end.

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I'd add BPD to the diagnosis, untreated bi-polar is a sure way to a personality disorder.

With that body no way was she on any of the current bi-polar meds.

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The distinction between bi-polar disorder and schitzophrenia can be found in the DSM IV. It's the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Health (4th edition), and it defines various disorders, their symptoms, etc...

I think you can access it online nowadays, too.

Peace out.

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I am on antidepressants and my sex drive is through the roof... Just saying. It doesn't kill everyone's sex drive. People react differently to medication.

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Wouldn't all those antidepressants kill her sex drive? Betty wouldn't be Betty without that.



Bi-polar people often have, in the "manic" phase, over exaggerated sex drive and needs, mood stabilisers such as lithium, may have given her a more realistic sex drive.

Bi-polar people often do things while "manic" that they later deeply regret, some commit suicide due to this.

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Goes to show how much I know... when I saw the film, a long time ago I thought, "Oh, she gets really bad PMT". (!!!!!!!!) It was interesting to me that a film should portray an angry woman, but it was also about a lot of other stuff - their relationship, the way they seemed to live free but get a lot of breaks, and the way she supported her boyfriend. It didn't even occur to me that she was unbalanced until the end. I really need to see it again!!

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As Betty is not a real person, but a fictional character, it is difficult to diagnose her. It is probably even more difficult to give her medications, and she certainly isn't availaible for psychotherapy.

Sorry guys.

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I prefer the term manic depressive to bipolar disorder (the latter is so clinical and un/non descriptive). I don't think Betty was schizo though.

osirisbc and zaragozana: My naïve "when I first saw this" 20 years ago story is that I simply thought she was just a severely passionate person, as I thought I was. Whoa, but this was a good vicarious film! I never did anything as extreme as her, even when being an angry waitress!

fiddleio: You seem to comprehend this is a fictional character (the story may or may not have been based on a real person). Why reply on a thread when you haven't anything to add but your own snarky obvious "observations?" Replying to a thread on the I.MOVIE.D.B. - we all know this is a film and probable fictional character. I believe the OP is asking for opinions on Betty's diagnosis, NOT about whether she was real or not.

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As someone correctly mentionned, she has Borderline PErsonality Disorder

I should know because my girlfriend (5 years and counting) has it. I love this movie though find it a little fatalistic and don't really like the ending as much as the rest, i just don't think it's right that he killed her even if i get why he did it. My gf, of course, hates the film. Being diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder is actually terrible because in general people suffering from it are portrayed as downright "evil", manipulative, psychotic and sometimes dangerous and this EVEN by psychiatrists or psychologists. There is in the field almost a certain despise for people suffering with BPD. When really i can tell you by experience that all it takes is a lot of understanding, compassion and care.

The movie portrays a rather extreme case but i certainly know what its like to have the person you love fly off the handle at some strangers (though it never came to physical assault in her case, actually yeah, once but that guy fully deserved the punch) or do rather irrational things like trying to set our bed on fire (though i'm not sure she actually wanted it to work). People with BPD have an intense fear of being abandoned (and it should come as no surprise that my gf WAS in fact basically abandoned by first her mom and then later on, the rest of her family) and of being disliked. It makes social relationships very difficult because not only do they risk getting shunned if they have a "psychotic" episode publicly but also because they tend to be very paranoid about their friends. They will, however, be loyal to a fault if you earn their trust.

It can be very hard to see someone you love and who, on a good day (and there are a lot of those still, this movie distills a relationship to two hours and mainly focuses on the bad days) is a fun and extremely intelligent person (the most intelligent person i've ever met in fact) occasionally become...well, so irrational and destructive.

An almost endless reserve of patience, selflessness, love and understanding can however do wonders (i'm not patting myself on the back here but..well i kinda am a little because it's been a tough road and i know no one else but me has ever been willing to take it that far) and i have to say the last two years have been a lot easier than the first three. Medication, of course, helps too.

She has taught me a lot about selfishness and pride. I used to have too much of the former and too little of the latter (much like Betty, she will NOT take crap or rudeness from anyone. Personally, i cheer when Betty stabs the woman in the arm with the fork or slashes the face of the editor with the comb. A-holes need to suffer more from their actions, that's something she's taught me) She has also made me believe in myself and in my capabilities. She even does believe i am capable of greatness, much like Betty thinks of Zorg (and like Zorg i tend to want to dismiss this). All i know is she's the love of my life and nothing she can do will ever change this. This book/movie in a lot of ways is us except, i'm not gonna stand for the bad ending.

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i'm 100% sure she had borderline personality disorder. because i have BPD and i relate to this movie perfectly.

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she was a tard

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