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Brother Constance (Jay Patterson's Character) Unforgettable!


Guys,

Heaven Help Us is a standout film and one of the best high school filmes ever made! But what really stands out is the character of Brother Constance. Jay Patterson as the sadistic disciplinarian was so chilling and so real that it made you feel like this was a documentary about a strict Catholic High School rather than a movie!

I was bothered by the ending in which Brother Thadus (Donald Sutherland in an excellent performance) simply transfers Brother Constance out of the school. Brother Constance should have been received a harsher punishment. But perhaps in 1965, where absuses of power and athority within the educational system were not reported like they were today, maybe it was common for a lot of teachers who abused their authority and their students to simply get transfered to another school.

This is a GREAT MOVIE!

Joe

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I'm quite sure today if they had someone like Brother Constance in any Catholic school, that school could face criminal and/or liability charges, even a lawsuit.

The Catholic church (in the United States) with all this contraversy of priests and brothers molesting boys already has black eye. I'm quite sure they are more vigilant now as to how brothers and priests relate to students.

I went to Catholic school during the first 3 years of high school, and we had a brother that was an archetype of Brother Constance. Though he never actually struck a student, while he was at my school anyway, he often threatened to. After 2 years he was transferred (I wonder why?). I would hear a few years later that this guy was actually "asked to leave" the brotherhood (a euphemism for "getting kicked out"). I can only imagine what had happened.

The movie was great though, I do enjoy viewing it again from time to time. I did like the ending where Michael (played by Andrew McCarthy) decks Brother Constance right between the eyes! I applauded him!

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Sorry, guys, corporal punishment was still alive and well in the 1980s when I went to high school. Trust me, I was on the receiving end for such offenses as forgetting my homework and not having my jock in gym class. I doubt it's changed much today.

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Yes, Br Constance is transferred out of the school by Br Thaddeus, but Br Thaddeus also says something about making sure Constance never works with children again.

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Holy crap, I'm still scared of Brother Constance! His character steals this movie.

As another veteran of Catholic schooling, I found this movie to be a pretty fair represenation (especially since it was set in the '60s). Very enjoyable and highly underrated.

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That is one of the BEST villain performances ever! He was also very good in Places in the Heart as a corrupt businessman and klansman as well.

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I ordered this movie off amazon as a Christmas present for myself. I know the whole thing so well but as "catholic boys" as I live in ireland. ( always wondered about different titles in different territories)

I think the punishment to brother Constance is fairly typical of what would have happened at the time. to be honest It might even be excessive. Thadeus would really have been regarded as a maverick because of what he did. Blind eyes were thrown to many shortcomings by members of the clergy.

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I lived in the New York City area for most of my childhood. My whole family going back a few generations have all received Catholic education (and we're still Catholic.) Perhaps I could be of some assistance on the subject.

Nowadays, what Brother Constance meted out as punishment is considered an abomination and no school in New York or New Jersey (across the Hudson River) allows it. New York abolished the practice of corporal punishment in 1985, but as far as I remember, the actual practice began to die out much earlier, starting around 1970. If Brother Constance tried what he did in the film today in 2009, it is very likely he would have been taken away in handcuffs: In between 1965 and 1985, there were scandals involving teachers who put kids in the hospital with broken bones and severe injuries both in Catholic schools and public schools. It took children with concussions to bring parents to their senses that there is a fine line between discipline and all out cruelty, assault.

Unfortunately, when my father was a teenager (he was almost the same age as the boys in this film) no such law was in place, and the orders who ran the schools had a reputation to be learned men and women of the cloth: you have to remember that in America becoming a priest or a nun had been, for a very long time, a path to education. Also, for a very, very long time, these nuns and priests would often be the only people in immigrant communities with any education, sometimes the only ones that could read (this encompassed the Irish, the Italians, the Poles, some Germans, etc.) Such conditions gave the priests and nuns an inordinate amount of power over their charges and the families. (My father's family emigrated from Tourmakeady via London c. 1920. My great-grandfather was only fourteen years old when his schooling stopped because he was one of nine kids, and he had to go to London to work the docks with his father and brothers to support the family. He saw the Church as a means to take care of his family and later, in America, ensure that they had opportunities he could only dream of when he was a boy, like getting an education that in his mind was only reserved for Protestants of a much higher caste.) The trust my grandparents and great-grandparents placed in the nuns and priests was rarely questioned, so men like Brother Constance could take advantage of what were usually honest, good intentions to better one's lot in life and rule with an iron fist.

The reason that Brother Thaddeus did not punish Constance any farther than what he did was because technically there was no crime committed. He was not obligated to go to the police. He certainly could not keep Constance at St. Basil's and he did not have the authority to throw Constance out of the order (only the pope can do this but back then defrocking was very, very rare.) His students could not expect much better treatment if they went to a plain, publicly funded school and they would be disconnected from the Church. The best Thaddeus could do was ask for Constance's reassignment to a place where there were no children and warn the higher ups that Constance, basically, made Beelzebub look like Hannah Montana. (Obviously the same strategy backfired in cases of molestation, which pretty much has always been very, very, very, ILLEGAL and the men who shifted around the perverts should have absolutely called the police.)


Otherwise, in America, corporal punishment like this is rare and has been declining for years. It is still on the books in most of the South and in border states (and most often done there.) However, my cousins got most of their educations in Texas and Arizona: my 16 year old cousin Sam at worst has to do laps around the field in the blistering heat if he behaves badly in gym class, and out West that is enough punishment! Other parts of the South still have it but mostly Christian fundamentalist schools use it (this amounts to 5% or less of the total school age population in each state; the Bible Belt may be much more conservative than the rest of the nation but most parents aren't so trusting as to blindly allow teachers to behave like the Trunchbull.) If you want to see what real corporal abuse looks like, look to South Korea or parts of Japan: it is frightening.

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Or even worse yet Singapore...remember Michael Fay, the American kid from Ohio who vandalized cars in Singapore in the early 1990's and got a few whacks on the bare fanny with a wet rattan cane from a martial arts expert? I wonder if there might be YouTube video footage of this, but probably not...but there is a video clip of a young (high school aged?) boy being caned in front of his whole class (fully clothed) for bringing pornographic material to school.

"I'd be very happy to be myself if I could remember who I am. Who am I?"

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That caning of the young boy being caned in school is no comparison to judicial caning. Judicial caning rips your bare butt to shreds leaving weals of blood pulp for weeks and once you can sit down again, you're still somewhat crippled for life.

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Brother Constance was not limited to Catholic schools. I attended another denominational parochial school in the late 1960's and early 1970's--5th through 8th grade. There were at least 2 teachers who possessed and used paddles. It was not uncommon to be forcibly grabbed by the arm or the back of the neck for the slightest infraction (or even innocent mistake)and it was very common to see a student who did not have the best grades humiliated in front of everyone. My experience was not as violent as the movie portrayed, but if a fraction of what my Catholic friends told me was true, this is an accuarate portrayal.

I guess the fact so many have described the character as real is scary, but proff Jay Patterson did an amazing job.

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He did do a tremendous job with this character. I felt it was one of the better performances of the 1980s actually....surprised his acting/film career wasn't more successful or more weii-known etc

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I was in public schools from 1965 to 1977 ... corporal punishment was fully allowed up until about 1973-74, then it started tailing off severely. There was always a teacher or two (usually the sports coaches who also had an arts class, or maybe English classes), who went overboard on the "paddling"! Some of them would beat the crap out of students! The rule at MY house ... if U got paddled at school, U also got whooped at home! U would never hear of that today!

"I'm gonna hunt for U, I WILL find U, and I will KILL U"! L.Neeson - TAKEN

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i graduated high school in 1988. corporal punishment was alive and well.

coaches were mainly the ones... the dual service variety that "taught" shop or whatever were the ones that the bad kids were "sent to". one day in 9th grade, i achieved fame. i was the goody two shoes of the class and made all the A's. i ended up doing something silly that was interpreted to require punishment.

coach howard was called in. i was shaking in my shoes because i'd only heard word of how he brought one of the larger football players to his knees. i was asked to bend over the desk in front of the class. he drew back the paddle and i was just hoping to not cry in front of everyone. he hit....and the sheer relief that i didn't get crippled caused me to laugh.

his eyes bugged out in his head similar to brother constance. i immediately grabbed hiney and screamed "OUCH!!!"

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Go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!

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Yeah he nailed it. Incredible performance. I went to catholic school and that character gives me the chills.

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I'm trying not to make Brother Constance as a black and white bad guy. It seems like he had good and sincere intentions, but had some serious issues! Besides, being celibate AND no masturbating can make a man go crazy or else vent his frustrations elsewhere. And he seems to display a certain amount of respectfulness to the boys calling them Mr., gentleman, and please.

Remember the somewhat kind look on his face when the Pope passes by?

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I had 12 years of Catholic schooling in the Fifties and Sixties. Brother Constance was an amalgamation of certain types typically encountered in Catholic school. We witnessed abuse but no one even considered reporting it. Jay Patterson's character and persformance haunt me to this day and they are probably one of the very best elements of this wonderful film.

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