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Just viewed,PLEASE DISCUSS



I just got done watching the director's cut 3 hour long version. I wish I had watched it with someone else, this is the kind of film that I NEED to discuss.
This is what I am thinking, Is is possible Betty never existed? Was the entire thing his thought and ideas for the second book he wrote. Perhaps he made Betty up because there isn't much explanation on how they met, it just is. The last bit of context was Zorg hearing Betty ask him if he was writing and he replied that he was just thinking. That definitely made me feel "betty" was his imaginary muse. Maybe th first book wasn't great so at that crappy job he dreamed her up. I guess that doesn't explain a lot of things but it seems to be a possibility to me.
I felt they did the onset of Adult Schizophrenia well, the trauma of her not being pregnant would definitely be a braking point. She exhibited the mania a lot of people have before having a major psychotic brake, it was probably kept at bay with the large amount of alcohol she drank.
I am definitely left feeling uneasy. I watched tons of foreign film (it surprises me I missed this one for so long) so I am used to uneasy or unhappy ending. They tend to not wrap everything up into a pretty perfect box like Hollywood films do. Silly me, as I was expecting that very same thing. I figured Zorg would have figured out that Betty was sick and would have gotten her help. I really didn't expect this ending. If I were to speak to the writer and director of this film I would LOVE to have the ending confirmed to me. Was it a dream? If it wasn't a dream are we to believe that Zorg will be able to move on with his life? He got the other book published and another ready to go, but how can he cope with, robbing a bank, murder and the loss of his love?
I'd like to think that Zorg leaves and heads off to America (where he can find plenty of crazy girlfriends) and start his life again. I believe that he was only around 30 years old and I am not quite sure how much time transpired, a year? It never seemed to get as hot as it was at the beginning of the film. I would just like to know how others thought of the film. I could care less is "the sex was real" I noticed that was a thread. I also can't decided if I liked this film, sometimes I have to let a film stew before I can decide if I liked it. I just hope someone responds to this.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. " S.W.C

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First I must say thank you for your response. I wasn't sure that anyone would read my post at all and nothing makes me happier to receive what would be a semi-flame.
What I also find interesting is that I was just reading an argument on the board for Brokedown Palace. The argument was basically about Americans feeling that they are the centre of the universe. That brings me to your first problem with my post, I chose "America' randomly as I was rather excited when I wrote my post. In my opinion Zorg could have picked his life up anywhere as long as it was far enough away from where he was on the chance he may be discovered as the 'woman' who robbed the bank.
Second, if discussing a film degrades the art or concept then why post on a film data base? I love to watch films; I also adore art and the theatre. Are you saying that discussing any form of art is pointless? This film left me with profound feelings, much more then most 'mainstream; Hollywood perfect package happy ending detritus that fills the theatres where I currently reside. If I had just finished watching "Transformers" it's unlikely that I would have felt the need to post a message about my feelings/questions. I absolutely love to discuss anything that has made an impact on me. I chose to go onto IMDB and post a desperate message to anyone who had seen this film. I am grateful that you gave me a quasi-flame. You have allowed me to continue to think about the 3 hour film that consumed my evening last night. Your response only confirms that discussing this film was a fantastic idea.
I still feel confident that if Betty was in fact 'real' then I am disappointed with the ending. I am certainly entitled to my feelings about this film. I doubt that the writer would be closed to other interoperations of his work.
I also never meant to imply that I wanted “Betty Blue" to have a tidy ending. What I wanted is exactly what you have given me. I watched this film alone, again it made an impact I felt a strong need to find out how others received the film. I have my personal feelings on what I felt should or should not have happened. I stand by my view that Betty wasn't a lost cause. I deal with Mental Illness everyday as I work as a Social Worker for a non profit organization. There is a massive stigma on Mental Illness, especially Schizophrenia. Around 1986 giant leaps in the treatment of mental illness especially Schizophrenia was being made and great deal of these leaps occurred in Europe. Perhaps looking at this film from the prospective of someone who views young women suffering for an illness such as this provoked my instinct to help her recover rather then see her life end when it could have been saved. Betty's character expressed a desire to help Zorg, leading me to believe that she was good hearted and more of an asset to humanity rather then some kind of blight. I see Betty as a young woman who is in the clutches of her illness and slowly deteriorating. Adult onset Schizophrenia in young women tends to present in early adulthood, however it can appear less present when self medicating, for Betty she consumed a great deal of alcohol. I would imagine should she have never found Zorg her illness would have swept her up much sooner. I am stead fast on my feelings that she did not have to die. I, me MY personal feelings are that Zorg failed her. I don't have to see beauty in what Zorg did. I feel that he took the easy way out, as it seemed he had been doing before Betty came into his life. YES, if Betty received treatment she could have been given a glass eye, no matter how ridicules that may seem to you. Betty was unique and a free spirit only 20 years old. Despite her "fits" as they were referred to, Betty's lust for life was exactly what Zorg needed. Her eccentricity electrified Zorg, she was his muse. He found a family and the desire to write again and allowed Betty to attempt to publish a book that apparently would have lived in a cardboard box never to see the light of day that is until Betty came along.
It has been discussed that the film is meant to come across as how Zorg perceives life, however Betty's character shines brightly. In my post I made a joke that Zorg could find plenty of screwed up girls in America, and I do not regret writing that. Zorg may have been Brilliant as Betty thought but he was weak. My joke about him finding another girl similar to Betty is because it seems to me that Zorg seemed to function better with that kind of torment in his life. The film doesn't seem to go into why Zorg lived in the bungalow as a repair man existing only to make repairs and enjoy Tequila rapidos. He obviously had stopped writing. Betty came into his life and immediately turned it upside down and sideways. All of this continues to make me believe that he was lost, and would be if he didn't have someone very special, someone stronger more colourful illuminating his being. There are screwed people all over this planet; however America seems to glorify this constantly. American television, magazines and film are riddled with stories and images of *uc*ed women. Why not go to the country that is the home to many famous and blatantly off beat women. I don't see a point in naming names, and I am fully aware that there are screwed up people everywhere.. As redundant as this post has become, it is all my perception, my interpretation or feelings about this film and the characters; as well as my feelings about America (which is mostly irrelevant).
I enjoyed watching Betty Blue; all I wanted was for someone to discuss the film with. Yes, I questioned this film as you may question a painting or a book. Where better to discuss my questions about this then on IMDB, be they unfounded, pathetic or ridicules. My questions are why this service is here. I thank you again for your response, I have received what I wanted, and I would love to continue to discuss my questions maybe not with you as you don't seem to be open to that, but I welcome any discussion about this film or this post. I welcome the flames as long as they aren't about my grammar or misspellings if that is all someone can come up with, well… that's rather sad, anything else would be fantastic.
I will leave with this and it's for anyone who may read this, not just my friend the semi-flamer;
Could Zorg have imagined Betty? If Betty had received treatment with Zorg by her side would it have ruined this film?
Thanks semi-flamer I have enjoyed this bit of online bantereaque fun!


MM.

The trouble with her is that she lacks the power of conversation but not the power of speech.
- G.B.S.


"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. " S.W.C
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"Don't move until you see it" S.B.K.

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Dear Semi-Flamer or might I call you friend?

I have enjoyed our little discussion about "Betty Blue" and again must thank you for replying. I have read your post many times over and have decided to do just as you wrote “stop myself in good time”. I have a tendency to over think books, films even discussions I have had. You make an excellent point, sometimes you must "have your time with it" and I agree when it comes to this film I will do just that. I will also have my time with the questions you raised, very good questions at that.
This film will stay with me for some time, though I must honestly say it did not have the same impact on me as it seems it had on you.
I feel that it has been quite a treat for me to have the chance to discuss this film with you.
I can’t imagine what it feels like to want to fully explain your thoughts but must rely on a translator. I must thank you again for taking the time to write your reply and translate it.
I hope we may have another chance to discuss a film, or even correspond if you are up for it. I would love to know your views on some other films that I have a feeling you’ve seen. If you would like to correspond with me please send me a private message with an E mail address, I will most certainly write you back. This will be the first and probably only time I will ever ask that of someone here.
I wish you all the best my semi-flamer, I have enjoyed our discussion more then you could know. Take care.

L.M.M.

“I have been a selfish being all my life, in practice, though not in principle.” J.A.


"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. " S.W.C

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i watched this film for the first time a couple of years ago, and it has ever since been one of my favourite films of all time. It has everything i could ever wish for in a film.

as for Betty being his imagination, i don't agree with that. The whole film was based on his and her relationship, and the reality of being in a relationship with someone like Betty.

A scene that always touches me, is when Zorg comes home to find Betty sitting at the table with her face all messed up, zorg seems to want to understand her, but can't.

At the end of the film, you can see how he is trying to decide what to do next, and finally decided to write another book. He talks to an imaginary Betty because he wishes she is still there, how heart wrenching! :(

to me this film is timeless, and will forever be special to me as i really feel that it captures what love and commitment is.

if i could choose one word to describe it, i would be BEAUTIFUL.

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Exactly right. It is a classic, beautiful and touching film.

I find aspects of it quite distressing such as her emotional state in some scenes but i have never seen a film that has affected me so much long after viewing.

A masterpiece. I just hope they never remake it because it was perfection.

*I saw in your eyes that you hate the world, I hate it too...*

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I first watched this around about 1990 and have just watched it again today, I've seen it several times and it is still as good as the first time I saw it. I agree the film is a genuine classic and is beautiful, no other film has had this sort of effect nearly 20 years after first seeing it.

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Clearly as we share the same user name.
And I doubt anyone will ever see this as IMDB has decided to shut down message boards on their site. I'm rather broken up about this decision and this board is a great example why. I left comments about my views and feelings on this film 10 years ago !!! If I was sk inclined I could re watch the film now and return to this board perhaps this thread and see how my views have changed. Gain a better understanding on how opposing view as time has gone by. Slightly improve my typing... But really I love having the message boards here. I had incredible conversations that spanned years . I be line my join date should be 2004ish I never defected to rotten tomatoes (which doesn't have a thriving message board scene) very recently I watched The O.A. The FIRST thing I did when it ended was go onto IMDB message boards to see if anyone had yet posted their thoughts. I don't use Facebook or Twitter though I am very active on computers. I love film and some television IMDB was my one stop info spot . A place for me to discuss a unique film like Bette Blue without the pressure of what I look like or my relationship status. Yes the trolls suck they've sucked since we invented the word. We can handle it !! Anyway since no one will read this I shall end my rant here. I hope you've enjoyed the film and find a forums to have w good chat about it. Pity it's not here. #MicDrop

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