Did Gil really love Cecilia?


We watched this movie last week in my film class and my professor asked the class the question "Did Gil really love Cecilia?" She said there was an answer in the way the film was made. The class had mixed reactions but we didn't know what she was talking about since we were all amateurs.

But the answer is yes, he did really love her.. and here's why:
When they're in the music store, they start to recite lines from one of his movies. She says something along the lines of "If you must go, don't look back." Cut to the end of the movie when Cecilia is outside of the theatre and she turns to the right I believe. This scene then goes to Gil on the airplane. He turns to the left (so it looks like they turned towards each other). He looked back. He really did love her.

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Hm, maybe he did in a way. But there's that sense that he was being fake from the start. Sure he enjoyed her company because, pretentious as he is, she kept complimenting his acting skills all the time and he was constantly flattered. And sure he does seem to feel some guilt right at the end but you don't stand up someone like that if you love them. I think he loves himself way more than he could have ever loved her, hewould have come back otherwise or showed up at least.

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I tend to agree with you as well...I think Gil was doing whatever he felt necessary to get Baxter back onscreen and if that meant convincing Cecelia that he was in love with her then so be it. I think the look that the OP mentioned that Gil gives towards the direction of Cecelia is more guilt than love lost. I think he feels bad about some of the things he had to do but I never got the feeling that he really loved Cececila. Baxter did, Gil didn't.

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I think Gil was protecting his career more than anything. Sure he found her charming but the bottom line was getting Tom Baxter back in the movie so he could pursue his career.And he "acted" like he was a competitor for Cecelia's affections, gave her reason to believe there was "chemistry" so Tom went back in the picture.
Then next day he "couldn't wait" to get back to Hollywood. I'm sure he did think of Cecilia on the plane though and wondered what if things were differnt....

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I think Gil was extremely flattered by Cecilia's admiration for the movie and I think part of him was harboring some sort of affection for her, but Gil was a typical actor...completely self-absorbed and no matter what happens in his life his career came first and once Tom went back into the movie, Cecilia had served her purpose and thus the heartbreaking ending of this film.

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although I would love to believe that Gil really did love her, I'm still stuck with the line he says to her in the same music store. (forgive me if I get the phrasing wrong, my friend still has my copy) "You looked like you really loved her" "Oh, us actors can just turn that stuff on" okay, so he pretty much said that he acts like he's in love all the time. plus th line that you brought up is from a movie he was in, not necessarily any real feelings.

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It wasn't me who said it.. my film professor did!

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I only watched it last week and I was blown away by it. My heart sank at the final scene. To answer your question, I don't think he loved her. There is absolutely no way in hell you would do that to someone you love. His career and his life back in Hollywood was far more important than she was. In saying that, I do think he felt guilty about leaving her.

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Isn't the ending of this movie absolutely heartbreaking? Tears my guts out every time I watch it.

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you summed my feelings perfectly

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Have you ever seen Annie Hall where Alvy and Annie are standing in line to go see a movie and the loudmouth film professor in front of them goes on and on about Marshal McLuhan and how his movies are so full of it. Well, Alvy then goes over and pulls the real Marshal McLuhan from behind a plant and McLuhan tells this film prof. how he has no idea about his movies and he's basically an idiot?

Has your film prof seen this scene?

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They both loved her for different reasons. All is well that ends well. She had trouble accepting love. The decision was hers.
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Tom Baxter loved Cecilia because it was "written into his character," as he says. The script of the movie within the movie presumes he is the ideal, or "perfect", man, and whatever Cecilia desires in a man is reflected back to her. (Remember the scene in the brothel? There too, Tom has that function for the women around him.)

Gil Shepherd, however, is a real human being, and thus more complex - and he has some flaws. At first he responds to her flattery, flattery based on his movie roles, not the real person, because Celicia doesn't know him except through his films. He is more interested in her opinion of him than in what she is really like.

At the end, I think, he realizes that she could never fit into his life in Hollywood. He may have a guilty conscience about it but, as an actor, he is able to understand the diffence between reality and fantasy better than Cecilia can.

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This is exactly the kind of post I was going to make, just 2 and a half years later! I believe that Gil was simply soaking in all the attention, the attention he craved, he had ambitions but felt he was not given the recognition he deserved. When Cecilia gave him the kind of praise he probably had never heard before, he fell "in love" with her admiration for him, but I don't think he actually loved her, he just loved being with her, because she told him what he so desperately wanted to hear.

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I think it's quite simple: Gil probably did fall in love with Cecilia, but this love didn't match the love he had for himself. He likely didn't believe he could continue his Hollywood career with Cecilia at his side, so he had to leave her behind -- although clearly it wasn't an easy decision.

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I don't know what movie you were watching, but Gil didn't love Cecelia...he was doing and saying whatever he needed to do or say to get Tom to go back in the movie. If you think Gil loved Cecelia, I have to wonder if you saw the entire movie.

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100% agree. I don't even see how there is reasonable belief that he loved her. If the film was shot from his perspective it would basically be a con-artist heist film. He did whatever he needed to do to get his character back into the film.

Did he feel bad about it? Yeah, it certainly seemed so, but i don't think he had any real feeling for her.

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based on my read of woody allen, i think gil's feelings toward cecilia were left ambiguous or ambivalent, and were meant to be. my thought is that gil couldn't have "fleshed out" tom unless he were a real part of the actor's psyche. thus, whatever part of gil tom came from really did love her, and maybe that's the part he was contemplating on the airplane.

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Gil did love Cecilia. I think it showed a bit on the airplane. He probably had to move as he was a movie star and has a career to build on. I expected the ending.

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deep down, i think he did love her, thats why he was so down on the airplane. however, i think his producers convinced him to leave, plus he probably convinced himself that his career is worth more than some poor broad from jersey.

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I doubt that he loved her at all. He certainly may have felt bad about deceiving her but he was more interested in making sure his acting career wasn't ruined.

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I think he did love her, but he was just too focused on his career.

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I agree, he did love her but he wouldn't ruin his career for it.
The ending is really quite sad, but also one of the reasons why I really like the movie. On a side note, Jeff Daniels was awesome in this. Despite what he did, I think he is one of the most likeable characters I have ever seen in a movie.

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I agree, he did love her, but loved his career more. Too bad, cause now she may have to go back to her husband, again.

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You don't have to worry. I have seen a version that is few minutes longer. Gil changes decision on the plane and demands plane to return for Cecilia. Right
after the last scene where she is watching Fred Astaire dancing he comes into the theatre and sits near her. They kiss. This is the right ending. I don't know why this shorter version became distributed more.

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Where did you see this other version? I've never heard of it. You must be having a joke, right?

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i don't believe you. i've never heard of this. do you have any references for this?

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I think the existing ending makes sense.

When Gil and Cecilia meet, it's an interaction between a celebrity and a fan, not a natural meeting between two people. Cecilia showers him with flattery, and he initially responds to that. But she really doesn't know him per se; she only knows his movie roles and probably the publicity allowed by the film studio.

Gil may be intrigued by her at first but, since he is a professional actor, he figures out the difference between fantasy and reality faster than she does.

As the recently deceased Betty Hutton once said: "All four of my husbands fell in love with Betty Hutton; they didn't fall in love with me."

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great story, great characters, and so beautifully done.
someone here said that Tom loved Cecilia because it was written into his character. i loved that.
here's the way i see it:
i believe he also loved her because of the "life" given to him by Gil.
and it was probably that same part of Gil jimself that made him love her as well.
but there is a huge difference between the real and the symbol.
there could be no other ending to complete this story.
in real life, Gil and Cecilia could never be together. she had to choose reality, and she will probably go back to watching movies. for her, the movies represent escape. i like to believe that she leaves Monk, but i'm not completely sure of that. real people dont always change.
and Gil- i believe he really does love her, but being a real person he is not a "courageous poetic and romantic" soul. he is a coward, and he has a career to take care of. he will never forget her, but he'll also never fight to be with her.

and at the end of the movie, we really have to accept reality along with Cecilia.
and that is so perfect.

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Actually, when I mentioned "written into his character," that's a quote from Tom himself. I forgot the exact context, but he was saying that he was an admirable person - almost the ideal man in fact - because his role was written that way. In some odd way he is aware that he is fictional.

I'm not sure Gil is particulary admirable, but he is not quite a coward either. My take on him is that he becomes aware that Cecilia's interest in him is more fan flattery than love. He sees that she is already obessed with Tom, his on-screen persona, on that must give him some doubts. If his ego wasn't so big he would have recognized this when he met her and not led her on.

There's a reason celebrities often date and marry other celebrities - not because of snobbery, but because these are the only people they can trust to see them as they really are.

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i agree.
there is a specific moment at the end of the scene at the music store. he is helping her with her coat while she is talking about Tom, and his face drops.
the real person is here, and she is (at this point) talking about the fictional as the real (even if she calls him fictional), and making Gil appear unreal.
kind of a tragic flaw. and when she finally makes up her mind, its all gone

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:D Yeah right!

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I think the question is ridiculously simplistic. Love is not a simple yes-or-no.

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I think Gil loved the idea of Cecilia loving him. He loved the attention and admiration, but true love they are not. At the same token, Cecilia also loved the idea of this big celebrity star wisking her away from her dire domestic life. You see, there is "love" and there is "true love". True love is giving up everything that is important to you for that person, loving them despite their celebrity status, their flaws. The other side of love is the conditional love. Gil was "loving" Cecilia on the condition she would persuade Baxter to return, and Cecilia was "loving" Gil on the condition of him taking her to Hollywood. The only person who truly loved someone was Baxter loving Cecilia, hence he unconditionally gave up the real world and return to the celluloid screen for her. So the question is who did Cecilia really loved? We get to see her in the end, sad and alone, thinking that she was blinded by reality and the only thing that was truly real was the character Baxter.

Sometimes I wonder of Cecilia's state of mind. She strikes me as someone who is willing to go with any man just to get away from her husband. She was willing to go with Baxter but when the next best thing came along, she was willing to go with Gil. Cecilia is always waiting for something to happen in her life and when the best (Baxter) has happened to her she lost him to the "fake" person. What Woody is trying to convey is- Is love real? Is the love of Baxter, a movie character came to life, real or is the love of Gil, made of flesh and bones, real love? As we see, real true love was Baxter. And Cecilia was too gullible, naive and a bit greedy to realize that her actions resulted in the love she lost.

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I wouldn't attend a class taken by your professor - I don't think anyone could be sure on the matter and the evidence she cites is just banal. The plane scene suggests that Gil has some regrets about the affair but this could be the regret that he has put his career over his love for Cecilia or it could be that he is just sorry for messing her around to get what he wanted.

I would argue the answer is likely to be that Gil doesn't love Cecilia because the film contrasts fiction and reality and Allen is a pessimist about reality. The fictional Tom Baxter loves Cecilia in (for Allen) an unreal way. Cecilia chooses reality and thus can never have that kind of idealised love. For me the film is similar to Sullivan's Travels: a defence of the limitations of cinema because, even if escapism is an unreality, it cheers people up and offers them what real life can't grant them.

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"my career is on the line" was his main focus and he loves all the attention he gets from Cecilia and others and is concerned about the next big thing in his career as an actor

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Well that could just be your teacher over analyzing the film and making a fool of herself or she could have a valid point. Clearly you are right about the ending with him looking back at her and I guess he could have liked her and felt sorry for her, feeling like a douche too probably but if he loved her he wouldn't have left.

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