Eric Stoltz


There's an interview with Bob Gale circa late 00s that goes further into the Eric Stoltz casting. According to Gale, Stoltz was forced on them by the head of Universal Ned Tanen (he thought Stoltz was going to be the next big thing). Gale said Stoltz was wise beyond his years and was trying to act the part of a teenager instead being one (That's the case with a number of actors, though). I think Eric could have stayed on had he nailed the kind of humor/energy they were going for, but he couldn't (or wouldn't).

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He certainly would have been a big deal if had gotten the part. I think we would gotten a film with a bit more attitude. Could have been interesting. Who knows, he might have had total crap chemistry with Lloyd.

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Lloyd felt that their chemistry was fine, which is why he was completely surprised and saddened when Eric was fired. If their chemistry was awful, Eric wouldn't have been fired after filming so many scenes. The movie was almost completed according to the August `85 issue of Starlog, Tom Wilson and Crispin Glover.

Part of the problem is that Zemeckis wasn't giving Eric enough direction, something which was confirmed by Eric in 1994 when he was interviewed for the L.A. Times. In 2010, a woman who worked for Amblin had responded to a Hollywood Reporter article by saying that Spielberg told Zemeckis not to give Eric any direction at all so that the studio execs could look at the rushes and reach the conclusion that Eric needed to be replaced by Fox.

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Interesting. I had no idea so much footage was shot. I wonder if they kept that around. Gotta be in a can somewhere.

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Wonder what spielbergs real motivations were.

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Gale claimed that they didn't throw out the footage because it had historical significance and that it would be released some day ("Stoltz is still a working actor").

The August `85 issue contained an article whose info came from interviews with Neil Canton (co-producer), Zemeckis and Bob Gale. In that instance, it's legit.

Spielberg is suspicious. In the October 24, `85 issue of Rolling Stone, he said: "I should have waited, and yet I wanted the film out for the summer."

He elaborated for a 1987 book titled Oscar Dearest: "I should have gone with my hunch and delayed the film until we got Michael J. Fox."

You would think that he would have been smart enough to shoot around Fox's absence. In the December 1988 issue of Box Office, one of the three casting directors for BTTF (Mike Fenton) said: "Everyone had just seen Mask, which Eric starred in and which Universal owned; and I think that the studio decided that Eric was going to become a very important actor. They thought it was a great idea to cast him in a role that was the exact opposite of the one in Mask, and Steven Spielberg allowed Universal to make that final decision."

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I was listening to a podcast of pretty reliable guys and they said one of the reasons why Stoltz was canned because Zemeckis always wanted MJ Fox but he wasn't available, then he became available. Of course other reasons on top of that. But Fox becoming available was the trigger.

And for once Hollywood had their instincts on point. Nowadays we get Sam Worthington, Jai Courtney, Charlie Hunnam, Taylor Kitsch, Shia LaBeouf, Chris O'Donnell etc etc forced down our throats as "the guy".

EDIT: I didn't read the full thread before I commented. You guys know a lot more than I on the subject and this thread is a great read. Sometimes I'm glad IMDB boards were purged and a lot of the idiots were removed the conversation as they had very little to add to the conversation anyway.

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Oops - I meant Sid Sheinberg not Ned Tanen.

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I don't think Stoltz had the innate likeability of Fox, who exuded it just by being on screen. Stoltz would have had to struggle with that, and it probably showed in the dailies. I mean, it must have been serious for a studio to essentially tear up almost a completed film to recast.

But who among us wouldn't LOVE to see the original footage??

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Indeed.

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"I don't think Stoltz had the innate likeability of Fox," agreed

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Yeah. The gist of it seems to be that Bob Gale & perhaps to a lesser degree Spielberg had always wanted Fox for the role but ended up grudgingly settling for Stoltz. This may have played into the rumor that Gale had long planned to replace Stoltz with Fox & was just going through the motions & filming Stoltz as a stand in for all off those weeks of shooting. Simultaneously using him for a practice run until Fox became available.

It would explain Stoltz's reported claim of a lack of direction on how to portray the character which would explain his stilted & ultra "method" approach compared to Fox.

Ultimately though as cut throat as that all seems, Michael J. Fox had such a natural boyish charm & likability, with a great sense of subtle comedic timing that made him the obvious correct choice.

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Not saying that didn't happen, but that would have been an enormous gamble that the plan would work. From what I've read, the film was like 80% or more completed, so if the studio didn't agree to a recast and a total reshoot, Gale would have been "stuck" with the footage already shot with Stoltz.




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I think it's plausible that Gale surmised that with Spielberg's full support & Gale possibly deliberately allowing Stoltz to play the part incorrectly/poorly, it would be would be enough to convince the studio, which as it turned out, it was.

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Not implausible certainly, but still a gamble. Studio execs are very prickly about going overbudget on anything, even a few days or a few dollars.

In any case, it would appear to have worked out for the best. I've seen a few snippets of Stoltz as Marty and it seems that Fox was just built for that role.

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According to some of the 1985 newspaper articles that I found on the Newspapers site: "A rumor has been floating around that several key shots had been bungled early in the shooting, and Stoltz was fired as a scapegoat."

That would definitely have convinced the execs to start from scratch. Gale and Spielberg are getting so much heat for being backstabbers, but Zemeckis is also guilty of this. In different `85 newspapers, he was quoted as saying: "Eric is a fine actor, and I wouldn’t hesitate to work with him again. There was nothing wrong or bad about his performance. His portrayal simply wasn’t in synch with what I wanted the movie to be."

You never hear any stories about Zemeckis offering Stoltz roles to compensate him.

Here is a Stoltz quote from a May 26, 1994 issue of The Index-Journal (Greenwood, South Carolina): "Zemeckis told me he made a mistake hiring me. He said I was doing good work but wasn't giving him what he wanted."

Later that year, he was interviewed for the L.A. Times where he said: "Zemeckis told me I was giving a good performance in a film he didn’t want to make – contemplative and thoughtful instead of comedic. I felt I could have done the part had he pointed me in that direction."

Stoltz's agent, Helen Sugland, was quoted as saying that his firing was totally out of left field because they had heard only positive things for six weeks.

This Zemeckis quote from Robert J. Emery's The Directors: Take Two (a rare book) can be found in Tom Shone's Blockbuster (the opposite of rare): "It was the hardest meeting I’ve ever had in my life and it was all my fault. I broke his heart."

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What a total conspirancy!

Three grown up Hollywood millionaires gang up against a teenager they hired themselves to murder his carreer.
I want Columbo on this case!

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Well, Eric's stunt double contradicted Gale's claim that Fox was better than Eric as a skateboarder.

Source: http://philsfilmadventures.blogspot.com/2012/02/phil-attends-cult-movie-series.html

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The plot thickens...

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They only filmed with Stolz for about a month, and had already decided they would have to reshoot a lot of his scenes anyway. They just weren't getting what they needed out of him, and other actors on set were getting fed up with his "method".

I think it's a bit out there to guess they shot for him to fail. If he'd nailed the role, they'd have been delighted. They actually wanted Fox first, but would have had to wait for his TV series commitments. Later they said they wished they'd simply waited.

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They would never have been truly satisfied with working with Stoltz even if he was funny, because he wasn't popular enough to guarantee a big box office taking that a sitcom star would.

As much as he gets accused of being a buzzkill, two of the on-set photos of him with Crispin Glover show that he wasn't above laughing at Crispin's jokes. If you look at those photos, you will see that Bob Gale was the one who was too moody on set because he didn't get the star he wanted.

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The book "We Don't Need Roads" sheds a lot of light on this, and gets it from interviews with principals involved in production, rather than gossip rags. They were honestly trying to make the film with Stolz, and it appears the claim Zemeckis wasn't giving Stolz direction just isn't true:

"However oblivious the editors were to Zemeckis’s discontent with Stoltz, there were others who saw red flags. “I kind of sensed for about three weeks prior to the fact that they weren’t happy and were looking for a solution,” cinematographer Dean Cundey says. “While I heard a couple of rumors, there was nothing concrete for any of us in the circle to go by just watching on the set. Bob would want something that would make you say, ‘Yeah, that’s pretty funny,’ and Eric would say, ‘Well, no, I don’t think I can do that.’”

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"From the first day of shooting, the director had to put in extra effort to try and coax out of Stoltz the comedic performance that he and Gale had imagined would be there during the writing process."

Sheinberg wasn't totally committed to Stolz. He liked Stolz, and preferred casting him to C. Thomas Howell (who others thought was funny in screen tests). However, he promised that if Stolz didn't work out they could recast and reshoot.

This movie wasn't considered to be a shot in the dark spec effort. Zemeckis had just directed FOX's ONLY hit the previous year, Romancing the Stone. Steven Spielberg. who had liked the project for years, had Amblin on board for production. Everyone loved the script. They all expected the film to hit as long as they got it right, so they were committed to that.

While they were working with Stolz, they had been told Fox was off limits, period. So they had no idea at the time they'd be able to get him. And they wouldn't have if Spielberg couldn't have played on friendship, in desperation to recast.

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In the publicist's visual history book, Sheinberg denied telling Gale that he would let them start over again if they weren't happy. Sheinberg claimed that it wouldn't have made sense for himself to consider that the actor who he was rooting for could be wrong for the role. He also said that Spielberg had enough power at the time that if he thought that Eric was miscast then he could have easily put his foot down before filming began.


In 2003, Crispin Glover did an interview for Zap2it where he explained why Eric won the role: "I did all of the screen tests with all the people that went up for the role, for Marty McFly. I could tell that there was a way that they were going for the character, kind of light comedy. I don't know exactly how to describe it. There was a certain type of people they were bringing in and Eric Stoltz came in and the scenes were playing better when he was playing it, but it wasn't quite as light or comic. But he was a better actor than the other people that were coming in. What happened was there were probably personal aesthetic contradictions going on at the time with the director. But, I think because they were initially going for this comedic thing, they were becoming concerned, and so they weren't happy about that."


It's funny how there was a disparity between the reflections from the cast and crew members. Lloyd and Crispin talked about how they were surprised that Stoltz was fired. In an interview for Slice of SciFi, Crispin had this to say about whether it was common knowledge during shooting that Stoltz was miscast: "It was not known, and it was surprising."


In Tom Wilson's memoir, The Masked Man, he said it was only during the final week that the mood on the set started to feel off. He thought that it was himself who was the problem. Joel Silver, a business partner of Zemeckis, told Empire magazine (December `93) that it was only during the final week of filming that they realized that the film was terrible.

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Ironically, Gale and Spielberg disagreed on one thing - the casting of C. Thomas Howell as Marty McFly. In the 2015 visual history book, Gale claimed that he wanted to cast C.T.H. but Spielberg "wasn't ready to commit to Tommy yet."

This would suggest that Spielberg thought that C.T.H. was too immature.

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I think Stoltz was not the right choice for the role, but it's obvious they treated him like crap. I wish they'd release the footage some day to end all speculation.

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If you look online for "BTTF 1984 script" then you will find that Stoltz was the right choice for what they were doing at the time - a dark PG-13 movie (edgier jokes and more drama).

As for how he was treated, you can tell by looking at some of the production photos that they were less invested in him. In a
photo with Stoltz outside his trailer, Bob Gale looks like a sourpuss whereas Zemeckis wasn't even paying attention when "directing" the scene between Principal Strickland and Marty.

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By the time they cast Stoltz they knew they were making a different movie as they had already tried to cast Fox.

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One particular thorny issue is when the film-makers first wanted to cast Fox. There is a casting sheet dated August 1985 where the only candidates listed for the role of Marty McFly were Eric Stoltz, C. Thomas Howell, Ralph Macchio and John Cusack. While it may seem that Fox had already been approached before then, Bob Gale claimed that Gary Goldberg (the sitcom producer) was first approached either in September or October*.

It just so happens that late September was when Season 3 of Family Ties began - this was the season where Fox became the lead because the star didn't appear that much to her pregnancy.

* https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/secret-cinema-interview-with-back-to-the-future-s-bob-gale-and-sc-s-fabien-riggall/

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I forgot to mention before that I remember Stolz himself in a rare interview in which he discussed Back To The Future, strongly suggested that he wasn't given the proper direction, stating that he wasn't being given a lot of instruction & no one complained & that if he was instructed to be more fun & comedic he believed he could have done that.

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I have zero information on what happened on the set, but frankly I would be surprised if *any* actor didn't alibi himself out of the reason he didn't perform.

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Like I've said, I think Zemeckis, Gale & Spielberg were "absolutely correct" to choose Michael J. Fox over Stolz as he was perfectly suited for the role. Still that doesn't mean that there can't be any truth to the claim that Zemeckis perhaps even subconsciously didn't give Stoltz the most hands on direction, given that in the back of his mind he was still holding out for Fox.

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The only thing that's suspect about Stoltz is that he has recently claimed to have no memories of his entire time on set.

...this despite what Sean Astin (his Memphis Belle co-star*) mentioned in his autobiography: "Eric is a dear friend of mine, and he’s told me the story of his firing on more than one occasion. I know how painful it was for him."

* Among the cast of Memphis Belle were two actors from BTTF - Billy Zane and Courtney Gains.

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In 1985, Zemeckis talked about the subject at 6:57 ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaWHBvCi2PI

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