A disappointing film


I watched this film AFTER I saw the sequel (BLOODLUST) and I'm sad to say I was really disappointed. The story line was boring and full of cliches. How can you care about any of these characters? D is hardly Samuel L Jackson in the cool stakes and the silent, lonesome hero figure is tiresome.

I found that the sequel made up for this with a more mature story line which challanges the viewer's preconceptions of good and evil and is presented so beautifully and with so much ingenuity that any cliche along the way can be brushed aside.

I don't mean to say this was the worst film in the world, and I do appreciate that it's nearly 20 years old, but it's like what Marcellus Wallace says to Butch in Pulp Fiction about aging like vinegar instead of fine wine.

Why does this film get good ratings? Why should I have a place for it in my heart?

Convince me.

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I enjoyed the original more than the sequel. They are both good movies, but the original is one of my favorite animes of all time, possibly because it was the first anime I ever watched.

It was made on more of a low budget than the sequel which resulted in the art being a little messed up at times, but that also adds to the charm of the movie. I liked the characters better in the original and I thought the Markus brothers were wasted in Bloodlust. I would have liked to see more of them. I also liked D's hand better in the original, and Count Magnus Lee was way better than Meier Link. I also like the soundtrack better.

I just liked the original more, but that is just my opinion.

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The original VAMPIRE HUNTER D was one of the first anime features I ever saw, as well, on a late night TV broadcast. (Can't recall if this was on Cartoon Network, one of Turner's channels, or the Sci-Fi Channel.) True, the artwork and animation may not have aged well, but the film grabbed my attention and held it. I also really like the second film (not sure if the term "sequel" is the right word to use, though), but given the changes in filmmaking and filmmakers that took place between the two films, I think it's a little unfair to compare the two. (I would consider comparing the two ARMITAGE III films to be a bit easier.)

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You probably saw it on SciFi. That's where it aired back in (1995? 1996?).

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First time I saw this one was in either '90 or '91; somewhere in that vicinity of time, I just know I was in elementary or going to middle school. Idk. Anyhoo, I remember watching late night anime on cable, but didn't know wtf anime was then. Just thought it was a cooler, way more adult orientated form of animation.
Guess what I'm saying is that I have a soft spot in my heart for the original. But I do have peers whom seen it recently and don't really like it at all but prefers the second one. I like em both...

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I saw this for the first time on sci fi as well, they had a lot of good films like robot carnival, 8 man after, demon city shinjuku, vampire hunter d, etc.

Now it's just...eh

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Saturday Anime was my favorite block of the Sci-Fi channel.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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Darkbenares, why are you so defensive over another person's opinion of a movie? "Why are you wasting your time talking about a movie you didn't like?" you ask. The answer is that this forum is for movie reviews. It doesn't say "good reviews only".

That having been said, my response to the original poster would be to say that the movie is good for a few reasons.
1. The artwork is great. The animation is good for its time, and bad for nowadays, but the quality of the artwork taken by itself is unrivaled. Take the sewer-entrance-to-the-castle sequence, for example. It's a plethora of finely-detailed monsters that don't have any purpose other than being a backdrop to provide atmosphere! Talk about A for effort!
2. Some of the animation techniques are simply ground-breaking and well-done. The tall-waving grass in the opening scenes is indicative of the animators' attention to detail, as is the body movement of walking humanoids. The funny thing is that walking action in humanoids approaching "the camera" actually deteriorates in the second film, where it tends to look more like an elongation of the forward leg, which then shrinks as the other leg elongates, while the shoulders sway a bit. It's totally more awkward in the second film.
3. The creative idea behind the story is awesome. Never mind that the plot is borrowed, since most plots are. A plot is not that important anyway, it's just a canvass upon which to paint an interesting story. Just pay attention to the sweeping storyline. The plot to a story is like the chord progression to a song. Yeah, a lot of songs use the same chord progression, but they still are unique in their own ways.

Anyway that's all.

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clamydia-1, I think you're right...I DID see it on Sci-Fi in the mid-1990s, when they would run anime' features late night on Saturdays. Even though I've seen smoother animation, I still think the original is a fun film. The artwork is well drawn, and the story held my attention. Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic, because this film was pretty much my introduction to anime, but when the film came to DVD and I threw it on one weekend, I still had a pretty good time watching it. I know there are some who prefer the first over the second film, and vice-versa...all just a matter of personal preference, nothing that's etched in stone anywhere. Chances are, if there had not been the first film, we wouldn't have had the second one. No one seems to be rushing out to film the other Hunter D mangas.

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What do you mean, the plot is borrowed? It was adapted from a Vampire Hunter D novel by Hideuki Kikuchi, as was Bloodlust. That's why you can't call Bloodlust a sequel.

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Very true. I know the creator of the original manga(s) has mentioned Hammer Films as an influence/inspiration, but as far as I know his plots have been his own.

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I guess instead of saying the plot is borrowed, I should have said that the basic premise is borrowed: Stranger comes to town, female needs help because bad guys are moving in on her farm, townspeople won't help her and are suspicious of strangers, little kid looks up to and wants to hang out with strong-silent type stranger, stranger moves in with female and defends her from bad guys who then proceed to kidnap her, stranger has to infiltrate fortress of bad guys and rescue female, stranger does so and then rides off into the sunset. And for any of you folks who are still iffy on the artwork/animation: Check out the scene where Magnus squishes the guy against the wall with the force of his will. Wow!

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I really liked this movie. I have it on DVD. I'd be lying if I said I prefered it to its sequel though. Bloodlust was amazing and is one of my favorite anime's of all time. Based on the ratings at this site, people gave this one a 6.7 while bloodlust got a 7.5. A 6.7 doesn't seem like raving about a movie to me. That's about fair but I would have bumped up the orginal about 1 point. The sequel, about 2 points. Overall, the original beat a LOT of other vampire movies (anime and live action), like Blood The Last Vampire. BORING!

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I saw it late night on tbs for the first time in the early 90's as well. The only way i remember it was tbs because i couldnt believe tbs was running anime on it's station.

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They have been playing it on Starz as well for the past couple of days.

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I don't mean to say this was the worst film in the world, and I do appreciate that it's nearly 20 years old, but it's like what Marcellus Wallace says to Butch in Pulp Fiction about aging like vinegar instead of fine wine.

Aww, shucks, that's harsh :)

The only thing this movie suffers from is it's dated look and one or two unnecessary flashes of nudity, but the story is much better than the cheesy romance of Bloodlust.

There's a lot of depth to be found if you look beyond the animation which, I admit, will be distracting if you saw Bloodlust first. Seeing the original will come as a bit of a shock because the gorgeous visuals of Bloodlust were so absorbing. However, there's plenty of things in the original that are well done and it all has to do with the way the story is told. I think a lot of the enjoyment is spoiled if you've seen the second movie first because you already know about D's hand, that he's a dhampir and that his father is Dracula, so when these things are revealed during the course of the first movie, you don't see them as being significant.

You ask "how can you care about any these characters?". I wonder how can you not? Doris is spurned by the townfolk and is trying to protect her brother, whom she has been raising on her own. Poor girl is so lost and in need of guidance that she mistakenly looks for it in the arms of a man who can't give her what she wants. Rei faithfully serves the count, hoping to one day join the Lee family. His code of ethics could be called vengence (a hand for a hand), but does he betray the count out of vengence or does he understand honour far better than the aristocrats? Lamika is the proud daughter of Count Lee who refuses to accept a lowly human into the family, but she learns a hard lesson in the end that the Lee family is far from being noble, yet she chooses to go down with her father's disgrace instead of accepting the human side of her. And, of course, there's the mysterious D, the son of the great prince Dracula, himself. Why does D hunt vampires? Why does he deny that side of him when Doris willingly offers herself? Why does he get so defensive whenever his origins are mentioned?

I think the characters are far more complex than those in Bloodlust. Besides Leila, no one in Bloodlust has any personal conflicts or undergoes a change of heart. I prefer the whole theme about identity in the original. It brings up some thought-provoking questions about belonging, loyalty and respect. Also, there's a lot of weirdness to enjoy like Doris' horse getting eaten, D's severed hand trying to wake him up, those snake sisters sucking D's life force (LOL that was funny), Rei's space altering power, Magnus getting nailed to the wall (ouch!) and the whole castle disappearing into the abyss, etc etc.

I think we've grown accustomed to beautifully animated movies and a certain level of realism that anything older than, say 10 years, looks cartoonish, but we shouldn't confuse that cartoonish style of drawing with the storytelling, which is as much sophisticated today as it was then.

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Here here!! That was very eloquently said, Kr24054. You opened my eyes to the identity issues. I knew about D's obviously, but the complexity of the supporting cast for some reason never really struck me until I read your post. Very insightful.

I watched this again (I own both movies on DVD) with a friend yesterday. It's been about a year since I last watched it and it still has an affect on me. It was the first anime I ever saw, so it definitely has a high standing in my heart. I cannot wait for the book to come out. Dark Horse is supposed to be publishing it in English by May, I think.

I think the original movie is better than the sequel. The sequel was just a series of battles with little or no character development. It lacked the mood, the atmosphere, and the strangeness of the original. Also I felt they tried to "Americanize" it too much, especially with the hand (God he got annoying...). I think people just like Bloodlust more because of its animation and action, but I would put the original VHD far and above Bloodlust any day for its atmosphere, characters, music, and tone.

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Your an idiot Redwolfsw. Bloodlust is better. Bloodlust has better advanced animation techniques, better story, better plot, better characters, better voice-acting and a better soundtrack. The first D movie is like any type of story.

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Your an idiot Redwolfsw. Bloodlust is better. Bloodlust has better advanced animation techniques, better story, better plot, better characters, better voice-acting and a better soundtrack. The first D movie is like any type of story. >>> I can only say that you, VampireWraith, are someone who is simply wowed by the new and can't appreciate the old. The fact that you get your panties in a bunch over a nicely expressed opinion and then start calling names says all I need to know about you and the value of your opinion.

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I think the original movie is better than the sequel. The sequel was just a series of battles with little or no character development. It lacked the mood, the atmosphere, and the strangeness of the original. Also I felt they tried to "Americanize" it too much, especially with the hand (God he got annoying...). I think people just like Bloodlust more because of its animation and action, but I would put the original VHD far and above Bloodlust any day for its atmosphere, characters, music, and tone.

Thanks for this, this sums up both my thoughts on why the first one is superior and why I believe a good majority of people like Bloodlust. There was no real story in Bloodlust it was as someone else said "cheesy romance". A good portion of the characters, I'd say about 7/12 of the main characters were just there to be offed. There's no "character development" that its fans speak of. The music is over the top, highly theatric, and it has too bright an atmosphere and too action/comedic a tone. I'll never say that Bloodlust doesn't have some of the most beautiful visuals I've ever seen in anime, but the art style in the first one is just so eerie and effective. I know people have their preferences but I feel that 99% of the people who prefer Bloodlust do so based solely on its impressive animation, and miss the point of the first movie entirely.

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Extremely well put kr24054. Basically what it comes down to is that each movie is good in it's own right. They are from 2 different anime generations and so are the people who like them. Some people prefer the black and white story of the first movie and some prefer the grey all the way through story of the 2nd movie. And a big part of it is that the first movie takes alot of us "old school" anime lovers back to the day when anime in the US was just gaining ground. Whatever the reason you like one or the other, both are great films that have their strengths and weaknesses.

Oh and VampireWraith, is calling Redwolf an "idiot" really necessary just for expressing their opinion? I think not, lest you be an opinion-nazi.

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very well stated, kr24054, I agree with your every word. It's sad that so many folks are taken in by great visuals yet seem not to care about the actual story being told. This happens with movies as well, where so many folks out there can't appreciate an old classic just because it has dated visuals or is in black and white. I mean, what ever happened to appreciating something based on the context of the era it was made in? I have not seen Bloodlust, so I cannot offer an opinion on that entry, but I do see what appears very much to be people preferring it simply because it is newer and has better animation.

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Yeah, the film does drag on pretty badly, but overall it wasn't that bad. It was at least engaging enough to make me want to see more. True, it could've been better, but then again so could have been a lot of things. I agree that the sequel is better, but the original is still worth a look.

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Your also talking about a 20 year difference in the time frame of the films, for the original it was ground breaking, hell i wouldnt have watched anime if it wasnt for watching it on SciFi years back. I love both movies, first one had its moments, as did the second. As i said before for its age and the time it was made the first was some of the best, and the same goes for the sequel. Not to mention after reading the novel for the original movie i wish they thrown in more of it.

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Maybe the movie you see first is better. Cause I saw the original first and I don't think Bloodlust even compared to it(AT ALL). Please don't yell at me :P ... I'm serious.

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I think the animation in Bloodlust trumps the original perhaps a thousand times over, I think the first one has better style.

As for the voice acting in Bloodlust... There's another reason why it sounds too much like a cheap, stupid American action film. I should read the Demon Deathchase novel, but I think that the production of Bloodlust took so much away from the seriousness of the subject matter.

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I nolonger watch anime [ I've been sick of it for years now ], but i can state with utter certainty that Vampire Hunter D '85 has stood the test of time. It's a shame that kids these days are impressed with something as shallow as 'beautiful animation' when it's obviously been used to mask what is essentially a boring, uninspired feature. Bloodlust was by far one of the most dissapointing animation experiences I've ever had, especially since i so eagerly awaited its arrival once i learned it had gone into production in the late '90s.

V.H.D.'85 is also 'shallow', to be honest... but it's 'shallow' done right. It's obviously influenced not only by the Hammer films, but by absurdist Spaghetti Westerns and the ultra-violent '60s/'70s/'80s genre films of Italy [ Which are very popular in Japan, by the way ]. Check out the gothic works of Italy [ Blood & Black Lace, Beatrice Cenci, Suspiria, The Beyond, etc. ], and you'll see how deeply the Japanese were inspired by them, especially regarding color schemes and physical violence. V.H.D.'85 offers up seriously effective low-budget atmosphere that Bloodlust trades in favor of a slick yet painfully dull aesthetic. Honestly, Bloodlust dissapointed me so much that my interest in contemporary anime began to wane immediately. Not everything animated in Japan 20+ years ago was gold, but the feeling and atmosphere the best of the crop carried [ The Fantastic Adventures Of Unico, Barefoot Gen, Dallos, etc. ] has yet to be beaten. In my opinion, anime is dead and rotting.

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As someone who loves both VHD films, I've gotta respectfully disagree with folks who dismiss BLOODLUST as mere "cheesy romance" and say it's lacking in the story department. Character development is essential to a good story, and I don't see any of the major characters (Charlotte, Meier, Leila, D) as purely one-dimensional. Charlotte and Meier are both blessed and tormented by the love that they've found in a world that rejects their union. Charlotte, especially, is torn because she has sacrificed being with her family to be with Meier. Essentially, they're a pair of mismatched lovers that just want to be left alone, and the world won't comply (the metaphor for interracial dating and marriage is obvious but no less compelling). Meier is not a totally self-interested bloodsucking fiend like Count Magnus Lee - he's actually not really a "bad guy" at all in the context of the world that D inhabits. He genuinely cares about Charlotte and has to constantly fight the blood lust that drives him to (as D puts it) "take her." One gets the sense that this is a relationship that is doomed never to be fully consummated, if only because Meier doesn't want to risk turning his only love into a monster.

Leila is VERY dimensional - in fact, I'd say she's really the heart of the film. Her character is given much more attention than the "romance" between Meier and Charlotte that some folks seem so fixated on. Having lost her parents to vampires, she has spent most of her young life pursuing and slaughtering monsters, and it's starting to get to her. The conversation she has with D in the rain sequence is beautiful and adds to our understanding of both characters. While she's a very capable fighter (so is Doris, in the book - I can't get past her juvenile little girl pigtails in the original anime. Very annoying character design.), she's starting to shed the blind hate that has been driving her. The more she watches the struggles of Meier and Charlotte and interacts with D, the more her driven hunter persona begins to crack, and it's wonderful to watch.

D is definitely more developed in this film - esp. re: his vulnerabilities as a dhampir (the "heat syndrome" from too much sunlight) and his deep-seated ambivalence (if not downright hatred) re: his own ancestry (note that Carmilla tries to tap into this with her illusion of his mother). Left Hand astutely remarks that D is troubled by the thought of Meier and Charlotte producing a dhampir child - one that would grow up trapped between two worlds, fitting into neither, perhaps enduring the same fate and becoming a hunter (which D himself asserts is "no kind of life"). D's been hired to take Charlotte back, but he's not driven solely by dollar signs. He's got genuine compassion for both her and for Meier, and he hesitates when Charlotte calls out to Meier during their first confrontation. He also refuses to kill Meier at the end, in tacit acknowledgment that Meier, too, has a worthy sense of honor. We also learn about how D is often treated by those he helps - the "ignorant bastards" whose prejudice compels them to drive him out of town after he has saved their children. At the end, we learn that D cares enough about a human friend to recall and honor a promise to put flowers on her grave when she dies many years later. I love the original D movie as well, but it doesn't come anywhere close to BLOODLUST in terms of giving the main character dimension.

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wyvernkd.

Beautifully put. Hear hear/

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