Cut Scenes


In an online interview with director Ivan Passer (you can find it by typing "Passer Landis interview) he talks about how much the producer cut out of Creator and how this hurt the film.

There were apparently many more "flashback" scenes of Harry with Lucy when she was alive: Scenes of their courtship, and her getting ill which would have been juxtaposed with Boris's relationship with Virginia Madsen and her illness.
The scenes would have shown how Lucy's death affected Harry and changed him, how Meli was like Lucy, they also would have added to the idea of Boris becoming like Harry (which is what he wishes) and shown the connection between Harry and Boris. They would add a lot thematically to the film .I also think they would account for the ugly cuts you can see in the film-like when Mariel Hemingway announces they're getting married, Harry chockes, and then it jumps to a party.

So I just wanted to ask if anyone has seen the longer TV version? How many of these scenes are restored?
Also if you haven't would you like to see a restored version? If so voice your support here!

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Personally, I think the film is outstanding "as is" (always have), but of course I'd LOVE to see deleted scenes, interviews or just about anything that has to do with the making of this (excellent) film.

Sadly, I doubt we'll ever get a 'Special Edition' of Creator.



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I'd seen the TV version wayyyyy back in 1989. I can vaguely remember there were lots of flashback scenes with Harry and Lucy in them. But I'm unable to recount exactly what was left out of the longer version.

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Tonight I noticed Creator was on Showtime, so I decided to record it on DVD, and I'm glad I did. They ran the film in letterbox format! Finally! They didn't even put the "SHO" logo in the lower right corner, so now I have as perfect a copy as exists presently. Nothing seems to have been cut since I first watched it on cable in the late 1980s. But since I didn't see it in the theater, they may well have shortened it for TV (running time tonight 1:47).

I love it as is, however. I'm just happy for small favors.






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Wow. That's great. I wish I had known, I would have taped it myself. It'd be so great to have this film in the original letterbox format (the pan & scan DVD really chops up the picture).

(UPDATE: Turns out I WAS able to get that version! It aired on FLIX last night at 11pm CDT. Thanks for the heads-up!!!)

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That is very interesting. I never knew about these deleted scenes. I have seen Creator a bunch of times on cable, but would love to have seen it w/ these deleted scenes.

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If the cut (or never used) scenes are as the original poster described, I would have to say — against my usual feeling — that I probably would NOT want to see them. And would have even less desire to see a "director's cut" with their being restored in the running plot of the film.

This, as I said, is unusual for me. Yet "Creator" is a highly unusual film — a combination of whimsy, science, comedy, satire, raw emotion, romance, and (that rarest of screen attributes) intelligence.

What makes such a combination work, if it ever does, is a delicate balance that, I fear, can only come from happy accidents. It's rarely deliberately designed. And when it happens ... well, an over-emphasis on parallels, as in these cut-scene descriptions, could very easily throw it out of balance.

Flashbacks, especially, risk doing this. They have to be set up with enough justification for, well, their being set up at all. "Casablanca," for example, managed it. A substantial backstory served to amplify the two central characters' pasts, about which the viewer had only seen hints. Yet that film really had only two tones, those of personal drama and of wartime intrigue. Not six or seven.

I don't see that working with "Creator." Allusions were enough, and at times far more effective. We see quick glimpses of a vibrant, eventually pregnant, Lucy in Harry's mind's eye. Yet only after several such silent cameos do we realize — partly from the absence of any "son," except for proteges like Boris — that he must have lost both wife and child unexpectedly. That heightens Harry's air of melancholy. (It helps that O'Toole can nail melancholy.)

What becomes important is that we have to make that realization ourselves. It isn't spelled out directly. That makes a viewer, if he or she is at all sympathetic to Harry as a brilliant but troubled eccentric, far more involved in wanting to see the main plot resolved.

The director may have regretted losing his flashbacks and more explicit parallels, but other elements would have had to be removed to allow for them. I'd say those would be the varieties of tone and personal interaction that make this cast memorable and well-meshed, despite some unlikely choices.

Would I have imagined Vincent Spano could portray a young graduate student, and an ardent lover, and a frustrated realist in the lab, and a wannabe idealist in his own life? Not offhand. Yet this had enough varied slices of life surrounding his character to make all of them believable. The same was true for every major part, and even most of the minor ones.

If the plot creaked too much, we wouldn't have had that serendipity.
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You make an excellent point (to say the least - VERY well put), and I kind of thought that myself when I first heard about the 'deleted' scenes that the director was upset were taken out.

This film seems to be a minor miracle of sorts and, like you said, I'm not sure messing with the balance in any way would help the film which, to me, is already 100% outstanding.

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I would love to see the cut scenes cos as much as I love this film, there's still so much about the characters we're left wondering about, especially in regards to Dr. Wolper and Lucy. F'rinstance, just how did she die? They sorta make an allusion to her having died in childbirth but you can't be certain.

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Having read the book, I have to think that the cut scenes as they are described would probably not have hurt the film... made it a little longer yes, but the book didn't suffer from giving more insight into Harry and Lucy, so I doubt the film would either.

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I just wish someone had this version (taped off TV, etc.) so they could share it with other fans of the film.

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I saw the TV version many years ago and remember some of those scenes. They're not intrusive at all. They were brief "silent cameo" montages, as you put it. One showed a young Lucy and Harry on a boardwalk, cavorting innocently. Another showed them on a beach blanket, I think it was at night. I miss those scenes when I watch the theatrical cut DVD.

Considering the crappy DVD with its cut-off music and full-screen presentation, they really should do a new DVD that's widescreen and has the extra scenes.

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What becomes important is that we have to make that realization ourselves. It isn't spelled out directly. That makes a viewer, if he or she is at all sympathetic to Harry as a brilliant but troubled eccentric, far more involved in wanting to see the main plot resolved.

You certainly have a valid point here as engaging our own interpretations into the narrative makes for a richer experience, yet Creator could have benefited from flashback scenes to give Harry's motives behind his quest to recreate his deceased Wife more strength.

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