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This movie is pure Sci fi


Out of all my years of being a loyal sci-fi fan, I have never seen another movie like this. This is a pure sci-fi movie and for a movie of its time. Its really good. I hope future sci-fi directors and movies will appreciate it and make more movie far greater than this one. It's about time the sci-fi community finally sees good movies for a change like this one for a example.

Who else thinks this movie is pure sci-fi for any sci-fier to watch.

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I agree...this is now a classic...I think many today movies (not only from sci fi style) cannot compare to classics made in the 80s..I think the 80s ruled in many ways...

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger"... Nietzsche (Conan The Barbarian Opening)

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I used to watch this with my parents when I was an 80's kid. We found it on DVD at Wal Mart & my boys (9 & 7)absolutely LOVE it. It is a good little movie!

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You're right.

Many things are labeled as sci-fi, but they don't follow the classic sci-fi storytelling that really speaks of the human condition, touches the soul, and tries to teach us something.

This film does that.

It's about HEART, not special effects.

I've not read the book; I'm sure it's wonderful, but this film is very dear to my heart.

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I agree... this is text book sci-fi. More science than fantasy... fantasy made science. One of the greatest movies of this genre.

The human quality of it is just astounding.

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Just a saw it again, the first time in english (for being german).
You're right, this flic still has this very rare adventurous scifi kind-of-feel, which seems to come straight from the 40s and which only a few movies have. also, it's epic.
The effects might not be that great, but they work in terms of the wonderful story.

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"The effects might not be that great, but they work in terms of the wonderful story"

?? I thought the effects held up rather well for a film from 25 years ago...there is something to be said for optical effects from their heyday Vs. the overly clean and smooth unrealism of digital, quite often I despise the over reliance on CGI in modern movies.

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I'm not talking about CGi being better or not these days compared with "old school" effects. But you have to admit that in this flic the special effects aren't that good like EMPIRE for example. They are not that stylish and well done. Guess the money wasn't there. But, as is said, that's not the point. It's not necessary, coz it's a wonderful story. So relax.

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No need for me to "relax", I simply disagree that the FX (which were done by ILM BTW, the guys behind Empire) were substandard, I think the space shots, I.E. the optical spaceship model shots, were as good as anything out there at the time...I mean I didn't see any matte lines/boxes around the ships or anything..you can't say the same for Empire. Now if you are talking about the practical effects like the wire ships landing on the planet etc. then yeah, they were done in Germany by the filmmakers and weren't all that good.

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oops! you're sure they're done here in germany? didn't know that. all i know is that the overall fx impression wasnt't that good - perhaps it was also a german director! ;) ...but whatever. that's a question of taste, i guess. director says "more blue space background" and it will be done. guess what i meant was: there are cool special effects in history of cinema, and there are not that cool ones. i love this movie despite of not having really good ones.

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Um yeah, he was German alright...Wolfgang Petersen. The same german guys who did the practical FX for his previous films, Neverending Story & Das Boot, did the "table top" PFX in this one. But ILM did the optical FX....the space shots at the beginning and end of the film.

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I agree! I saw this movie again after years and it just grabbed me all over again. It does not let up. Strong opening, very clear character arcs, truly epic alternative world (as in, different enough to be interesting but similar enough to be believable). It's also one of the best directed films I've seen in a while. Click click click. Smooth. Tight.

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Well the whole "space station" that people live on concept doesn't seem TOO far off to be reality based Sci-Fi... so in *That* way it's true Sci-Fi (because it's feasible).... all the rest is made up in Sci-Fi hope of finding other intelligent life out there.... & assumed futuristic items (the groovy Pepsi can for instance, other than the guns) are fun ways of thinking ahead in how technology may advance.
I was told that was what made Sci-Fi a Sci-Fi - it has to be reality based & Scientifically *feasible* ENOUGH to be pulled off..... because if it isn't, it's just a Fantasy movie in essence.
Right? I'm no all-knowledgeable genre terminology buff, so correct me if I'm wrong....
So if that's close to correct, then I'd say it's definitely a Sci-Fi. "Pure" Sci-Fi? I dunno... what you mean by "pure"? lol
It was, indeed, a very good movie, though. I agree others should see it, but not just Sci-Fiers.

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While the genre is pure Sci. Fi. I think the story itself goes way beyond that. It's basically a story of tolerance and redemption. Dennis Quaid's character starts out as a man who glories in battle and is certain of his moral stance as far as fighting the Dracs and then he is stuck on the planet with the enemy whom he gradually comes to see as just like himself although different at the same time. He stops seeing the world in B&W and starts to realize that there are shades of grey on both sides. And Louis Gossett Jr's character also comes to a similar understanding of him as well. Basically it's a story about us. How we as different racial/ethnic groups can go from hate and fear to a kinder approach towards each other because despite any apparent differences in a lot of ways we are all the same.

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While the genre is pure Sci. Fi. I think the story itself goes way beyond that. It's basically a story of tolerance and redemption


Some will refer to that type of story as "soft" sci-fi but then since some of the best examples in the genre ever were much more about sociology and the human condition than laser pistols, do not have the (which much of Hollywood seems to) false impression that science fiction means fiction with elements of science.

Any story can have that - and as the "SyFy" channel has proven time and time again, if you take a stupid monster movie concept but make it with a "mutated giant bee that came from a high tech looking lab" it does not automatically become sci-fi, and indeed the vast majority of the "Made for SyFy" movies are utter crap and are not science fiction in any way.

That being said, many science fiction stories (including some of the best) overlook the technology, even if the entirety of the story takes place in an exotic locale like an alien vessel or a planet halfway across the galaxy. They may go into explanation of where they are and how it appears to have been built but that's no different than other stories explaining where the characters are.

Asimov ranged from soft to hard between paragraphs sometimes, although most of his stories were more about sociology or evolution of humans and robots and their changing abilities over time, rather than space opera where it was mostly about laser pistols and warfare.

Heinlein also was much more about philosophy and sociology rather than neat inventions - they were in many of his stories but they were a means to an end, not the focus of the story. In 'The Number of the Beast' they travel between a series of dimensions, but the device that makes this possible is not the focus of the story - the main characters and the places they visit are. Even in Starship Troopers (the novel not the entertaining but completely unrelated film) where the Cap Troopers were literally surrounded by a powerful set of power armor, that was just a tool to them. The story was about the dynamic between the humans in the story more than anything else.

For Clarke, it wasn't about the trip to find the Monolith - it was about the consciousness contained within and understanding the fact that HAL was just as awake as we are, even though he has an On/Off switch so to speak. For Rendezvous with Rama same thing - the wonder of who or what created such a thing, and the adventure of exploring it - not about the technology itself so much.

In Frank Herbert's classic Dune, the story is very much about sociology and the evolution of humanity over many thousands of years. Sure, they have warfare and interesting technologies, but it's as much about exploring consciousness (spice / Water of Life) and understanding the nature of humanity as it is about anything "sciency".

For Phillip K. Dick, most of his stories were about the nature of consciousness and reality - and of course perception and the nature of sanity. No wonder, as many of his stories involved people who weren't really sure they were who they had been told they were, or weren't certain if they were in the "real" world. Sure, he had some advanced technology in many of his books, but it was much more about a journey of the mind than anything else.

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As to the special effects of Enemy Mine, there were some segments that were done very well, and others where it was done somewhat cheesy, especially the fighter battle at the beginning of the film (showing fighters in space flying as if they are in an atmosphere) and the scene towards the end of the film when Davidge (sp?) blasts the airlock doors when the crew of the space station won't open them for him. The special effects in that scene were as bad as some 60s shows had, and the scene where Davidge sees the refinery complex in flight wasn't done that well; however the practical cosmetics used for Jerry were absolutely amazing for the time and they still hold up very well. Overall an amazing film even after all these years.

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How far is this movie "pure" science-fiction for you? The main story could also take place in a war on Earth (only except the scenes about the alien anatomy, of course).

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