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I think we could've done without the plane crash scene!


This is an excellent movie as a whole, packed with some of Patsy's great original recordings. But there's one part of this movie I never liked.

I never liked the scene showing the plane crash. All the ending scenes of the aftermath at the end were terrific and the final scene of Charlie playing the air guitar while listening to "Crazy" nearly ripped your heart out. But I never liked the scene where the plane crashes.

I just feel that all her family and friend have seen this movie and don't really want to be reminded how she died. I just think that out of respect for Patsy,s family and friends (especially her children who were practically babies at the time), the whole plane crash scene was in very poor taste.

Anyone agree?

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I think it's essential in a biopic that if the person dies, the viewer knows closely to the facts how she died. I agree with you that something about that scene in the movie is in poor taste. I think a lot of it has to do with the conversation and what happened before the crash--it's pure fiction. Nobody knows what happened in that plane.

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I agree. We dont know what happened in the plane, but yes, you need to know how they died.

Ive seen this movie at least 10 times now, and its never fails to rip my heart out when I see this scene. As turbulant as her life is portrayed, its that one moment in the film that makes me cry every time.

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You are telling a real story, and she died in a plane crash. When they made a Night to Remember back in the 50's their were still Titanic survivors alive. Should they not show the sinking of the ship. It's all a part of the story. Plus, most of the time family memembers are somewhat familiar with the script of the movie.

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The only problem I have with the plane crash scene is it is inaccurate. They didn't crash into a mountain. The crash site was a wooded area.

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Not only that, but the crash was in the middle of the night.

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Oh really? I thought it was in the neighborhood of 6 in the evening.

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I looked it up. Patsy's watch stopped at 6:20 pm.

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No it wasn't. according to a watch belonging to Patsy, the watch stopped at 6:20PM which given that time of the year, would have made it slightly past dark.

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The plane crash scene always bothered me too, if for no other reason, that from a practical standpoint, no one knows what went on in that plane...we all know how Patsy died and it was unnecessary to show these people facing their final moments as this plane extremely graphically crashes into this mountain...I also agree about the final image of Ed Harris playing air guitar to "Crazy." Loved Ed Harris as Charlie. He was so sexy in this movie.

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They should have done what they did in Out Of Africa. You don't 'see' Robert Redford's character get killed in a plane. You just hear about it. It just works out a lot better that way.

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They could have showed the farmer that lived near by and saw the plane go over, having trouble with the engine, and heard it crash.


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I live not too far from the place where the plane went down, which is oft-quoted as "near Dyersburg TN" but is actually closer to Camden TN. And no, there are no damned mountains like that in West Tennessee, although there are some hills as you approach Nashville. They would have had to be skimming the treetops to find something like that to crash into. I've heard there is a memorial of some kind at the crash site, but being in a wooded area it is hard to find. Maybe sometime I will go looking for it.

I don't know about the farmer, but I have read in several places that when the news raced around the airwaves that the plane was missing, many people, including country singers in the area, combed the area and called out the names of the hoped-for-survivors. Roger Miller described the crash site as "ghastly." Nose down crash.

It's also popular news that after the bodies were taken away, souvenir hunters ransacked the wreckage for keepsakes. Who ARE these people who would do that?? Even pieces of the plane were taken away. Some apparently was donated to the Country Music Hall of Fame (I'm not sure I'd want to see the display), but the white dress Patsy wore at her last public appearance disappeared.

Of course nobody knows what went on in the plane. Patsy mentions in her phone call to her mother (which did take place) that the weather had been bad. Apparently when they stopped at Dyersburg they were advised to wait because of the weather, but Randy Hughes, who was piloting, said they were nearly home. I don't mind the artistic license of imaginging them in the plane - the drama of the engine dying and them panicking, then relief, and THEN the crash comes - for those who knew how she died, those scenes carry as much impact as if we HADN'T known. Even though you know what's going to happen, you hope they make it anyway. I watched the movie with my daughter tonight (after she ragged me about "not liking country music") and I hadn't watched it in years. Of course, I knew the crash was coming, but when they pulled up and saw the mountain, I jumped and turned away, wringing my hands - just knowing she had died in some sort of similar way was disturbing to watch again. Yes, they took dramatic license, but it did drive the tragedy home.

And how in the world would you tell Patsy's story without the plane crash? I can't imagine how a phone call would have the same impact. Ok, fine, in Coal Miner's Daughter, Loretta Lynn hearing the news over the radio was pretty bad. Powerful impact there because not only did Loretta consider Patsy her best friend, but she was also pregnant with twins at the time (Loretta was) and Patsy had been emotionally supportive.

But still, when doing a biopic, the person's death is part of it, especially when it's not from natural causes. Anne Boleyn always gets beheaded, JFK always gets shot, any movie about Patsy Cline will end in a plane crash.

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i agree, AND i think the way La Bamba dealt with the issue made it even more emotional. something that this movie really needed.

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And how in the world would you tell Patsy's story without the plane crash? I can't imagine how a phone call would have the same impact.

Yes, I think you need to see this scene happen to sever the audience's connection to the main character. The viewers (who may not know too much about Cline's life in particular) really need to know she is GONE.

And there's nothing in poor taste about the dialogue that precedes the crash. The passengers aren't doing anything out of the ordinary. It's not as if the screenwriter had them all suddenly shooting heroin, or making out with each other nude. The group is just chatting innocuously.

The point of the scene is that the heroine says her husband's name right before she dies. Since the couple's marriage has tension in it, the filmmakers want the audience to remember that this version of the events was a love story.

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They could have showed the farmer that lived near by and saw the plane go over, having trouble with the engine, and heard it crash.


Plane crashes and such in these films never really bother me, but what I do not like about these films is speculation on what they people supposedly do in their final moments. No one knows. I would rather there not be any speculation at all.

I agree that for the audience to know, the main character dies, just make it a news announcement on the Radio or TV or something, and have everyone upset, and a funeral. If the audience can't figure that out, they probably should not see these films anyway...

However, If it is really necessary to show a crash, then I agree with you, SilverCreedWolf, just show it from a farmer's view with the plane going out of site with a sound of a crash and smoke rising from the horizon.

Showing PATSY screaming inside a plane as it collides with the "GROUND" is in poor taste.

Yet, showing that her last thoughts were of Charlie made things interesting too... I'm not sure if something else could have been done. Perhaps just before climbing into the plane, she could have been thinking of Charlie, and just softly said "Charlie" to herself.

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There is a scene in a movie about the Kennedy's where Kathleen Kennedy dies in a plane crash and it is the exact same footage as the plane crash in Sweet Dreams! I guess they were to cheap to film new footage!

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It was well handled in The Buddy Holly Story. The screen freezes at his last performance and a simple caption with some soft violin music in the background.

I was the one who started this thread way back in 2005! And to the poster who mentioned A Night To Remember? You are absolutely right. I don't think I worded my post right. The main thing I had a problem with, as some have already pointed out here, is that nobody knows what happened in that plane, so to portray the crash the way they did, I just felt they were trying to push the drama card a little too far.

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I knew nothing about pastsy cline, it was a bio so i decided to check it out. liked it. so I was shocked she died in the end. I had no idea. so I covered my mouth in shock on the plane crash scene. then asked myself-"how the *beep* do they know the plane engine cut off a few times before crashing?" that's what i didn't like, them showing the engine cutting off a few times. they don't know that.

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Yeah, I didn't really like that scene, but the way she says "Charlie" is just perfect and says so much in that last moment of her life, I think it saves the whole scene and it's also one of the best moments of Lange's performance.

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I hated her saying "Charlie". We don't know what she said. Of course, I hated Charlie so that's coloring my opinion.

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The plane crash was a vital part of the movie. So I disagree with you.

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