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Kirstie Alley should have returned as Savvik


wouldve made it feel like a true continuation of II. Kirstie Alley mustve done Runaway instead of ST III - Tom Sellecks Blade Runner - coming a year after his Raiders (High Road to China)

picture Alley in Trek III and the movie gets better already all the stuff on Grissom, then with young Spock, the chemistry with David, his death scene wouldve been even more powerful, telling Kirk his son is dead. the scene of Savvik and Kirk on genesis, and that glance between Spock and Savvik at the end. it wouldve worked so much better.

plus like the Savvik in III shed have had her hair all long/permed like in Runaway the same year
http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/261767/261767_large.jpg

plus if Alley had done III she wouldve had a cameo in IV and the Valrius role in VI (as it was originally intended to be savvik - Meyer wanted Alley back but she declined, and Robin Curtis wasnt considered. So it went to Kim Cattrell who had been the original choice for savvik in Trek II) it wouldve made alot of sense since Savvik wouldve watched Klingons kill the man she loved - Kirks son

imagine sitting there in the cinema xmas 91 watching Kirk and Spock interacting with Savvik knowing Meyer is calling the shots like its 82 all over again! itd have been like Wrath of Khan part 2

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I'd heard that she wanted more money, and was thus replaced. But I like Alley's take on Saavik better than Curtis.


"Oh no...they sent the wrong Spock!"

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http://whatculture.com/film/12-least-successful-recastings-of-iconic-f ilm-characters.php/2

Films: Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984) & Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986)

Replacing: Kirstie Alley

It might seem ridiculous to say so now, but Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was originally intended to be the last Star Trek film. The critical and commercial failure of Star Trek: The Motion Picture led to the second film being made on a much lower budget, and the fact that Spock was being killed off in its climactic moments put a feeling of finality upon proceedings. But once TWOK became a commercial hit, producer Harve Bennett began planning a further sequel, which subsequently became a loose trilogy with Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

Most of the core cast of TWOK returned for Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, with Leonard Nimoy stepping into the director’s chair as well as reprising the title character. But Kirstie Alley, who had played his half-Vulcan counterpart Saavik, did not return. Saavik was Alley’s first big screen role, and due to a legal oversight her contract did not contain any stipulations regarding a sequel. Worrying about being typecast, Alley demanded more money but Bennett refused and replaced her with Robin Curtis for the next two films.

Alley’s performance as Saavik is one of the more under-appreciated aspects of TWOK. It’s a thankless role in some respects, having to play the by-the-book rookie against the experienced crew of the Enterprise, but Alley brought an earnest commitment to the role which made it more than the “tits and ass” performance that the producers wanted. Curtis, by contrast, isn’t particularly charismatic and seems uneasy amongst all the prostethics and silly costumes. While Alley worked hard to make her character rounded, Curtis allows Saavik to become at best an awkward distraction.

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some rare Alley Savvik pics (I haven't seen them b4 anyway)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1e/37/87/1e378705fec853ea81d40e211bb13f63.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/02/263F5F7600000578-0-image-m-17_1425315552327.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/17/ec/e817ecb4dd3bc6ab687aa453033dcbcf.jpg

some 1984 pics from Runaway (how shed have looked if shed been in Trek III - I imagine shed have had permed longer hair like Curtis as it was fashionable at the time.)
http://cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com/images/261767/261767_large.jpg
http://www.kino.de/wp-content/gallery/k/i/kirstie-alley/runaway-spinnen-des-todes-kirstie-alley-7-rcm0x1920u.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/EFB8JK/kirstie-alley-runaway-1984-EFB8JK.jpg

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I liked Robin Curtis in this, and was the most attractive of the three

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Alleys reveals why she didn't do III:
http://trekmovie.com/2016/08/06/kirstie-alleys-convention-debut-a-huge-success

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Did she, though? Her first response was "I don't know," then goes on to mention she was offered less money for a role that was described to her as larger. Sounds like it was just about the $$$, which is no great revelation on her part. That info has been out there for a long time.

I think it was more interesting to know that this year was her first con appearance.

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I always in the back of my mind, thought that (her performance withstanding) Robin Curtis simply looked too "contemporary". Her hairstyle (a permed mullet type of do) was extremely distracting, especially when compared to Kirstie Alley's hair as Saavik in The Wrath of Khan.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Kirstie-Alley-preferred-so-much-over-Robin-Curtis-for-Saavik-in-the-Star-Trek-movies

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The critical and commercial failure of Star Trek: The Motion Picture... But once TWOK became a commercial hit


Wow, talk about rewriting history. The Motion Picture made $4 million more at the box office in US & Canada compared to The Wrath of Khan and $45 million more worldwide. And that's not factoring in inflation. In other words, The Motion Picture was more popular at the cinema compared to the overrated sequel.

More than that, it made by far the most at the worldwide box office until Star Trek VIII: First Contact in freakin' 1996! That just blows your whole rewritten history claim.

Now I realize you're going to argue that TWOK cost much less to make and therefore made more money for the studio, but (1) that doesn't change the fact that TMP was more popular at the box office and (2) it doesn't make TMP a commercial failure since it made money for the studio, it just underperformed in the minds of the greedy bastages even though no Star Trek film would make more money worldwide until First Contact 17 years later.

As for being a "critical failure," according to whom? Roger Ebert gave it a solid Thumbs Up and he was one of America's preeminent critics.

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Yes also TMP also had all the failed attempts to bring back Trek during the 70s factored into its budget (various TV movies, a low budget theatrical movie Planet of the Titans, the 2nd TV series Phase II where they actually built the sets) as well as a fiasco with the FX company which led to them having to beg the Star Wars and 2001 guys to work literally around the clock, all costing millions more than it should. They even had to settle with Nimoy over all the money he felt he should've been paid over the years before hed sign up (and therefore no doubt had to do the same for the already signed up Shatner lol).

TMP is reported as costing 45m but its been said without the failed attempts it would've been about 30m. but I read somewhere the FX fiasco cost about 10m as well so really TMP should've only cost about 20m (by comparison Star Wars cost about 10m, and Empire cost 30m)

TWOK on the other hand barely cost 10m, bc it was able to piggyback onto TMP using all the sets and even some FX!

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Thanks Bozo. I forgot about all that other stuff (unjustly) factored into the total cost of TMP, like Phase II and Nimoy's legal settlements. No wonder it cost so much!

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I was reading some of the comments on TrekBBS, is one big problem with Robin Curtis is that her take on being a Vulcan just felt forced.

With Kirstie Alley, she had that sultry, smoky sounding voice, so it was plausible for you to believe her as an aloof, ice queen. Leonard Nimoy for that matter, had that distinctive baritone type of voice, which would naturally fit well with playing a stoic, cool-headed character like Spock.

With Robin Curtis, apparently, her natural personality is the complete opposite of what you would expect from a Vulcan. Think of somebody like Mary Hart or Amy Adams, in that she has a perky, bubbly and girly-girl personality.

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/alley-on-not-doing-trek-iii.267010/page-4

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/why-is-alley-prefered-so-much-over-curtis-for-saavik.292798/page-2

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In the case of Kristie Alley not returning some say it was because she didn't want to be typecast. In other cases it was her agent who mispresented her and wanted too much money.however I think Kristie did want to come back.

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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Saavik
-thats a lengthly article so i'll summerise:

basically meyer wanted Kim catrell as Savvik in II but she was unavailable so Alley got the part..... then for III her agent demanded too much $ (more than De Kelly apparently) so R Curtis was cast.....then for VI Meyer wanted Alley back as Savvik as he didnt dig Curtis in the role but she was too expensive due to Cheers, Look Whos Talking etc so Catrell got the new role of Valeris.....then there was the TNG episode Cause and Effect where the producers wanted Alley as Savvik to stand alongside fellow Cheers star Kesley Grammer at the end but again the $ werent enough

i guess ideally the smokin 80s Catrell couldve been Savvik throughout II, III, IV and VI.

but then Alley shouldve really come back for III, IV and then VI

but since things happened the way they did and Alley didnt return, maybe they shouldve just cast R Curtis as Savvik in VI instead of creating a new character (wouldve been cool had Alley done it - tying in with TWOK and all, but seems abit harsh not wanting Curtis there since she had taken over and since VI was bookending the Genesis 'trilogy' and it was her version of Savvik that witnessed Davids death at the hands of the klingons which would’ve been the ideal reason for savvik turning traitor - anyway audiences would’ve been abit like 'eh WTF? Alleys back as Savvik?')

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What? No jokes about Alley being in Star Trek IV - the one with the whales?


"Oh no...they sent the wrong Spock!"

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I'm glad the Saavik character didn't return in VI. I like her too much to see her turn traitor like Valeris.

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In Nicholas Meyer’s memoir The View from the Bridge Meyer says he wanted Saavik to be the traitor but Gene Roddenberry protested. Meyer thought it was odd since Saavik was a character he created.

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didn't Kirstie start Cheers when they made star trek III?

"sticks and stones may brake my bones but whips , chains, leather and tight pvc excite me"

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She didn't join Cheers until 3 years later. But she was in that incredibly awesome movie with Tom Selleck and Gene Simmons!

"Oh no...they sent the wrong Spock!"

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About that time she was on a short lived spy genre TV show called Masquerade.

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Saavik had a big part in Star Trek III. And Robin Curtis ruined it.

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Not sure if you can blame Curtis or if Nimoy was responsible. But the character certainly lost all of her humor.

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I didn't like her personality much, but she did seem spot on for a Vulcan.

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I think Kirstie alley and robin Curtis were both good

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I didn't like her personality much, but she did seem spot on for a Vulcan.


That's a part of the problem...she is TOO Vulcan. It is well known that Saavik was supposed to be half Vulcan/half Romulan in Star Trek II. The reference to this was filmed, but deleted for whatever reason. regardless of the deleted reference, Kirstie played the character with that in mind, hence the reason she curses when the Klingon trap is revealed during the Kobyashi Maru test, or why she sheds a tear at Spock's funeral. She has those small moments that show her struggle to control her emotions. That element is what gave Kirstie's performance as Saavik a spark of life and makes her a fan favorite. When Robin Curtis took on the role, they ignored the half Vulcan/half Romulan aspect of the character and thus Curtis was instructed to play the role as full Vulcan. The result was a jarring change from an interesting Saavik to a rather bland Saavik.

Trek III can ignore the line about Saavik being a half-blood due to it being cut from Trek II all it wants, but you really can't ignore all the small nuances to the character as played by Alley that was there as a result of the deleted line. In the end, the line NEVER should have been deleted from Trek II to begin with.

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Exactly. Lots of little nuances to Alley's performance. I love when Kirk finally explains how he beat the Kobayashi Maru test, and she goes non sequiter. Not beating the test was sticking in her craw and she's totally thrown for a loop when Kirk explains his "solution". I think the Curtis Saavik would have been coldly indignant.

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She seemed like more your typical Vulcan. Alley brought some humor and flirtyness to Saavik (who was half Romulan, so it made some sense).

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I agree.

I know the reasons why she didn't have been discussed to death over the last 30 years, but at the end of the day, her Saavik was great, and missed later on.

I can imagine the character played by Alley in later films and TNG (though perhaps that would justify her fear of being typecast). Still, a loss to the series, especially to the Genesis trilogy.

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Even thou robin Curtis did a decent job and I felt really bad for her when she wanted to return for undiscovered country but nick Meyer didn't like her version when Kirstie alley refused because of her cheer commitments. However I did like Kirstie version and would be been interesting to see how she would have reacted to David's death,

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Why didn't Kristy Alley play Saavik in Star Trek 3?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igfewmk88oI

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looking through the imdb trivia for STIII and saw this:

Scheduling conflicts prevented Kim Cattrall from working on this film, as she was filming Police Academy (1984) at the time. She appeared in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991).

so it appears the producers of III went back to the original choice for Saavik when Alley dropped out (which had it happened would've meant Valerius would certainly have been saavik in VI)

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Why did they have to bring the Saavik character back if they weren't able to get Kirstie Alley again? I don't understand why they couldn't simply have Robin Curtis as another Vulcan Starfleet officer (kind of like Kim Cattrall in Star Trek VI). Considering that The Search for Spock is supposed to take place immediately after The Wrath of Khan, having two different people play the same person in back-to-back movies, just throws a monkey wrench in the continuity.

https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/film3yt.php

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well another vulcan science officer woman working with David on Genesis mightve been too much a stretch ..and no back story from previous movie. I guess they couldve had her be a human science officer but they needed her to be vulcan for the pon farr stuff. Ultimately they shouldve just paid Alley what she wanted. So what if it was the same/bit more as Deforest Kelly shed have been worth it. everyone thought she was great (and hot) in Trek II and by that point they shouldve been introducing new characters like saavik to be part of the main cast to 'cool' up the series (Kirk Spock Saavik - like Kirk Spock Uhura in the JJ films)

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