Ruth's folly


OK, so at the end of the film, Vukovich tells Ruth regarding Thomas Ling, "You knew that guy was FBI." Huh? How does she know? Did she have counter-informants in the Bureau? And even if this street hustler did know Ling was an agent, she didn't know Chance was going to rob him. What kind of set-up is that?

Or was Ruth's thinking supposed to be, "Because Chance is treating me so shabbily, I'll tell him about the rumor I heard on the chance he'll arrest this jewelry fence, whom I really know is an FBI agent; and maybe in the confusion, Chance will get into big trouble with his superiors."

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Farley,

It is certainly not implausible that Ruth could have known Ling was FBI. For whatever reason her character is supposed to be well connected in terms of info. The key thing as far as the film is concerned is that she doesn't deny Vukovich's allegation.

The key setup scene was when Chance went into the club where Ruth worked, to ask her again about Ling. My recollection is she asks Chance how he can do anything if Ling is only carrying money and hasn't committed a crime (yet). At the least she was pondering whether Chance was thinking of arresting Ling.

And of course the next time we see Chance and Ruth together is after Chance and Vukovich rob Ling. And Chance gives her some money. Where else did it come from?

Then there was the fact that through all these discussions, she never mentioned Ling's FBI involvement, and also that Ruth was trying to get away from the whole scene at the film's end, remembering an earlier reference to her having a kid who apparently lived somewhere other than LA. But Chance didn't let her leave, just as Vukovich wouldn't. Yes, it fits that Ruth may have just started out mentioning the Ling thing in the hope that Chance, hot shot that he is, might screw up in dealing with an FBI agent and get in trouble with his boss. Out of resentment, or perhaps that he might even be transferred or lose his job, and no longer be stopping her from leaving town.

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roegcamel and kenny, it's not just that Ruth has this privilege FBI info, it's that Vukovich accuses her of setting up him and Chance. What kind of set-up can this be? How is she getting even with Chance by sending him to arrest the wrong guys? When Chance goes to the strip club, it's obvious she doesn't realize that Chance intends to rob Ling. It might work if she knew Chance had robbed hustlers before and was desperate for the money for his own sting of Masters. Then it might make sense for Ruth to send him to commit a crime against people only she knew were law-enforcement agents, but none of that is in the script. The fact is, all she knows after the aborted robbery is that Ling never showed up for his appointment. "He sure didn't, " Chance responds.

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Well, I'm not Kenny, so I guess I can write there is a new improved blu-ray version of THE FRENCH CONNECTION, which is supposed to be far superior to the previously released version.

Good point about Ruth's ambivalence towards Vukovich at the end of the film. Still think it's pretty sloppy writing all-around. These stories always work better when the characters are sharp and crafty and fail when they've out-foxed their opponents once too often. Here, Chance is a pretty dumb agent. Why else would he sit a block away in his car surveilling a couple of counterfeiters, then jump out to chase them on foot rather than drive right up to them and cut them off?

There's no telling what Ruth's motives are (sexual or otherwise) except she wants to see her kid, whom she hasn't had any recent contact with. I think we learn more about their relationship during the next morning when Chance looks into the mirror staring at his true love.

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Farley,

All Ruth had to know about was that Chance probably was not going after Ling with his superior's knowledge. He then gets tied up with the FBI, and it makes him look bad.

The point in any event is she does not deny that she knew Ling was FBI. Why did she not tell that to Chance?

It's clear her motive is to get away from her life, get away from LA. She is packed to leave once Chance is dead, but Vukovich lets her know she's not going anywhere.

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SPOILER ALERT!



I agree, there are scant few people who are willing to sit in the middle of a fire waiting to burn to death (maybe Masters was a fan of those Vietnamese monks who immolated themselves in the 60's). Still, on the plus side this film does have that super-duper chase scene; and Chance getting his head blown off is one of the great shockers in American cinema. Of course, we've also got...

"Why are you chasin' me, man?"
"Why are you runnin'?"
"Cause you're chasin' me."

Ugh!

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If Friedkin had no hand in the writing maybe it will be OK. I didn't think BUG was terrible (not great, but compared to JADE and RAMPAGE it was a must-see). I also thought BLUE CHIPS was somewhat underrated. The jury 's really going to be out for KILLER JOE. Friedkin's been working on fumes for the past 20 years, so forgive me for being cynical. But it would be great if there's something left in the tank. Would also love to see him work with Gene Hackman one last time.

Also, what's the deal with him shooting films only on the West Coast? L.A., San Francisco, Sacramento, Stockton etc. Where does KILLER JOE take place, Ukum-Snukum?

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killer joe. i wanted to see it. but it was in the theater around here for a couple hours. then gone.




His name...was Julio Iglesias!

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Yeah, I caught it on the fly myself. Just happened to catch it on a Wednesday night. By Friday, it was gone.

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she's honest.




His name...was Julio Iglesias!

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roegcamel,
If you're still around. Did see KILLER JOE. I rather enjoyed it. The film's light-escapist entertainment about a cop who moonlights as a contract killer and the trailer park people he befriends.

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cool a blu-ray is out this early. thx for the heads up.




His name...was Julio Iglesias!

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I don't think it's great, but it breezes along given the subject matter. I don't know if Friedkin's been slumming as much as he'd run out of gas. Just don't go in with great expectations, you'll be fine.

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run of out gas? well, it is pretty expensive these days.




His name...was Julio Iglesias!

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I think she maybe sets Chance up although her intentions were possibly not to have him killed. Chance makes it clear in the film that he is largely unsympathetic to her plight and will continue to use her for information as long as possible which would no doubt mean being put in dangerous positions on a regular basis.

Facing this situation many people would be happy to do anything to be rid of the person using them. Perhaps she all she wants is for Chance to completely *beep* things up, get caught and she will be free of him.

At the very end it seems clear that Vukovich has come to this conclusion and takes over from where Chance left off. I think this makes sense.

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true points. and yeah, great point about the end! with vukovich.






Where there's smoke, there's barbecue!

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Where there's smoke, there's barbecue!

LOL, nutsberry!


Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and / or doesn't.

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thanks!



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That's something of a logical explanation. The only problem is Vukovich accuses Ruth of "setting them up," so her plan would have to be that she's sending Chance to arrest the wrong guys.

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Was it supposed to be some kind of irony that Ruth had a Biblical name?

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Good question. I'm not familiar with the story of Ruth, but I'm sure scholars can find something in the tale that conforms to the character in TO LIVE AND DIE

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Here ya go, wrfarley:

Mainly: Ruth's identity as a non-Israelite and the stress on the need for an inclusive attitude towards foreigners suggests an origin in the fifth century BCE, when intermarriage had become controversial [/i]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ruth
The Book of Ruth (Hebrew: ืžื’ื™ืœืช ืจื•ืชโ€Žโ€Ž, Ashkenazi pronunciation: [mษ™หˆษกษชlษ™s rus], Megilath Ruth, "the Scroll of Ruth", one of the Five Megillot) is included in the third division, or the Writings (Ketuvim), of the Hebrew Bible; in the Christian canon it is treated as a history book and placed between Judges and 1 Samuel.[1] It is named after its central figure, Ruth the Moabitess, the great-grandmother of David.

The book tells of Ruth's accepting the God of the Israelites as her God and the Israelite people as her own. In Ruth 1:16-17, Ruth tells Naomi, her Israelite mother-in-law, "Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God. Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried. May the Lord deal with me, be it ever so severely, if even death separates you and me." The book is held in esteem by Jews who fall under the category of Jews-by-choice, as is evidenced by the considerable presence of Boaz in rabbinic literature. The Book of Ruth also functions liturgically, as it is read during the Jewish holiday of Shavuot ("Weeks").[2]

The book is traditionally ascribed to the prophet Samuel, but does not name its author.[3] A date during the monarchy (i.e., prior to 586 BCE) is suggested by the book's interest in the ancestry of David, but Ruth's identity as a non-Israelite and the stress on the need for an inclusive attitude towards foreigners suggests an origin in the fifth century BCE, when intermarriage had become controversial (as seen in Ezra 9:1 and Nehemiah 13:1).[4]


"Two more swords and I'll be Queen of the Monkey People." Roseanne

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That Ho gonna get herself killed for sure.


Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and / or doesn't.

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