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Clarification regarding "Buttle" spelling mistake/connected consequences


Ok, so that initial scene with the bug falling into the typewriter shows Archibald Tuttle as being the recipient of a detention form with the address of 412 North Tower, Shangrila Towers. He is also listed as a shoe repair operative. Then the bug falls in the typewriter and causes the typewriter to misspell Tuttle as Buttle on an addiotional copy. All that one can really infer is that the surname has changed - no other details are shown to change in the close up shot of the form.

My question is how would this cause the ramifications that it did? Tuttle and Buttle would now appear to reside at the same address - in a subsequent scene it's revealed that the Department of Work is doing maintenance on what they think is Tuttle's ceiling. If Security is really looking for Harry Tuttle, why would a name change to Buttle cause them to arrest the latter? Isn't the name Tuttle the only link to explain Security's appearance at Buttle's address? Why is Tuttle listed on the correctly spelled form as a shoe repairer when Lowry later notes with Kurtzman that this actually is Buttle's occupation and that Tuttle is an electrical engineer?

I don't understand how the misspelled form caused the mix-up given that the addresses ostensibly remain the same. There obviously is a detention form sent out for Tuttle and I assume Security received the misspelled Buttle invoice/form, but I'm unclear how this would then lead them to go after Buttle. I wonder if the name is irrelevant to Security? Perhaps the form is linked to Tuttle's personnel number and that number could potentially be incorrectly referenced to anyone, regardless of name. Example: You receive someone's bill, yet this requires no name/detail changes, only that someone else's billing information is sent to you. Indeed, your name and address must necessarily remain accurate to ensure such a bill would get to you. But doesn't appear to be the case in the film and isn't explicitly suggested in the the typewriter scene.

Perhaps I've overlooked some detail that is glaringly obvious... Any ideas?

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Perhaps I've overlooked some detail that is glaringly obvious... Any ideas?
You're looking at the trees (or, "a" tree) instead of the forest. The story is about a bungling bureaucracy, something that most in the audience accept quite willingly.

Are you an accountant or auditor (ha ha)

So I think you've probably found a "bug" - hopefully not one as big as that monstrous Devonian-era fly in the movie.

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Oh no, I'm not a bureaucrat at all, far from it really. It's just one of those niggling film issues that I would like to understand - 'Primer' had me drawing diagrams after I saw it for the first time to try and get my head around the time travelling system. I'm just curious if it is a goof of the film or simply my own clunky perception/interpretation? I tend to think I'm off and there is an easy explanation for understanding the implications of the clerical error given that I haven't read anything that also takes point with the issue.

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Well as you say, it shouldn't have turned out the way it did, but I guess the theme is that one mistake beyond the bureaucrat's control, compounded by multiple inattentive mistakes by other bureaucrats, which could easily create this situation.

> me drawing diagrams

Ever see 12 Monkeys? There's a guy who's done an EXTREME analysis of the time travel in that one. Here's the link:

http://www.mjyoung.net/time/monkeys.html

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Thank you, I asked this same question about a year or two ago (but the thread was deleted by IMDb for some reason).

Basically the only responses I got were "LOL you're not supposed to think about it that hard, it's supposed to be chaotic!" but it is such a giant fault of logic that I get totally hung up on it and can't finish the movie (amongst other reasons). It's actually a hangup because they are trying to establish how no one questions authority, but it's impossible for them to go to the right address and arrest the wrong guy because of one letter change. Then the guy in the ceiling blurts out "Duhh we don't ask questions, there are no mistakes!" or whatever it was. It's like they're trying too hard in the establishing scene, while also not trying hard enough.

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Yessssss, thank you fellow questioner!!!

It has been some time since I saw the film in question, and I reread my original post and thought I wasn't as clear as I could have been.

Just some random thoughts that have not been entirely thought through on this drunken Friday night:

The whole Buttle/Tuttle thing should have been the other way around, right?

The film direction department should have no need of the name change gimmick if Tuttle had already somehow appropriated Buttle's identity (his address and occupation). Tuttle has, in all his Machiavellian glee, somehow requisitioned Buttle's true address and occupation and effectively, on paper, become the latter. This would so work for Brazil's identity theft setup.

However, When you get Tuttle's description getting switched for Buttle's in the early typewriter scenes then you have a false logical step. Who gives a *beep* about Buttle?! It is Tuttle that the Security Department is interested in anyway. Why would a mechanical typewriter error leading to a spelling of Tuttle as Buttle on a form lead to his arrest and death when they are after Tuttle anyway? Security would kill anyone already at the address under the presumption that the residing tenant was indeed Tuttle as per the form they ostensibly received!!!

The whole Buttle name change is redundant and serves no purpose in explaining why Buttle himself fell foul of the Security Department given the additional explanatory architecture inferred from the film.

Oh my God!!!

I'm ranting, sorry.

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It's all about burocracy.

They had all the right info in let's say 9 out of 10 documents.

In one they have the name Buttle. So they sent an arrest warrant for Buttle, and when the "police" receives this warrant, they get in their database that Buttle lives in X address, not the Tuttle's address.

As the movie shows, NOTHING works in this society, and it's full of mistakes which they are constantly correcting and trying to blame on everyone else.


I hope you don't think this is a movie about a burocrat who f his dead mother, right? it's an allegory.

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I was under the impression that the leading information keyword would be the name (or an identity number linked to the name). So, if the computer was set to fill in the forms for Tuttle, it would retrieve all of Tuttles information in the Ministry's archive and fill it up automatically everything that is registered under Archibald Tuttle. Then, when the "bug" (literally and metaphorically) happens, and the keyword is changed from Tuttle to Buttle, the computer would retrieve all of Archibald BUTTLE's information and fill in the forms automatically. So, I don't even think it was an identity theft case, but rather a computer glitch that ocasions unthinkable consequences in domino effect, or a falling castle of cards if you wish.

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Hmmm... However, if that was the case why does the scene show multiple copies of the Tuttle detention form listing Buttle's personal details (job - shoe repairer, address - 12 North Tower, Shangrila Towers)? Then a single copy of the form is misprinted with the Buttle surname due to the bug, but subsequent copies revert to the original printing of Tuttle? In other words, the associated scene shows the typewriter already filling out detention forms with the Tuttle surname but also with Buttle's personal details before the bug (though the viewer is oblivious to the significance of the form's personal details until the later scene between Lowry and Kurtzman in the latter's office).

This made me think the potential implication was that Tuttle had somehow appropriated Buttle's identity or at least was somehow linked to his personal details. This makes tentative sense when in latter scenes we understand that Tuttle has been, and is, dodging the Ministry and continuing his clandestine operations under their radar.

Separately, it seems impossibly coincidental for the film to use the surname misspelling on the detention form as a device to set up the subsequent pursuit, arrest, and consequences pertaining to Archibald Buttle. That is to say it is very convenient that the misspelled single character "T" as "B" on the form also happened to be the first character of an individual's surname - Buttle - that Tuttle has somehow independently been linked to through the Ministry' records. If you accept the ostensible linkage between Tuttle's name and Buttle's personal details depicted in the typewriter scene, then the actual surname misspelling aspect seems entirely extraneous. Both the Department of Work and Ministry Security forces conduct business that lead them to Tuttle's address (which is of course Buttle's address). This is logically coherent as the forms incorrectly list Tuttle's address as Buttle's, and so both departments assume that the resident inside is actually Tuttle. However, given the logic used in the scene and its ultimate ramifications, Buttle's arrest would still play out regardless of any kind of surname alteration on the same form.

I offer that the film gives the impression that Buttle was wrongly arrested due to the surname misspelling glitch in the typewriter scene, but that this is really either a logical misstep, a clumsily cut scene, or a half-baked red herring of sorts. Instead, it appears to me as though Buttle was actually wrongly arrested due to his personal details being somehow linked to Tuttle's surname as also depicted in the same scene. I still don't really have a definitive understanding of the typewriter scene and feel it offers conflicting interpretation in its connection to the fate of Buttle. Specifically, the significance, if any, of the misspelling of Tuttle as Buttle on one of the original forms, and the presence of Buttle's personal details on the forms that are intended for Tuttle.

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OK, so after carefully re-watching the film yesterday, I made some fundamental errors in attempting to understand this entire issue. I agree with "alex_nox2"'s concept of the personnel code numbers being linked to individuals. Crucially, this is the primary piece of information that the Ministry utilized to wrongfully arrest Buttle.

Information Retrieval receives the detention form containing the misspelled Buttle surname intended for Tuttle. Tuttle's personnel code number on the misspelled form remains unchanged and Information Retrieval incorrectly assumes Buttle matches with the personnel code number. Evidently, no cross-referencing of the personnel code number with the individual's name to ensure accuracy ever occurs. Ultimately, it is purely coincidence - however unlikely - that the misspelled form listed Buttle instead of Tuttle. One can see the potential plot obstacles if the spelling change of Tuttle to Buttle was altered to anything else; one might imagine that if the surname was misspelled as anything else, the Buttle family would immediately challenge the arrest on the grounds of personnel misidentification by Information Retrieval. I could envisage Buttle screaming at the black-clad intruders who have just stormed his residence: “But I am Archibald BUTTLE, not this other person you’re looking for. Look at my identification card”. Such a possibility would potentially have changed Buttle's fate entirely for the better but also undermined the film’s narrative premise of blundering bureaucracy.

So, Information Retrieval arrives at Buttle's address and arrests him. In the same scene, we also hear the Department of Work, who are operating on Buttle's damaged ceiling, state that they believe they are repairing Tuttle's ceiling. The implication is that there is conflict regarding the personnel identities linked to the address, likely due to the lack of cross-referencing personnel code numbers with personnel details, and further suggests that Information Retrieval has indeed received the misspelled detention form.

Later at the Department of Records, Kurtzman attempts to record Buttle's arrest information on his computer from another form, presumably generated from Information Retrieval’s own erroneous record, and encounters an error after he types Buttle's name followed by the associated personnel code number that obviously belongs to Tuttle. Kurtzman calls in Lowry to address the error. Lowry observes the mismatch between Buttle and the personnel code number of Tuttle, and he states that a charge of 36 pounds 1 pence was incorrectly debited against Buttle's account in lieu of Tuttle's. This charge appears to have occurred upon/during Buttle's arrest.

I'm unclear about what Lowry states next. He notes that “Expediting” has put in for “electrical procedures” in respect to Buttle, but that “Security” has invoiced “Admin” for Tuttle. Maybe this is just further exposition to explain the nature of the personnel code mismatch. Do the charges for “electrical procedures” pertain to the Department of Work's earlier repairs to Buttle's ceiling or a separate charge? Is the “Security”-issued invoice the same charge, or does it pertain to the 36 pounds 1 pence charge that Lowry initially mentions or something entirely separate? I'm particularly unclear as to the first question because, as previously mentioned, one Department of Work employee states that he believes he is working on Tuttle's ceiling - not Buttle's... I don’t feel I’m able to draw a definitive conclusion based on the information Lowry mentions so it bugs me.

Finally, a refund cheque of 36 pounds 1 pence made out to Buttle arrives at the Department of Records, and Kurtzman again calls in Lowry to assist. The cheque can't be credited to Buttle as he has been entirely removed from the Ministry of Information's records. Lowry deduces he has been killed. I assume that upon Buttle's arrest he was charged the 36 pounds 1 pence and then, through some cross-referencing system independent of Information Retrieval, the mismatch between Buttle's personnel details and the personnel code number of Tuttle was recognized and the incorrectly issued charge refunded. I only hypothesise the involvement of an independent department/alternative system as whilst there is an obvious recognition of the erroneous charge - unlikely behaviour given what we’ve previously witnessed from Information Retrieval - there is also an apparent ignorance of Buttle’s wrongful arrest in the first place - the vagaries of bureaucracy at the heart of Brazil, ha!

I think that is as clear as I understand it. Goes to show how simply re-watching the film in question can clear up a swathe of subjective misinterpretations, ha! My only other gnawing, original question, that I don't believe is ever explicitly addressed, is why in the typewriter scene do the Ministry records list Buttle's personnel details as Tuttle's in the first place?

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