Why is his name Craven?


I never knew it meant " cowardly ".

As far as I'm concerned Ron Craven is anything but a coward. Why do you think creators named him that way?

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I know, but I don't think it's very significant. It's an actual English family name, not that uncommon.

After the revolution everything will be different. Your password is 'Giliap'!

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"It's an actual English family name, not that uncommon."

Exactly, John Craven is a well known English TV presenter who used to do "Newsround" on BBC1.

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What an extraordinarily dim question. Why is anyone's surname what it is? What is the significance of the last president's name being Bush? Why is the PM called Brown? If you're named Carpenter does it mean that you have to work with wood?

People who write pick names for a variety of reasons, and they rarely have anything to do with the word in a non-naming function. Jesus.

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Yes, indeed, writers don't care what their characters are named. They just randomly pluck them out of a baby-book.

Not a very smart person, are you?

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Is that an attempt at sarcasm? Hmm. Needs practice, you're really not very good at it.

Craven is an area within North Yorkshire. Bob Peck was born in West Yorkshire. A big landowner in the 17th century was the Earl of Craven, and it was quite normal for his local workers to take the title as a surname. As was the case with a lot of English landowning nobility at the time.

I don't for a second imagine that there is any more significance to the selection of Craven as the name of the lead character. If you know different do let me know. Perhaps you also know who killed JFK?

They probably could have picked Havoac as a name, but that really would have looked too silly.

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They probably could have picked Havoac as a name, but that really would have looked too silly.


Ouch.

Strausszek already pointed out the commonality of the sirname. That is a significant detail, as it reveals that the creators wanted their main character to be an " everyman ", a seemingly ordinary person who actually has secrets of his own - His possible attraction to his daughter, his hidden past with the murderer etc. This coincides with Craven's realization that his daughter is not the pristine baby he thought she was and thus highlights a larger, encompassing theme.

Either way, I'm not going to waste time talking to you. If you have something substantial to say, say it, else you're free to entertain yourself in a monologue.

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You're reading far too much into it. For all I - and you - know, the writers just went through a phone book looking for names. Why make assumptions that these names have significance? What evidence do you have?

This so-called attraction to his daughter is baloney. He loved her to bits, probably more than a father who still had a wife would have done. Do you have any children? If not, you won't understand how all-encompassing that love is, and how revolting it is to make up the idea of some kind of father-daughter relationship for which there is absolutely no evidence. Nobody who has children really imagines that they are "pristine babies". We were, after all, children ourselves once.

As for his "hidden past", it was hidden for security reasons. Many British Special Branch/MI5/Paras/SAS people were involved in undercover work in Northern Ireland, and their identities are still hidden. Even in 2009 they are still hidden because of the danger of reprisals, let alone when this series was set, when his security and the security of his family was paramount.

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You're not reading into it enough. Edge of Darkness is not a blockbuster Hollywood film, it's a complex and ambitious piece of art. I don't need to have evidence to make assumptions, you don't need to interview Melville to know that Ahab is named that way for a reason.

This so-called attraction to his daughter is baloney. He loved her to bits, probably more than a father who still had a wife would have done. Do you have any children? If not, you won't understand how all-encompassing that love is, and how revolting it is to make up the idea of some kind of father-daughter relationship for which there is absolutely no evidence.


Him kissing the tip of her vibrator? The play he hides in during the chase being, specifically, about incest? Him mentioning how jealous he is of her boyfriend? The flashback where she climbes onto the bed and " replaces " his wife?

Yes, of course, we're all perverts.

Nobody who has children really imagines that they are "pristine babies". We were, after all, children ourselves once.


Heh. Do you have any children?

As for his "hidden past", it was hidden for security reasons. Many British Special Branch/MI5/Paras/SAS people were involved in undercover work in Northern Ireland, and their identities are still hidden. Even in 2009 they are still hidden because of the danger of reprisals, let alone when this series was set, when his security and the security of his family was paramount.


Irrelevant. What does this have to do with anything?

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Jesus H. What does that turgid POS Moby-Dick have to do with Edge of Darkness? One is a book steeped in religious symbolism and metaphor, written in virtually perfect iambic pentameter. Melville at his most Melville-ish. The other is a TV series which was written with no deeper intent than to entertain; it was never intended to be a 'work of art' that would resonate through time.

Get over it, for goodness sake. Stop pretending that this is something more than it is. I watched it on TV when it was first broadcast, and like many other people thought it was bold and brilliant. I certainly didn't expect to be writing about it 25 years after the fact. I bought the DVDs recently and re-watched it, and most parts have stood the test of time very well.

You certainly are a pervert if you want to persist with this nonsense of incestuous love. The vibrator scene has to do with his exposure (again) to the fact that she is a grown woman and no longer a little child. It remains a clever and ambitious scene, if apparently beyond your black-and-white vision to appreciate. What you see as jealousy is a feeling that all men with daughters will have at some point; the bond between children and their parents is usually daughter to father, son to mother. To a father, the idea that some little dork with (he assumes) the sole object of shagging his little girl is hard to deal with. It doesn't mean that he's jealous of the aforesaid little dork, it means that he resents him. Perfectly natural.

Yes, I have children. I have twin sons, and they are older than you. I do know what I'm talking about; I'm not just flapping my brain processes in the air like you.

His "hidden past",which you now call irrelevant, was brought up by you and I was offering you the explanation. What you mean is that you consider it irrelevant because you now have no answer for it.

"I don't need to have evidence to make assumptions...". Well, you've certainly proven the truth of that. It remains to be seen how comprehensively it gets screwed up when it comes out on the big screen with Saint Mel.

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Alright then.

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Most of the characters are named after places in northern England or Scotland.



She's a man, it's a sled, he's dead already.

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For what it's worth, Havoac, I'm with you. Things are not randomly thrown together in productions like this. I don't necessarily think that incest was involved, but they were certainly very, very close, perhaps too close for their own good. I noticed the detail of the play that Craven saw being about incest, and it did seem quite telling.

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In Bogwart's defence -

Many fathers resent their daughters' boyfriends. Probably because as one time young men themselves, they know exactly what young men are like. Not because they want to copulate with them...

I think there is a low level oedipal theme running through it though, but it's not something that was ever consummated.

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Not a dim question at all, when you consider the symbolism that runs through the series and the many interesting discussions that appear here.

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I've always wondered the significance of Jedburgh's name. I think it means that he is quite proud of his Scottish ancestry (hence the golf) although that's never directly stated, and also allows him to completely mispronounce it.

I can't however work out the name. Jedburgh's famous for its abbey, and being a rugby playing area, but there's not much of another lead... although someone mentioned it was used as the name of some WWII unit.

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I see the predominance of the word "raven" in it as another hint that he may be a manifestation of the green man, the nature spirit, as well as the Yorkshire link.

And yes, there are clear, intentional incest themes. Get over it.

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i guess some people can't accept that incest happens. in fact those who deny it's existence, are usually the ones who commit it.

i think bogwart-1 needs to get off his high horse, for cripes sake.

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