Is it just me?


Or am I the only one who thought that this version of Macross was somewhat "better" than the TV series?

I simply loved the background music score.

I love Macross. Roy is my hero!

reply

Obviously this is a more souped up, glamorous version, but I feel that one of the strong points of the original Macross series is its story, which is actually pretty complex, as well as the memorable characters. The movie presumes a prior knowledge of these elements because it really focuses on the 3 central characters while other characters are largely glossed over, and it simplifies the reasons for the war between the humans and aliens. However I have to see Macross in its original form, as I'm largely working off of my Robotech: The Macross Saga knowledge.

“Do devils love each other?”
–Lestat

reply

The Macross movie was developed durning the filming of the TV series, and you have to keep in mind they have to condense a 24 episode show into 2 hrs, and yes Macross the TV show was only intended for 24 epidsodes, but do to it's HUGE popularity, they added the aftermath story. The movie was extremely well animated for it's time. And because it's condensed it left out some of the minor sub sub sub plots to speed up the story. I love both in it's own aspect, but I love the mecha in the movie a lot more as well as the character design. And also the darkness gave it a bit more of an atmosphere that the TV version didn't have.

- What a whiny little runt... I said runt - Brian, Family Guy

reply

FYI, the backround music in Do Your Remember Love is actually mostly the same stuff featured in the Japanese tv series. :)

reply

It's not just you, I too thought the Macross movie (basically a re-interpretation of the TV show) was much better. But that's just me, so to each their own. I liked that some of the cornier elements of the TV series were removed. The character designs were greatly improved. The animation was light years superior. Macross: Do You Remember Love had this grand, majestic, almost operatic quality about it. The climatic space battle intertwined with Minmay's musical performance to create a beautiful, mesmerizing music video. The ending was richly satisfying (unlike the TV series). There has been some debate as to which version of Macross (TV series or movie) is the "true" version. I guess that was deliberatley left up to interpretation by fans. Me, I believe it's the movie version, but I'm kinda biased here. Anyway, Macross: Do You Remember Love is one of my absolute favorite movies of all time, animated or otherwise. I still love it after all these years.

Strength of mind, force of will...

reply

Actually the show was originally going to be 52 episodes but then it got cut back to 24 then it got another 12 episode extension. As to the movie in relation to the series. The story line of the show is the official timeline. The movie is supposed to be a movie made within the universe around 2045 or so. Although they used design elements from the movie in the later Macross Plus, Macross 7 and there was also Macross Zero but since it was a prequal it doesn't have much baring that regard. The only thing non-canon completly in relation to Macross is Macross II it is considered an alternate universe.

reply

No. I liked the feature film a heck of a lot more than the TV show.

reply

Thanks guys

I also kinda liked that part where they show the city in ruins and explain the story behind it. I kinda felt that they could have focused on this aspect a bit more than some of the cory, sheesy nonsense they put in the TV series.

Don't get me wrong, the TV series was great too - few moments in cinema have made my heart feel pangs of anguish.


******* SPOILERS!!!! ***********


For example when I realised that Roy had suffered a mortal wound.

******* END SPOILERS!!!! ********




No, the TV series has an appeal of it's own. No question about it.


I suppose I just can't explain why I like the movie version somewhat better. maybe it's laziness in that I can grasp most of the whole story in one short span instead of having to pop multiple DVDs to get the whole picture? :-p

reply

My first experience came with DYRL, then i saw (OFCOURSE i had when little but with really no memories to it) Robotech, or the Macross Saga to be more precise. The story is by and large almost the same, only the feel is different, the series DOES feel a liiiiiittle bit darker in Macross than in Robotech.
Still, the film has something that i can't quite point to which makes me absolutely LOVE it, maybe it's because, as i said, it has that thing of being my first REAL anime, but i think it's beyond that, because it is a goddamn great film. It is this feeling or grandiose or whatever that makes me like it more. The darkness in it sure helps too.
Still, the post-war arc in TV Macross in UNBELIEVABLY great, even in robotech format, it is simply superb. Suddenly a space war becomes a civil war on earth, and it gets much more mature and complex (the first half is a bit more boring with all the skirmishes all around). But this saga is very thrilling, much more humane, and altogether the PERFECT evolution to the first half and ending to the series. I particularly like Minmay depressed and fallen from fame while Misa becomes insecure and lovesick to the point of getting drunk, with slight happy moments for both (the dinner for Minmay and the rainy night for Misa).
Gee, THIS is a complicated choice.
(Maybe a mix of both would ROCK)

reply

Well, the animation is a little more detailed. There're fewer perspective problems (unlike a lot of TV anime), and, to borrow from another poster on another thread, the colors are richer and deeper in the feature film.

A lot of offshore animation is poor because of production schedules and budgets, both of which put a limitation on what can be done in a certain amount of time. This is particularly true with an animated TV show where you don't have a week to shoot live action, but rather have a month (if that) to crank out drawings to produce an episode.

The other thing is that the original TV show was an episodic soap opera. The feature film trimmed a lot of extras, and got down to the bare bones of the story that was told.

Hence a batter production than the TV show.

reply

Well it all depends on what you are looking for in story. The film is condensed, and therefore faster paced, and probably more exciting, but a bit more shallow in story development. The TV series is slower, and builds at a gradual pace, but it also is more effective in it's dramatic moments, as they are based on the slow build up. I think something like...


######SPOILER########







the death of Roy Fokker...





######SPOILER########



...is much more effective in the TV series because it plays on the fact that audience having gotten to know and care about him over such a long period of time before it happens.

I think that the movie is excellent, and it is far superior in art design, and animation, and it is probably a little more exciting in the short run, but I think that it is a tad more shallow than the TV series, and I prefer how the show builds slowly. The story pays off much better that way.

But it doesn't really matter as both are excellent, and you can't go wrong with either.

reply

I have not seen the original Macross but I grew up in love with Robotech. So I can go off of that (like other posters)

I used to watch alot of anime when i was a kid, but this movie kinda strikes me as the movie version of escaflowne (which is sadly flawed!) branched off of the tv show and upped the violence. Or perhaps the manga vs. film versions of Akira (which are both masterpieces) in terms of chopping stuff down. Either way, it happens in any adaptation.

The movie certainly is cool, but it gets pretty cheesy in the romantic parts. The first version I saw was the Australian dub on an old tape a few years back (the picture would roll up and down the screen through the film). Of course, that experience was terrible. Now watching it again in Japanese (the dvd has an english track as well, perhaps its the same one?) is def has the air of something that existed to jazz up the concept and at times even has an exploitative air. There's that random shower scene that every "adult" anime has on top of some pretty shocking violence (those poor Zendradi soldiers! Jesus! It's like watching Genocyber or something!). Special care is taken to be as sadistic as possible when the chance arises. Plus Exador looks like he has a ballsack for a head. And he was so dignified in his original form! Then of course there's the singing, o god the singing! Even as a kid I was embarrassed by it!

That being said, as other posters pointed out there is a grandiose atmosphere especially during the montages of everyday life (like in the beginning). The action scenes are very fluid and the characters are rendered quite well and if you know what's going on its going to hit a soft spot. Just like the soaps yo!

reply

Although I love the movie I prefer the series.

reply

Isamu1701:
"Actually the show was originally going to be 52 episodes but then it got cut back to 24 then it got another 12 episode extension."

Very important point there. I can't believe the TOTAL DESTRUCTION of Earth was ever intended as the "ending" of the story, what would be the point of that? It seems to me the show would have ended there only because the number of episodes got cut back due to budget. But when the series proved a success, they were given the go-ahead to tell "the rest of the story", only, in fewer episodes than originally planned.



In some ways, it's a shame they didn't do the 52 originally hoped for, OR, a sequel, much earlier than they did. If they'd had AT LEAST 52 episodes, the show could have been sold to America WITHOUT the hatchet-job of trying to force-fit its continuity in with 2 unrelated stories.

To me, the worst part of the "translation" was the complete change in the meaning of the word "protoculture". I could never figure out the real significance of that as it supposedly related to some kind of obscure, arcane "technology" on ROBOTECH. But when I found out it had to do more with the way people live and interact as a society, suddenly, the ENTIRE STORY made much more sense, and made the butcher-job done by Harmony Gold all the more sad and pointless.

reply