Mean-spirited


I watched this movie because I'm such a fan of Hughes' other films (Breakfast Club, etc.), but I was surprised by how mean-spirited & even offensive this movie was.

Racism - the "gong" whenever the Chinese guy is mentioned, endless jokes about his Chinese name, really over the top stereotyping, "a black guy??" etc.

Sexism - joking about rape, the 'hero' Jake giving his drunk girlfriend to a horny 14-year-old to drive safely home, w/the implication that he can score, Jake kicking the door closed on his girlfriend's hair & leaving her there, older sister turned into a fool at her wedding. There was a theme of humiliating/humbling the "blonde chick" throughout really.

General meanspiritedness - the periodic shots of a girl in a brace trying to drink, dance, etc, for laughs.

I don't know, this movie left a bad taste in my mouth. And this is from someone who likes Hughes movies, or even Farrelly movies. I'm used to un-PC stuff in comedies, but maybe the difference here was the general kind of meanness that seemed to run through the movie. Flame away, but I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way.

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No because quite frankly, not everyone has as thin skin as you.

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No I don't! You're mean!! *bursts out into hysterical tears.*

Maybe what I'm seeing as cruelness is just lameness on the part of the screenwriter - going for the easy joke. And because it's a Hughes movie, I had expections that were too high. But, judging by the other threads on this board, it doesn't look like I was the only one disturbed by some of the themes of the movie.

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You can be "thin skinned" when it comes to how you yourself are treated, although in my experience it is usually bullies and jerks who like to make that point. Being disturbed by how someone else is depicted or treated is something different.

Martin Luther King Jr. was really "thin skinned" when it came to how blacks in the South were treated. See what I mean?

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So what? It's still funnier than all of the politically correct garbage Hollywood puts out now.

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I agree with ridgerunner! 

This movie is funny and people keep analyzing everything about it, it's just a movie people!

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Thanks for the nice post blondcutie1972. : ) Usually when I say anything against the political correctness garbage Hollywood keeps putting out I get lots of hate replies.

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I agree. That's why there are so few movies worth watching nowadays. These movie producers are all slaves to political correctness where certain groups can never be shown in a negative way. It's not at all like in real life.

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not just that, it's comedy in general that has been impacted. you can't make jokes anymore because there's always somebody crying racism or some kind of ism.

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First the girl in the brace had scoliosis and I knew someone with it, and she did have problems like the girl did in the movie. I never thought Jake asked Ted to drive Carolyn home so he could rape her,and Ted horny as he was was not the kind of kid that would do that anyway, he would be too scared. In the end it seems like anything that happened was not rape at all.
Where does is show that Jake knew he shut the door on her hair? He shut the door because he wanted to call Samantha and Carolyn was yelling drunkenly in the hallway.

The sister didn't turn into a fool, she had cramps and took 4 muscle relaxers instead of 1 and got loopy, which was funny because the sister was very prim and uptight in the other parts of the movie.

John Hughes tried to write how a bunch of upper middle class white kids in the midwest would talk and act during the 80's, maybe it wasn't PC but it rang true, he didn't make them heroes he just made them real teenagers which really hadn't been done before, and teenagers can be very mean and make fun of things and people they don't know.

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@rdpepper: You said it perfectly! I don't recall any rape in this movie at all! Ted was trying to take Carolyn home, but she was too drunk to tell him where she lived so they ended up sleeping in the car, but it was apparent that NOTHING happened! I love this movie because at the time I was that age and could totally relate to these characters. It was one of the first times where I watched a movie about high school kids where the actors are actually of high school age...not in their 20s!

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Were any non-PC'ers upset?

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I'd guess not very many.

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Not so sure nothing happened - Ted says "did we ...?" and Carolyn answers "yeah, I'm pretty sure". Hard to believe Ted would forget his first, but we aren't sure how much if anything he's had to drink - just kind of suggestive

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Obviously you didn't get the humor in this movie. I thought the Chinese guy was pretty funny, you gotta take the movie in a light way cause its fairly obvious they're making jokes!
And I agree, it was better than the cra* that hollywood is spitting out nowadays.

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Gooooonnnnnnggggggg!!!!

"check the imdb cast list before asking who portrayed who in movies please"

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Looking at it now, it is easy to see why you write this. However, at the time, the material was not seen the way that you now do. Now, the material is dated in terms of its social responsibilities.

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Holy *beep* There's so many thin skinned, cry babies on here!!!!

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Now, the material is dated in terms of its social responsibilities


Social responsibilities? Who the heck wants to see social responsibilities in a damn comedy film, especially teen comedy? Not me. I will take "rude, funny, and lacking social graces" for $100 Alex.

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@CCRider01. In my opinion writers for COMEDY movies SHOULDN'T walk on egg shells.

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Social responsibilities? Who the heck wants to see social responsibilities in a damn comedy film, especially teen comedy? Not me. I will take "rude, funny, and lacking social graces" for $100 Alex.


I agree, in terms of the Chinese stereotype, it's not as if anyone else from any other nationality hasn't been been on the receiving end of comedic stereotyping. Hell, the Americans have themselves and speaking as a Scot I've laughed at over the top comic representations of my people. Perfect examples being Grounds keeper Willy in The Simpsons and Fat Bastard in the Austin Powers movie's. And Gedde Watanabe was simply hilarious in his role as Long Duk Dong. This was a comedy hence it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously. I think most sensible people can see beyond the obvious caricature which was there for comedy value. Saying it's dated in terms of it's social responsibilities I think is very condescending as I think it implies that most people aren't intelligent enough to see what is an obvious stereotype. That ironically to me is more offensive.

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I grew up with the "edited for television" version of this film, and recently saw the original on DVD for the first time. In the extra interviews on the disc, the "politically inncorrect" humor of the era is addressed and it is openly recognized that it would be hard to get a Hollywood studio to make this film today with the script as it was made in the early 1980s. The actor who played the Chinese boy seemed to be ok with it in the interviews, he seems quite content that he created a memnorable, funny character who pretty much stole every scene he was in. He wasn't playing a stereotype, just a young teen from another country, limited English and unleashed into a playground of American teens. There was concern in the interviews of how close the film skirted the "date rape" issue. In the end, Jake stated in the film that he could have taken advantage of the passed out girl, but he did not actually do it. And AMH as the geek did spend the night with her in the car. It is never shown that he actually took advantage of the situation. For him, it was enough that she thinks something probably happened between them and she was ok with it. I have always concluded that nothing actually happened between them, and the geek was just happy to finally be socially accepted by someone like her. I know this film was rated PG before PG13 existed, and since I have memories of multible viewings of the edited for tv version, I was surprised by the close up body shots in the shower scene and the 2 F words. For me the shower scene really wasn't necesary for the film to work, and even Hughes chose to cut out simularly scripted scenes in the Breakfast Club and Ferris Bueleer's Day Off. In the disc interviews, the general opinion was that the John Hughes trilogy 16C/TBC/PIP was written the way teens of the era really talked, it wasn't trying to be politically correct or to dumb down the kids. There is a realism in the way the kids talked, the way it was filmed on location in the suburbs using mostly real teenagers, not just in a LA studio with already popular actors or young looking adults playing teen roles. I can see why some people looking through the politically correct lenses of today might take issue with this film. But as a teen who grew up in the eighties, I can honestly say that I went to school with people who could have easily been the characters in the Breakfast Club. John Hughes did capture that era with a realism that is sadly lacking from most fims made about teens that have been made since.

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The world is too politically correct now. I really enjoyed this film if you want to see todays piece of trash rent Project X. It is not funny & is mean spirited unlike 16 Candles.

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How about Nerve? The lead white girl's best friends included the Japanese-American from Orange is the new black, pretty realistic and was one of the biggest hits a year and a half ago.

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LOL, the fact people still think he was a Chinese exchange student is racist in itself. He was a KOREAN exchange student. So, all Asians are Chinese?! THAT is racist!!!

J/K, but it does give something to think about(most people I've ran into, especially on this board, still think Long Duck Dong is Chinese). Saying a Korean is Chinese is like saying a Cuban is Mexican or saying an Irish is German. Ironic thing, that's actually what was more common back then(everybody referring to all different Asian nationalities as being "Chinese". It really hasn't change that much, has it(again, J/K, LOL).

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The reason everyone thinks he's chinese is because everyone in the movie referred to him as being chinese. If you're referring to the actor himself, Gedde Watanabe is japanese, not korean.

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Long Duck Dong is a Vietnamese name, not a Korean name. Gedde Watanabee is an Asian American born in Ogden, Utah. He IS of Japanese ancestry.

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Totally agree with you lizzy! Still love to watch it though

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