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The only problem with Robotech


People complain about bad localization, pointless character changes, and differing plot devices from the original shows, but come on... it was the 1980's!!!!

This show was way ahead of its time. I can forgive all of the above just so long as I keep in mind the time frame and the atmosphere for anime in North America at the time. I honestly believe this show only has one MAJOR stumbling block that irritates me to no end...

THAT INSIPID NARRATOR!!!!


Seriously, if the bits of the narrator where he is stating the obvious were taken out, I feel Robotech would have been almost as good as Macross.

What do you think?

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In a way, the Narrator really grew on me, I do appreciate the presence of him for being the most prominent consistency through all three arcs. Granted, he could come off as over-used at times, but he's really one of those elements that sets Robotech apart from other stories like Voltron, while similar to other epic-length tales like the DragonBall trilogy. However, I will say this much, I liked that we didn't have to put up with him in The Shadow Chronicles. The style of that feature, while still "Robotech" in many aspects, is vastly different enough from the 85 eps that the Narrator would've made it damn cheesy.

"You hear what happened to me last night?"
"You got lucky?"
"They put a tracer on me!"

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Fair enough. I couldn't have said it better myself.

The narrator wasn't a bad element, per se. However, he really became over-used sometimes and that ruined the integrity of a few of the moments in the series.


Case in point:

Think back to episode 11 where Roy tells Minmei that Rick is missing. She assumes he is dead and runs off to be alone. The sad music comes in, we think we are going to have a great character moment... and the stupid narrator comes in and dampens the integrity of the scene with "saddened by the news of Roy Folker concerning the fate of her good friend Rick Hunter, Minmei withdraws to the park on the outskirts of Macross city to remember a time no so very long ago when things seemed so simple, and life was more normal."

That was not only long-winded, but entirely pointless. The narrator just stated the obvious. I love Robotech, and I love Macross. I just wish the makers of Robotech had more sense to allow it to speak for itself (metaphorically, not literally) more often.

In episode 67, Lunk pays his respects to Alfred Nader at the end of the episode. No narrator, nothing out of place... just perfect. I just wanted more moments like that.

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In episode 67, Lunk pays his respects to Alfred Nader at the end of the episode. No narrator, nothing out of place... just perfect. I just wanted more moments like that.


Yeah, the writing, acting, etc. did get better as the series went on. Compare the Narrator himself between episode 1, where he sounded like a standard news broadcaster, to the final episode where he was very much into the hype of the action ("For Corg, the Invid Prince, there is no room for error. Only the glory of victory, following the CLIMATIC battle abaout to begin!"). It's not just like that for Robotech, but so many other anime dubs such as Evangelion, DragonBall Z, among so many others where the voice actors kinda take some time getting into their characters, some eventually knocking the ball out of the park. I think the VA who had the best talent from beginning to end was Greg Snegoff and this continues on in The Shadow Chronicles, whom gave us the epic of all evils Khyron and then the most tragic military figure in Scott Bernard.

"You hear what happened to me last night?"
"You got lucky?"
"They put a tracer on me!"

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Truthfully, I am surprised people complain about Robotech as often as they do. Granted, it might seem abominable by today's localization standards, but the show accomplished so much. It arguably paved the way for the take-off of anime in North America, and it actually made adults CARE for cartoons.

The adaptations are surprisingly faithful to their sources, except for "Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross." As a result, "Robotech Masters" was a mess. That was not surprising though because Southern cross wasn't that good to begin with. XD

Shadow Chronicles was good. I hope we get a sequel to that someday.

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Truthfully, I am surprised people complain about Robotech as often as they do. Granted, it might seem abominable by today's localization standards, but the show accomplished so much. It arguably paved the way for the take-off of anime in North America, and it actually made adults CARE for cartoons.


Totally agreed!

The adaptations are surprisingly faithful to their sources, except for "Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross." As a result, "Robotech Masters" was a mess.


Only if comparing it to Southern Cross. In the context of Robotech, I wouldn't have that animatied story any other way.

That was not surprising though because Southern cross wasn't that good to begin with. XD


How true, Robotech made it better, even iconic~

"You hear what happened to me last night?"
"You got lucky?"
"They put a tracer on me!"

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I like the Narrator. I think he added description that added to the value of the show.

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People complain about bad localization, pointless character changes, and differing plot devices from the original shows, but come on... it was the 1980's!!!!


... and, of course, looking at its original Japanese counterparts (and Voltron's as well) no one ever questions the concept of a bunch of white people in space with (mostly) Japanese names who also communicate with each other in fluent Japanese.

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It wasn't just over-use, but the fact of WHAT he was given to say. I remember the Southern Cross episode where a relief ship shows up, supposedly returned from the Expeditionary force. In the next episode, the narrator contradicts everything claimed in the previous one by saying that the ship was coming from Space Station Liberty, which had been blown up at the start of the series. How exactly did they forget so quickly what was supposed to be going on? Then there was the Macross episode where he ended it by talking about Rick's feelings for Minmei, "the girl he someday would very much like to call...his girlfriend." I was expecting him to say "wife," or something with a smidgen of weight to it, and not what might well be the weakest final line in any television episode I've ever seen.

However, I'd gladly keep him in exchange for the omission of those two insipid Minmei songs that they endlessly repeated throughout the Macross series. It's not just that Reba West wasn't a very good singer, but the songs themselves were terrible, especially "To Be in Love," which has stunningly moronic lyrics and a melody line that goes randomly stumbling around like a deer with an arrow in its neck. Did the term "catchy" never occur to them? They could at least have turned on the radio and tried to mimic the style of pop songs of the day. I can't think of a time in history when "Stage Fright" would've been a hit.

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Dana Sterling is my only problem with the show, how the heck did this moron get to be an officer?

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In the next episode, the narrator contradicts everything claimed in the previous one by saying that the ship was coming from Space Station Liberty, which had been blown up at the start of the series. How exactly did they forget so quickly what was supposed to be going on?


Actually, Space Station Liberty wasn't destroyed in The Masters, though it is 15 years later in The Shadow Chronicles. What happened is contact was cut off by the Robotech Masters in "Dana's Story" and it was briefly re-established in "Volunteers", apparently which prompted the REF to send Carpenter's ship.

"Just tell the minister, I'm gonna be a few minutes late". *Cue John Williams' Superman theme*

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It's been a long time since I sat down and watched any of these, but I seem to remember a bit of the Earth HQ claiming they had lost contact with the station, which then cut to a space shot of drifting wreckage, implying the station had bought the farm. Nevertheless, the primary point, that the narrator gave a contradictory account of where the relief ship came from just one episode later, still stands. There's also the part where he claims the Invid are planting an agent to spy on the resistance forces, when just looking at the animation makes it obvious that the "agent" was an egg that got dropped by accident, and was never meant to be spying on the heroes. It's as if they wanted to make it a total rehash of the Zor Prime plotline, when it was originally a different kind of story entirely. I have no idea why they re-wrote that bit to make it seem more repetitious.

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The narrator's voice is not only annoying, and often unneccesary, but also gives out wrong or contradictory information.

For example, in one episode, the narrator talks about Dolza's "ultimate goal" of destroying Earth. WHAT? This never came up until at least 6 episodes later, and clearly had not been in his mind until then.

Thenthere's the scene where Minmei goes home to visit her family and is reuinited with Kyle. The family refuse to allow her to return to the SDF-1, until Kyle says she should be able to make her own decisions, and, he'll go with her to make sure she's alright. So in the next episode, the narrator says her family INSISTED that Kyle go with her. WHAT?


Of course, the series has far more problems than that. Trying to forcibly connect 3 unrelated series was a mistake. EVERY time a reference to one of the other series crops up in MACROSS, it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. it just feels so WRONG.

Like in "Reconstruction Blues", where Rick is thinking to himself, and mentions The Robotech Masters. WHAT??? Where did that come from at all?

Or in "The Messenger" when Exedor casually mentions "retrieving the Protoculture factory"-- and NOBODY reacts to it. At all. Of course. They can't. In the orignal version, it DOESN'T EXIST.

But on top of that, I just watched "The Robotech Masters". That's why I checked out the IMDB today. It's listed as following "Reconstruction Blues". NO WAY. Everty single element of these 2 episodes screams that "The Robotech Masters" takes place immediately before "Reconstruction Blues", not after. The long stretches of focus on the immmeidate aftermath of total destruction; the beginnings of Zentadi going renegade and wanting to return to warliek ways; Kyle becoming a bigger jerk; and Minmei visiting her family, then heading to Granite City for a concert... where she was in "Reconstruction Blues". On top of all the problems this series has (to anyone sane watching it), HOW can they possibly run 2 episodes like that backwards-- and WHY is it listed that way on this site?

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Because that's the order they aired in. If it was some transposition error, it was made in Japan, because the Japanese episodes aired in the same order.

I've often thought that the real test of how much someone likes a particular property is the extent to which they're willing to overlook its shortcomings. Robotech is a real challenge in that area-the show meant a lot to me as a teen, but even then I knew I was having to just ignore lots of problems: the overused and often incorrect narration, the awful Minmei music, people saying "huh" way too much, the sound guy who thought the audience needed to hear Sean Phillips say "Out with her Don Juan, where else?" echoed thirty times, the ever-shifting definition of Protoculture (the "power of love!" Miriya claims around episode 30 or so...or, you know, some kind of plant-energy), and so on. I do remember Carl Macek once said that the production schedule on the show was only two days per episode-scripting, recording, the whole shebang, so I guess some bad continuity and other such issues are understandable. As someone who works in video production, I have to say such a pace sounds positively nightmarish.

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Don't go blaming the original series. In Macross Protoculture has only one meaning and Macross and Southern Cross were two completely different and unrelated series, so you can't really say they have continuity errors between them.

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And when did I say otherwise? OBVIOUSLY I'm referring to continuity errors in the Robotech version. I never said word one about protoculture being confusing in the Japanese version. I'm quite thoroughly familiar with how the American show came into being. You seem to have read my previous post really quickly and completely missed the point of my reference to the Japanese version.

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