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Why is this film so disliked?


I've loved this flick since I was a kid, but it seems everyone involved in it's making (Raimi, Bruce Campbell, the Coen's) are ashamed of it. Any idea why?

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I have no idea why they hate this movie!, this movie was awesome!, this was evil dead meets detroit!, paul smith, and brion james are hilarious! i just wish it would come out on DVD, the only copy i have is a almost 20 year old vhs that i recorded on cinemax when the movie first hit cable!,(awful recording but its all i have!)
the world needs to see this movie!

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I know for a fact that Sam wanted Bruce to be the lead character. I personally think it would of worked a bit better. I haven't seen this film in many years so I can say that conclusively.

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Bruce C. would have made for a better hero (that guy could play anything), but he played a great heel. Loved his death scene.

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Bruce can never catch a break. The lead parts in "Darkman", "The Hudsucker Proxy" and "Crimewave" were all written for him. Now, I can understand choosing Liam Neeson and Tim Robbins over Bruce (I mean, c'mon, they're great actors) but who the *beep* said "Bruce Campbell isn't a bankable name, let's hire Reed Birney!"?

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Hey, Darkman turns out all right...in the end...;)

And as for this movie, I have a very vivid imagination, so I just imagine Bruce as the main character and black out whats-his-face. Then Bruce is really in the movie, so it's just more fun all around.

Hail to the King, baby.

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Yeah, it's a shame. Those could have been great roles for him (and Crimewave might actually have been enjoyable). Especially Darkman. Liam Neeson was great in it, but Bruce Campbell would have been a better fit.

The slew of Darkman sequels just added insult to injury. The first film clearly sets up Bruce as the new face of the titular character. He should have played the character in the sequel. Instead they decided that Arnold Vosloo, one of the villains from the first film, should take the main role - a decision which really doesn't make sense from a story standpoint or a behind-the-scenes one. Campbell has more leading man credibility than that jag any day.

It's a shame that Raimi never had the clout to push through the studio meddling.

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one word for you guys, netflix

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Though the film has some interesting stylistic and (obviously) visual appeal, the reason it's disliked is because it's fundamentally boring. Showing 90 minutes of frenetic activity dressed up like a cartoon is simultaneously exhausting and emotionally unengaging. There's really nothing interesting about men and women grimacing, mugging for the camera, and screaming almost constantly. This would have been more palatable at 15 minutes.

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And that is just your opinion. You obviously must not like the films made by David Zucker.



I'm just a guy that likes horror flicks.

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Because all most all of their creative freedom was taken away from them...

Read If Chins Could Kill...

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Recently bought a 2 disc blue ray/DVD combo on Amazon to replace my close to 30 year old VHS recorded off HBO. Looking forward to the
audio commentary by Bruce Campbell.

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I loved this film when I orignially saw it on cable years ago. I taped it and gauged people's reactions when I showed it to them (many looks of horror). I think the humor was very over the top (remember that this was pre-Jim Carey)and had some off color lines ("Where'd ya get the negro, Butch?"). I just Googled the film today and saw that it was written by the Coen brothers and was directed by Sam Raimi. And the lady from Walker Texas Ranger was the love interest. No wonder why I loved it!

For those who thought Bruce Campbell should have had the lead role, it would be like casting Sylvester Stalone as Seymour in "Little Shop of Horrors". You needed a small, put upon nerd who's always looking on the bright side.

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Bruce Campbell should have gotten the lead role, as originally intended, no matter how the character was written. read djsmokingjam's post on the message board.


Assumption in Assumption

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Yeah I loved this film since a child too. What I gathered from Bruce Campbell's autobiography was Raimi was very angry at how the studio controlled his movie, requiring rewrites and editing Raimi wasnt happy with, so thats why I think he dissociates himself from the film.
I dont recall if Raimi wanted Bruce as the leading role, maybe..I do remember that he wanted The Heel to have a bigger part.

*SPOILER*: The Heel dying out of nowhere was placed deliberatly last minute so that Bruce's character could be edited out of the movie due to studio constraints and timing. When I first saw that scene I thought it kinda fitted in with the rest of the film's surrealness.



If you are a Raimi/Evil Dead/B.Campbell fan, do yourself a favor and see this, you wont regret it.
The Heel is hilarious as well as other parts of the film.

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HINT: type your spoiler. select/ highlight. click the spoiler button above. then hover pointer over the blacked out selection to read the spoiler...

*SPOILER*: The Heel dying out of nowhere was placed deliberatly last minute so that Bruce's character could be edited out of the movie due to studio constraints and timing. When I first saw that scene I thought it kinda fitted in with the rest of the film's surrealness.

*SPOILER*: The Heel dying out of nowhere was placed deliberatly last minute so that Bruce's character could be edited out of the movie due to studio constraints and timing. When I first saw that scene I thought it kinda fitted in with the rest of the film's surrealness.

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In Bruce's terrific autobiography "If Chins Could Kill," he talks at length about "Crimewave", aka "The XYX Murders". A lot of things went wrong. It was their first time dealing with studio politics and "creative input" from the corporate accountants, and Sam Raimi & Co were vetoed every step of the way, from the casting choices (yes, Bruce was supposed to play the lead, but the execs felt otherwise) to the title itself. Filming went WAY over budget, and the studio fired many of Sam's regular crew members. Louise Lasser was impossible. Raimi had to fight the studio just to be in the room while his movie was being edited. And then, when the movie was complete, the marketing people didn't have a clue as to how to sell it.

Campbell does assign some of the blame to himself and to Raimi. It was their first time making a "real" movie with a "real" studio, a "real" budget and "real" actors; he acknowledges that they just didn't know what they were doing, and the idiots at the studio only compounded their mistakes.

Of course, the upshot is that after the "Crimewave" debacle, Raimi, Campbell, and the rest of the gang were much more motivated to make "Evil Dead 2" their way, and the rest is history.

Read the book, it's a trip.

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yeah it's aaalllllll in the book lol. yeha i finally saw it last night....i couldn't find it anywhere here (NZ) but i managed to rent it at this old as rental store a fair way from my house. It was great...best parts were Bruce's Ronaldo the heel pick up lines and the bar fight....that didnt last long....but yeah awesome film!

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I particularly liked Ted Raimi's reaction shots as the waiter in the fight scene.
Also, the dialogue in the same scene:

Renaldo the Heel: Well, maybe I'm a heel.
Vic: Maybe I'm a guy who hates heels.
Renaldo the Heel: Maybe I'm a heel who hates guys who hate heels
Vic: Well, maybe...(cut off by Renaldo's punch)SMACK!

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If Chins Could Kill
Confessions of a 'B' Movie actor

will answer all of those questions you might have about the movie.

To sum it up, during hte last few weeks of filming, the interests, investors, were shown teh movie before it was done and, becuas eit was their money, demanded that a new beginning and end be shot for it.

In the end, Sam raimi did not direct, just edited for 'their tastes.'

I'd hate it too if my ending did never show...

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I love this film, I bought it for a dollar ,I bought 100 films for $100.00 in betamax!!! and it was the best of the lot.. I cant understand why it is not a cult classic and more famous than it is I did not know it was written my the coen bros. untill I read this thread.

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Coen fans might not dig it, but Raimi fans sure should. Regardless of whether or not it was taken away from him, recut or whatever -- there's still so much Raimi in the direction and execution. The look of the flick is fantastic -- the kind of out of time 30s meets 80s -- and the sight gags and visual effects have that same sort of shoestring charm that Raimi graced Evil Dead with.

I had been getting around to watching this for a long time now and as a fan of both Raimi and the Coens, knowing ahead of time that it wasn't going to be their best by any means, I still found a lot to admire in CRIMEWAVE. Definitely should be a cult classic.

I wish somebody still made movies like this. Although not visually perfect, I find the more low-fi special effects on display here so much more fun than the seamlessly integrated CGI Raimi does with the Spider-Man movies.

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Everyone that I`ve talked to who have seen it loved it. I think you guys are too focused on what was said in If Chins Could Kill. The creators of the movie disowned it because their creative freedom was taken away.

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This movie kind of reminds me of Johhny Dangerously in that its a slapstick comedy about crime and a comedy thats actually better and funnier after you've seen it a couple of times- some movies are just like that. Yeah, it would've been better w/ Bruce Campbell as the main guy. Still, you can see a lot of the same kind of camera work Raimi used in the Evil Dead 2. And it does feel like a Coen Bros. movie- I always thought their comedies were hit or miss (never liked Raising Arizona but loved Big Lebowski and Oh Brother).

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