Poor Orry!! (Spoilers)


Maybe one of the most unhappy characters in literature / movies!!!

- First disgrace that happens to him, Bent starts hating him at first glance, making his staying at West Point much harder than expected.
- Oh, I forgot: he finds the true love of his life just before leaving his home for West Point.
- Then, Madeleine's father steals and hides his letters to his beloved one.
- Deceived by his apparent lack of interest, Madeleine agrees to marry Justin.
- He has to resist his best friend's criticism about his life style, knowing that, no matter how much he loves his land and family, George is right.
- Orry is seriously wounded in his leg while at war against Mexico
- He fights in the bad guys' side of the Civil War and he loses.
- Madeleine runs away from him and hides his child to him for several months (years?)
- When he tries to restart his life at Mont-Royal, his house is reduceed to ashes and his mother dies
- And, at the beginning of the third book, he is killed.

Certainly, I think that, should his character have been informed about his fate in his adolescence, he would have commited suicide!!

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Ya his storyline is definitely not the happiest :( As for his death in the 3rd book, I don't count it. lol. The 3rd book was too outlandish for me.

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Actually, in the original novels on which the miniseries were based, Orry died toward the end of Book II, before the Civil War ended. He is shot by a deserter while at the Petersburg lines, and much of the latter half of "Love and War" (the book title of the second part of the North and South trilogy) is spent detailing how everyone finds out about Orry's death, and how they deal with it.

However, the producers of the miniseries were so happy with Swayze's performance as Orry that they decided that he shouldn't share book-Orry's fate. Thus it is that in the TV version, Orry survives and is happily reunited with George after spending what looks like about fifteen minutes inside a Yankee prison.

Unfortunately, by the time Wolper got around to filming Book III, Patrick Swayze was a huge star and unavailable to participate. What to do, since Orry was still alive and kicking at the end of Book II? No problem - some stock footage was dug up of Swayze walking across a room, stunt doubles were brought in, and that's how Bent rather randomly shoots Orry Main to death at the beginning of Book III.

That's also why I won't even watch the dreck that is Book III. It's bad enough Wolper departed so radically from Book II by having Orry live, but to just blow him away at the beginning of Book III because Swayze wasn't available was a huge insult to the character, and to N&S fans.

Even worse was the throwaway scene just after, where George - who's been best friends with Orry since they were both teenagers, mind you - utters one half-hearted "I just can't believe he's gone"...and that's the end of it. A few scenes later Constance is dead (that at least is book canon, although I hated Jakes for doing that) and George gets busy wooing Madeline before Constance's corpse is cold.

Actually, all of Book III, both book and movie, really suck bad, but the offhand murder of Orry is the worst transgression of the lot.

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I agree. Book III was awful. As much as I loved the first two, I hated the third. It was so disjointed and just awful.

"If I don't suit chu, you kin cut mah thoat!"

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Actually, I was pretty satisfied with Orry's fate in Book II. Hated it, but understood it.

But I was also happy to have the version where he lives with a child and Madeline. There's the real version, which makes sense, and the movie/fan version (because who really wants Orry to die??!) which satisfies my inner romantic. I've never seen the third part of the miniseries, even though I own the box set. Never want to see it.


"Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out."

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I did watch it and I regretted it very much, it was simply awful. The first two parts were brilliant though! Never stopped loving them.

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I agree. Orry and Madeline should have had a "happily ever after" ending.

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He fights in the bad guys' side of the Civil War and he loses.

gwydno, where do you get this "bad guy's side" stuff? I am offended beyond belief.


"Save your Dixie cups; the South shall rise again!"

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Well, as we say in Spain, you have now a double task: to offend yourself and to "un-offend" yourself.
We have our own secessionist morons here, and don't have much time to listen to others' endless lists of historic affronts.

Regards.

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Whatever.

"Save your Dixie cups; the South shall rise again!"

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Stories arent interesting unless theres challenges and defeats and such.
Though I agree Orry had it worse in the movies than George did. I think being captured and beaten by Wayne Newton was a way to balance that stuff out.

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Orry is a pretty tragic character. In the book he lost his arm, and he and Madeline didn't have any children, in fact she wondered if Justin was right that it was because of her they couldn't have a baby. And Orry died in the war.

I also felt sorry for him at West Point because he had a harder time with the academics than George did.

He was pretty hard on his luck, it reminds me of me, lol. Nothing comes easy.

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I think I will pretend that the happy ending of TV series II is the real one, and I will be in no hurry to watch TV series III (even though I know that most of it is canon as far as book III goes), which seems to just destroy what TV series II fixed (and I don't own it on DVD either).

Intelligence and purity.

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I like the third movie mostly because I like Philip Casnoff so much and he has a lot of screen time in it. I also think it was his best acting performance as Bent. But yeah, most people don't like the third movie.

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I guess I will give it a try at some point in the future, just to be able to say that I did. But I don't have it on DVD, and I don't feel any hurry to see it. So I guess that it won't happen yet for many years to come.

Intelligence and purity.

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The bad guys side lol

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