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It makes sense for the time.


At the time this movie was made we all were still under the fear of nuclear war or missile falling from the sky. First and second grade I did duck and cover in school. also where I liver in Porland Oregon we saw ships from Russia loading up on grain and sailing to Russia. Then along comes this movie and say the next war is started with no nuclear weapons and Russia just is after the wheat belt of the USA. It made sense in away. Very right the USA would not want to use nukes here and they would not either so they can grow food. This movie hit many issues right on target.

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The muddled geopolitics and invasion logic aside, Red Dawn did hit on the climate of the times and the genuine threat of Soviet/Communist aggression (we were still a few years away from the great thaw of the Cold War). An invasion/ground war on American soil was unlikely (though not impossible), but it was a necessary bit of dramatic license for Milius. The Chuck Norris movie Invasion U.S.A. (an awful, awful movie, even if you're a Chuck fan) had a slightly more plausible scenario where the Commies would use gorilla warfare and terrorist tactics, with fear being their ultimate weapon. Sound familiar?

Today people may look at films like Red Dawn and the general attitude of Americans toward the U.S.S.R. and Communist expansion as overreaction, but it's precisely because we did not that they're free to hold that unfortunately naïve opinion today.

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Actually, I think the mini series Amerika, yes with a k, with Kris Kristopherson would be the most "realistic" approach to taking out the U.S. In that series it began with the fact it had been done through political manipulation. We laugh, but remember that Hitler did not take power by military coup but political manipulation.

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Amerika is a great mini-series, and a great look at how different people react to their country being occupied by foreign troops. There was definitely a lot of political manipulation going on but that was after the US defense systems were neutralized by electromagnetic pulse, and the East German peacekeepers were put in charge of things. V, another mini-series from the same time period told the same story but with reptilian aliens disguised as humans rather than Communists.

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Then along comes this movie and say the next war is started with no nuclear weapons and Russia just is after the wheat belt of the USA. It made sense in away. Very right the USA would not want to use nukes here and they would not either so they can grow food. This movie hit many issues right on target.


The strange thing about the Russians always buying wheat was that in actuality, they produced more wheat than we did. The problem they faced was that their storage and transportation system was inadequate, and about a third of their wheat harvest would rot or be eaten by vermin before it even got to market. Their agricultural system left much to be desired, even though they had a lot of arable farmland.

A lot of what was going on at the time was fear over the possibility of the Soviets establishing a foothold in Nicaragua and spreading through Central America and into Mexico, which apparently inspired the premise outlined at the onset of Red Dawn.

But the Cold War had changed in its tenor and scope by then. I will say one thing about Richard Nixon is that he did see an opportunity in recognizing Mainland China after their schism and rift with the Soviet Union got wider. By the 70s, the Russians were more worried about China, but with China on one side and NATO on the other, they were a bit boxed in.

The whole idea of "world revolution" never really panned out, and the Soviets really didn't even have much in the way of "allies." Eastern Europe was forced to become part of the Warsaw Pact. It's like a bully who comes along and says "Be my friend or I'll beat you up." The Soviet answer to "How to win friends and influence people" left much to be desired. Eastern Europe was grumbling, and even within the Soviet Union, other nationalities and republics were growing weary of Soviet rule.

Their economy was in a shambles; the government was barely functional. I remember a joke that Brezhnev actually died in 1979, but it wasn't until 1982 that anyone actually noticed. They were in pretty bad shape, and practically nobody in the world believed in their propaganda anymore. Gorbachev's programs of Glasnost and Perestroika may have been attempts at creating a "kinder, gentler" Soviet Union, but it may have been a case of too little, too late, which ended up tanking the whole regime entirely.

I think when Red Dawn came out, a lot of people might have seen it and thought it was a bit over the top, at least in terms of the overall premise of the movie. But if one can suspend one's disbelief, it's not really a bad film.

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Maybe you missed some dialogue with the pilot. There were at least 3 nukes that hit the USA. One hit DC, and I can't remember the other two maybe Chicago and Cheyenne.

But the pilot tells the Wolverines after they rescue him.

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I believe that it was said that the Russians made it to Cheyenne, but that is where they got bogged down / were "stopped butt-cold"

I believe some of our arsenal and theirs were neutralized through using nukes - but I don't recall any particular city being singled out, but rather that silo/launch sites were of primary interest - a real focus on minimizing damage on mainland America

however - our sole allies in this scenario - the Chinese, were heavily targeted by Russia, and were essentially cut in half, population wise, by a heavy nuking campaign.


"500,000,000 screaming Chinamen"
"Wait, I thought there were a billion screaming Chinamen?"
(proceeds to inflame the campfire by tossing his drink on it, referring to them being savagely nuked)

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Omaha and Kansas City, in addition to the aforementioned DC. They also took out missile silos "in the Dakotas," so it was most likely many nuclear missiles involved, most of them being smaller in size. Probably nothing high yield. They wouldn't want to contaminate anything they didn't have to.


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