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i've never understood the disrespect this film has always gotten. this film has everything we love about these films

posted 4 years ago by lukejbarnett (1869)
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blood, sex, nudity, humor, great, fun and unique characters, graphic violence all at the highest and most unedited levels. this is friday the 13th on speed. who cares that this film doesn't have jason. it's never bugged me at all and i'm the biggest friday the 13th fan ever. if you are a fan of these films you have to love and respect this film and know it's one of the best of these films.

[–] jakemon45 (971) 4 years ago

I'm right there with you. I've always found it to be the most overall Friday the 13th feeling Friday the 13th movie.

[–] lukejbarnett (1869) 4 years ago

yeah, exactly the f th 13th feel is all over this film in every scene and moment and shot. also it has a unique to the friday the 13th films feel. did you notice this also? i guess this is due to when it was made and how it was made also. so it being made in '85 means it doesn't feel like an early '80s friday the 13th film. also it doesn't feel like any of the other f the 13th films in a way, it's atmosphere feel.

[–] theWatcher74 (186) 4 years ago

It is the trashiest of all the Friday movies. I think it's the ending. People felt cheated. It's bad enough that it wasn't Jason doing the killing, but it being the EMT didn't make much sense.

[–] lukejbarnett (1869) 4 years ago

none of the killers in the friday the 13th series makes sense. you can't make sense of anyone in real life killing people. so you're wrong about that. trash is a good thing in the context and world of the friday the 13th films. so, the trashiest means the best in this series. these are silly, not to be taken seriously except the first few films, campy in a funny way films. so trashy is a good thing in this series and a compliment to these films.

the people who had a problem with the ending and it not being jason doing the killings are stupid. it has everything a friday the 13th film needs to be great. the series needed to be shaken up by the 5th film as they did with the 6th film, changing the tone with a comedic tone. changes are sometimes good in a movie series.

[–] theWatcher74 (186) 4 years ago

Some people in the real world do kill, of course, and serial killers do exist. So generally speaking it's not a problem to have a fictional character do that. I didn't get into specifics but I haven't come across anyone who doesn't like the Roy plot twist because murder doesn't make sense. I don't see what you're getting at there. Straw man? I'm not even sure.

Having Roy be the new Jason was lame. A middle aged guy who's on screen very briefly in kind of a utilitarian part in which he helps pick up a dead body and then leaves. It just came out of nowhere. If you're going to come up with a new killer to wear the mask, at least try and make it as cool as possible.

[–] lukejbarnett (1869) 4 years ago

like i said before, they were going for something new and original and unconventional and they succeeded with roy, a perfect character to be the guy in a mask because no one thought it was him. it was really unpredictable. then when you find out why he killed kids it made sense, for revenge for his son getting killed.

if you can't understand that then that's your problem. it's common sense that since i've never heard anyone complain about roy being a serial killer then there is no problem with him realistically being a serial killer by the vast majority of people, fans.

it didn't need to be cool like jason, as they were doing for a departure from the traditional friday the 13th film. then they came back to it in the next installment.

[–] theWatcher74 (186) 4 years ago

"it's common sense that since i've never heard anyone complain about roy being a serial killer then there is no problem with him realistically being a serial killer by the vast majority of people, fans." People have complained about Roy being the new killer in these movies. That's what we're talking about. That was the most common complaint you heard about the movie.

Again, no one that didn't like the plot twist complained about Roy because killing strangers like a serial killer will doesn't make sense. People do commit murder so it's not a problem that a character would do it in a movie. Why are you coming back to that again?

People didn't like the ending because Roy is barely a character in the movie. He's a walk on character who barely says anything. No personality that we can tell in the one minute we see him. They could have picked anyone and made them a relative of the fat kid and the new killer. Have the guy who delivers food to the mental hospital hear about the murder of the fat kid and decide to kill everyone who comes near the hospital as revenge because that's his favorite cousin. It just seems tacked on, that plot twist. It's weak.

And something being new doesn't necessarily make it good. The writers of Jason Goes to Hell making Jason into a slug like creature that could take control of bodies was new, and that sucked ass as a storyline.

Other than that, it's not bad as far as Friday movies go. I think it gave people what they expect from these movies, anyway.

[–] lukejbarnett (1869) 4 years ago

no, that's not true. you aren't complaining about roy being the killer bc tt's unrealistic bc he's a medic you're complaining bc he's not jason.

bc you came back to it in your last message.

that's why it's so awesome when he appears finally in the end. we don't know his identity, it's a mystery. that's what's so awesome about his reveal in the end, it's so unexpected, it's great and lovable.

also this has been done really well in other horror movies. like the silence of the lambs and hellraiser. in both of these films the villain is barely in the film and then when they are it's scary and suspenseful and epic. it works well bc a lot of what is scary is in our imagination, what we don't see.

you know jason is also barely on screen and barely says anything in all the friday the 13th movies other than this film.

you'e wrong, jason goes to hell is a supreme friday the 13th film. it's a reinvention of the slasher genre and convention. it's excels on ever action movie/horror/slasher level. it's very inventive and highly clever with it's meta ideas and lines. it's ahead of it's time. 3 years before scream.

and was a great and thrilling and fitting way of kind of ending and coming full circle to the beginning of the story and first film. even cunningham came back to the series that he created bc of this special film.

any fan of this series loves this film and knows it's a classic film.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 4 years ago

It really is a great movie. I think it's one of the best slashers ever made. Fun movie. It's not even for the suspense or anything like that. The movie gives off a certain feeling and tone about it. The rain coming down at the end when they are in the barn makes for a great atmosphere.

[–] lukejbarnett (1869) 4 years ago

exactly i love the atmosphere in the end, such a creepy and comforting atmosphere with the rain pouring down. it's like the atmosphere in the final chapter right before this film with the rain pouring down in the end with the confrontation between trish and jason and tommy jarvis.

[–] vilafire (607) 2 years ago

It sucked. Not even talking about the Not Jason aspect. The characters, setting it at a home for loser kids, the little kid having such a big part, etc.