Would there be less hate for this movie if it wasn't based on a book?'Cause a lot of people who hate it,say they hate it 'cause they think it is a disgrace to the books,'cause they were way better and this adaption was not done well.Does that mean if this was an original story people would like it more or something?(BTW,this is one of my favorite movies ever!)
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Oooh!You're the first person to reply to one of my posts!Yaaay!U r hard core awesomeness!:D....Anyway,yeah,Disney usually changes the stories greatly.And people were mad 'cause they said that Gurgi didn't look like that,but I love Gurgi's design!Dang it,people.
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disneyrocks,
The fact that disney messes with stories, is my great issue with the company. I loved the book series, and I thought it had many valuable lessons to teach young boys. I didn't see any redeeming value to the movie. Worse, for everyone that saw the movie and disliked it, but who hadn't yet read the book, the book series was ruined forever.
Disney should write their own stories rather than completely twist preexisting stories beyond recognition. I don't like when other filmmakers do that either btw (think starship troopers). I am much happier with Pixar division films, so I know animators don't HAVE to rip off stories to make quality movies.
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TR
If it makes you feel better, I find it untrue that those who saw the movie before they read the books thought the books were "ruined forever". In fact, my experience is that a lot of folks see the movie and then seek out the books - which is nice, since the series is so old it doesn't really get any marketing anymore - and have never known anyone who did not find the books vastly superior to the film, even when they came upon them afterward.
Typically, book-fans loathe the film for taking such liberties (and for omitting the great moments and themes that make the books so profound), while movie-fans continue to enjoy the film for various reasons, even though they acknowledge the superiority of the books. It's really all about expectations.
sunrise,
Thank you for the thoughtful discussion. As to whether it ruins the books, it depends on your perspective. Take the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I don't know what your personal opinion of the movie was, but I feel that, on the whole, most movie goers felt it was a pretty good series, and sales of the books soared because of the effect you cite.
Now take Starship Troopers. Some enjoyed the movie or found it amusing. Yet very few seem to have thought it was a good movie. I haven't met a single person whose seen the movie, who doesn't give me an odd look when I tell them to read the book. Every single time, I have to tell them that the movie and the book have nothing to do with each other, other than the title, and the main character's name.
Now, after that long tangent, we are back to the Black Cauldron. If you feel it was a good movie, than I can understand your perspective. But the fact remains, it isn't listed in many Top anything lists, and I've heard almost no one name it as a Disney Treasure. The fact is, I suspect most people who've even seen it did not think it was a good movie, and therefore, probably shunned the book series.
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TR
Well, to be clear, I don't think it was a good movie at all, though I concede that much of the animation is very pretty and groundbreaking for its time. I suspect that many who saw the film and didn't like it may not have thought about it enough to realize it was based on books at all, rather than shunning them outright - although that probably happens too.
I am an enormous fan of the books and have created a great deal of fan art and literature based on them, and I hear from its film-fans frequently, who stumble onto my galleries and often didn't even know there were books at all. I always encourage them to read the books, and many have returned to let me know how much they enjoyed them - but they usually still like the film, simply for nostalgia's sake.
Maybe. It really does suffer in comparison to the book. They really should have made of movie of the first book, The Book of Three, instead. The second book, The Black Cauldron, has a much better story, but its climax deals with some pretty serious stuff, and Disney totally wimped out and destroyed the story by making a depressed Gurgi to one who sacrifices himself, and he is not the one who does it in the book, and then bringing Gurgi back just to add insult to injury.
shareI do have a feeling if it wasn't based on a book, it would probably be more appreciated nowadays.
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I barely remember the book from my childhood at this point, but it is still very clearly a deeply flawed film and disappointing animation, particularly from Disney, on its own merits, removed from nostalgic considerations.
I imagine it's just fine for children who'd likely see right past its flaws, and hopefully be inspired towards reading an excellent fantasy series. Likewise, if we didn't have so many MUCH better Disney (and other) animated fantasies to compare it to, it would hold up much more impressively. As it is, practically every other Disney animation is at least 3 times better than this, and it shows. It's a shame, considering the strength of the source material and the obvious effort thrown into it, but apparently the production was quite dysfunctional, and its suffering quite hard to deny.../
Honestly The Black Cauldron is on my top 10 list of favorite films.
The story is flawed and has its issues which I don't think there is a film made that doesn't have its issues.
The thing that grabs me about the black cauldron is that there was so much mystery shrouding its making. There have been cut scenes and just the history of what the cult following knows it is making makes us want it around and to be talked about. For us Cauldronborn fans , the ignorance that Disney gives to this film is not as great as it is say for the film Song of the South.
That film the Disney Co likes to pretend was never made.. at least for the black cauldron there are people around to still remember it and push it into the hands of others to be remembered.
I think it would be wonderful to get a directors cut of the film , but lets face it folks we have a better chance of seeing Song of the South arrive on blu ray or even digital download before we see this film get the treatment of a diamond edition or even a real special edition... its sad that Disney has films like this in their vault and have such an amazing history even if its part of the history that almost sent them into bankruptcy ...
But once every 10+ years or so Disney is kind enough to throw us a bone and give us fans of this film another edition to add to our collection.
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