Why make a movie like this? - Brazil (1985) Discussion

I'll answer your question with another question

Why make a thread like this?

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Damn, you beat me to it!

The champagne had died. So it goes.

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Why make a movie ever? Stories are just stories aren't they? Why bother hiring actors and production companies just to tell some dumb story? When I was a kid I was taught in class that there was no such thing as a stupid question... I think my teachers lied to me.

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[–] Colbtron 14 years ago

Brazil is one of the finest movies ever made.

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[–] bsu_oak530 14 years ago

i wouldnt go so far as to say that it is one of the finest movies ever, but it is great.

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[–] astronaut1 14 years ago

So #248 isn't one of the best? I'm pretty sure that 248 out of maybe 500,000 qualifies it as one of the best.

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[–] astronaut1 13 years ago

So you are the spokesperson for what is good and bad? and everyone that votes is wrong? I hate pretentious morons like yourself who think that they have a higher intelligence or more refined taste because they favour a more select group of films. Get over yourself, if people like it, it's good.

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[–] BrainGremlin 13 years ago

What if he's saying it's a joke because taste is entirely subjective? What if he's the opposite of pretentious? What if he's actually extremely humble and modest, far more so than even you? His comment was very brief. You're making assumptions, and you're making a big deal out of it based on them. Remember and consider: You filled in the blanks on his comment using your mind, and your mind alone. Don't be so quick to say you hate someone. At least ask for confirmation before you unleash your fury.

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[–] franzkabuki 15 years ago

To entertain and kick ya in the ass.

As for Armegeddon then I simply lack the attention span to watch a trailer that lasts nearly three hours. Especially as it´s also utterly stupid.

"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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[–] cassbtt 15 years ago

As for Armegeddon then I simply lack the attention span to watch a trailer that lasts nearly three hours

Good one, ha!

Sort of like the "trailer" for 2012.

http://www.allocine.fr/video/player_gen_cmedia=18928010&cfilm=1345 39.html?nopub=1 (might be available elsewhere in your area)

EDITED: Urp, here's the official trailer site:
http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com

Watching this, I just wonder "how much money did that cost!?!?"

Links to "Twelve Monkeys" Pages
www.tempesta-tormenta.ca

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[–] bryanross1985 14 years ago

Why make a film? why paint a picture? why write a book? Why make music? Why do we bother to entertain ourselves? Because we are human and boredom is a highly undesirable thing for the human mind because we are intelligent beings and we need stimulation. There, i said it.

HELP ME!!! I need to know if I am alone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFzThGyt5vM

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[–] fish_cannot_carry_guns 15 years ago

Why not?

"We're going to take the ATM machine with us to Mexico."

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[–] violetspecter 15 years ago

To trouble simple and unchallenged minds such as yours. (honestly, you set yourself up for that one)

You're selling it completely short if all you take away is the readily apparent messages about how mindless capitalism erodes the humanity of it's participants.

There such rich commentary on politics, society, and emotions if you have the patience and mindset to read into it.

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[–] sophiavladimirovna 15 years ago

Excellently said, my friend. You clearly are an intelligent thinker.

The champagne had died. So it goes.

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[–] troxx 14 years ago

Some people think they are intelligent and like to watch "intelligent" movies, and afterwards think some brave new thoughts.

Plato was ironic and played a joke on people, he tried to make a point but the public thought it was serious philosophy.. Don't be fooled by language, choice of words and odd old fashion VR.

So this movie didn't add anything, it was just tragic ... and for some reason that is attractive to some viewers.

Armageddon is just plain simple, has a lot of impossible scenes and a lot of just about everything that anyone can understand, and is simply entertaining. That dont imply that you should think that way.

Brazil tries to enlighten the dumb, but fails. Other people sees the point that they already knew, and that is not adding anything. Go watch some BBCfour/documentary instead.

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

(and now i'll probably get a lot of words thrown at me)

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[–] onebadgungan 14 years ago

I can think of something else that is just plain simple, and not in a good way.

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[–] wilko789 14 years ago

Troxx i love this film but what i love more is the fact you've made all these pretencious intelectual stuck up twats look like the idiots they are, i like the film because it's typical Gillium and python style humour x

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[–] wilko789 14 years ago

feel free to insult my spelling lols!

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[–] megArnold 14 years ago

Learn to spell, buddy!

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[–] violetspecter 15 years ago

See Troxx, this film is complex enough you can even pull out circuitous babble like this and still look dignified. :P

Is someone out there defining "socialism" in interesting ways that I don't know about? Because usage of "socialist" like this, it just really baffles me. What is it you even think that means?

At any rate, the underlying tragedy of Brazil is much simpler than all that; It isn't the triumph of machine over humanity, but humanity's failure to act.

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[–] sophiavladimirovna 15 years ago

See Troxx, this film is complex enough you can even pull out circuitous babble like this and still look dignified. :P

Hey, what's with the hostility? Can't a person have their own opinion?

The champagne had died. So it goes.

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[–] violetspecter 15 years ago

Can't someone have an opinion that your opinion is wrong?
There's no hostility in my comments; I even included the :P tongue sticking out smiley to indicate the lack of ill will.

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[–] morgan_gibson87 13 years ago

I agree. Part of the point of discussing things is to 'objectivate' our subjective opinions and thus convince others that one thing really is better than another.

If people just want to shout incommensurable (and ostensibly equally valid) opinions at one another, then why discuss things on a movie forum in the first place?

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[–] NotaCow 14 years ago

violetspecter,
This is what an extreme fascist, socialist state looks like. In the movie, anyone practicing free market capitalism (such as the De Niro character) was labeled a criminal. Apparently, you, like the characters in the movie, have fallen for the propaganda by semi-socialist states (like the U.S.), who label it's control over lives as "rights", "freedom", and "democracy". You, like many of the characters in the movie, are a brainwashed drone. Now that I've told you the reality, it up to you to understand it.

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[–] onebadgungan 14 years ago

Too harsh.

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[–] morgan_gibson87 13 years ago

Understand your concepts before using them...

This movie is more a critique of instrumental reason, which - as the Frankfurt School argue - is embodied in state socialist, late capitalist and (most overtly) fascist social orders. This movie seems to be making the much broader point that in order to free ourselves collectively from domination, we must find a way to escape from the totalising grip instrumental reason holds over the consciousness and social structures of contemporary social order.

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[–] SonicAndy 14 years ago

czerro -

You can't write worth a *beep*

"So you're keen on music ?"
"Yes..!"

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[–] Colbtron 14 years ago

Your critic may be right - you have no clear position. Do you like this movie or not? That is the ultimate requirement. Some don't understand it, some love it despite its commercial limitations. Anyone with half a brain consider it one of the most important films ever made, as do I. What do you think? If you're going to bother to type even 25 words, I'd like to know your position.

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[–] sfrsez 9 years ago

you are the simpleton here

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[–] jnathan 14 years ago

Why did Michelangelo sculpt the Statue of David or paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel?

Why did Alexandros of Antioch sculpt the statue Aphrodite of Milos (better known as the Venus de Milo)?

Why did Da Vinci paint the Mona Lisa or The Last Supper?

Why did Botticelli paint The Birth of Venus?

My vote history: http://us.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=9354248

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[–] benizdead 14 years ago

The fact that you've expressed a preference to watch Armageddon over Brazil speaks for itself.

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[–] SonicAndy 14 years ago

"This film is an easy point made complicated. Why make this film? It does not contribute with anything new! This film is for the average."

Why ? Because, apparently, Gilliam is a "genius". I've never understood why, but that's how he's perceived.

"So you're keen on music ?"
"Yes..!"

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[–] JurijFedorov 14 years ago

Just read 1984 instead it is 10 times better at making the same point. This movie is a FAIL.

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[–] Tyler_Durden_pt 14 years ago

Yes. I get the point of "Brazil" - it's like a comedy version of 1984. It has some finely crafted and funny scenes, but it's ultimately boring, overlong, needlessly complex and disjointed. I don't get why it's so highly rated in IMDb, while a great film like "1984" is so underrated.

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[–] megArnold 14 years ago

Because people prefer comedy to preachiness.

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[–] Tyler_Durden_pt 14 years ago

Errr... I don't see how "1984" is any more preachy than "Brazil". They say basically about the same things in different ways. "Brazil" is clearly a post-modern approach to dystopia, but it says nothing new or different than previous stories of the kind.

And I love a good comedy, but "Brazil" is not it. It's boring.

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[–] zeldagirl923 10 years ago

Actually, Orwell had originally wanted to make 1984 funnier than it ended up being. It was supposed to be a dark comedy, but what we got was a first draft written shortly before he died.

So . . . in many ways, Brazil is what Orwell had originally wanted, and I don’t see any reason in trying to claim one is better than the other. (Also, “boring, overlong, needlessly complex and disjointed” are the critiques of the bureaucratic system being lambasted in the film. Though it’s a subjective opinion—and I personally was never bored—that might have been intentional.)

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