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Spoiler: After thinking about it.......I blame


Ok this is a work in progress.

But I have seen the movies numerous times and have heard others blaming Daniel-SAN saying he's the real bully!!

While these points are pretty good I still find Daniel to be the victim.

But thinking about it more, I have to now blame others.

I first blame Freddy and his friends. He instantly befriends Daniel all because he thinks Daniel knows karate. He invites Daniel to the beach the next day where they have fun. But when night falls he's getting Daniel to gawk at girls and go right over and make a move on Ali. Daniel sort of warms up to Ali.

Now at this point Johnny and his gang have arrived. Johnny's gang is getting blasted whilst Johnny wants to play is safe. He says he's got school tomorrow, he's a senior and he wants to make the most of this year.

Seeing Ali though kind of messes things up. He goes and sees Ali whilst Ali tries to deter Daniel a moment seeing trouble coming.

Daniel gets his soccer ball and returns to see Johnny and Ali arguing. Daniel watches cautiously. After Ali says she'll talk and doesn't Johnny smashes her boom box. Daniel being gentle goes to give Ali her boom but Johnny tells him to stay away and then he doesn't...Johnny picks the boom box up and then rams Daniel with it.....sending him to the ground.

Freddy's gang at this point instead of trying hold Daniel back telling him to just calm down it's not worth it goes, "yeah all right fight time" and is just eager that a fight is about to start.

Even when Daniel's on the ground they just want him to get up and go after Johnny. Daniel plugs him in the nose one and Johnny then gets the better of Daniel.

Then instead of like trying to help and talk to Daniel they just abandon him.

Freddy's friends go, "you sure pick cool people to be friends with." And Freddy goes give me a break, "he told me he knew karate"

So that's the only the reason you befriended Daniel is because he knew or supposedly knew karate.

What a jerk!

i mean he didn't even jump into defend Daniel after Johnny rammed the radio on him. If Freddy was a true friend, he would have at that point jumped in to protect Daniel saying "ok whoa things are getting a bit out of hand here, let's not lose our cool" and if Daniel had kept his cool too I believe things would have gone drastically different.

I think even the next day Johnny would have gone up to Daniel to apologize for last night AND thank him for being the bigger man saying that things could have really gotten out of hand, stating like before he wants to make the most of this year and Daniel here actually acted like the cool man and really helped keep his head here.

Heck, they could have even been friends now at that point.


The next incident is the dance incident.....

Now clearly, Daniel himself is to blame on this one. I don't know what the dinky heck he was thinking.

But as I've thought it over more and more.......I really blame Mr. Miyagi.

Daniel didn't want to go to the dance to begin with and Miyagi goes, "oh Daniel-San you too much by self not good." Daniel says that he has Mr. Miyagi and Mr. Miyagi still badgers him, "in order to make honey young bee need young flower not old prune." Daniel then states he'd not go instead he went as the invisible man......

......so what does Mr. Miyagi do????? He makes Daniel a costume that totally sticks out like a sore thumb and Ali automatically recognizes that as Daniel. I think the whole school knew it was Daniel too.

To make matters worse, some jokester decides to chuck an egg at Daniel probably because of his costume. This of course leads to Daniel going to the bathroom to wash up and that of course leads to Daniel getting the zany idea to spray Johnny with the hose.

Now let's suppose Miyagi made him a better costume one Daniel could move around more easily in.......then I think even if Daniel still got egged.........might have REALLY fully gotten away with spraying Johnny with the janitor's hose. Especially if Mr. Miyagi had put Daniel in a fully concealed costume like the Spider Man dude.

But if Daniel hadn't gotten egged he wouldn't have gotten the idea to spray Johhny-San with the hose.

More so, if Mr. Miyagi would have not pestered Daniel-San into going to the dance..........NONE OF THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED!!

Daniel had been doing fairly well just avoiding conflicts up to this point and here Mr. Miyagi twists his arm to get out and go to the dance that night!

Gee, Mr. Miyagi.....what's the matter.....you getting tired of Daniel-San.........I thought you and him were pretty good buddies.

Our savior, ladies and gentlemen.

He probably concocted the whole thing too.

He overheard Daniel's yelling that one night after Johnny-San pushed him off the road, fixed the bike for FREE, befriended Daniel, sent him to the dance hoping he'd get in a fight.

then therefore entered Daniel into the karate tournament said he'll train him for small price which was.......wash the cars, sand the deck, paint the fence/house. I think Mr. Miyagi concocted this plan so he could have Daniel-San do all that work for him!!!

It's like Kreese even said Mr. Miyagi is a pushy little bastard.....

Mr. Miyagi: oh Daniel-San lot happening at school tonight
Daniel: yeah I know.
Mr. Miyagi: oh you not going?
Daniel: yeah don't want to.
Mr. Miyagi: oh Daniel-San you too much by self not good.
Daniel: I'm not alone I have you.
Mr. Miyagi: in order to make honey young bee need young flower not old prune.
Daniel: well I don't have a costume
Mr. Miyagi: if had costume, would you go?
Daniel: maybe as the invisible man
Mr. Miyagi: invisible man??
Mr. Miyagi makes big cumbersome shower costume for Daniel-San


Yeah, I think that right there does sum up in a nutshell of a pushy bastard.




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So what if none of that happened?
Would the movie be called 'The New Kid in School'?
'The Kid from Reseda'?
'California School Days'?
It had to happen that way to have a Karate Kid story!!!

If those pen pushers up at city hall don't like it,well, they swivel on this middle digit!

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Yeah. I know.

If it didn't happen there'd been no movie.

Although with my 1st plot Johnny would still have been a hot head, but maybe a different film could have been salvaged like Daniel showing Johnny true meaning of karate and then maybe even him beating Kreese himself.

The reason mainly why I posted this is because I was getting tired of everyone picking on Daniel-San saying he's the real bully and criminal like the person who did the many crimes and immortalities of Daniel-San.

In fact I got so disgusted at that that i did my own list on Julie-San.

So I was just stating some facts here.

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Tbf, you're not stating facts, you're giving your opinion.
If you disagree with posters claiming Daniel is the bully or the criminal then simply prove them wrong by pointing out the flaws in their claims!

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Show me their list and I'll overturn about a third of them.

MAYBE MORE.


"Be excellent to each other...And....Party on!"

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Lmfao ??????????

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Yeah.......until Miyagi co-erced him to go to to the dance.

Until then everything seemed to be going fine.


"Be excellent to each other...And....Party on!"

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UPDATED:
Ok so I just saw this film again.

for the dance incident I also sort of blame Ali. She I think sort of hinted on about wanting to see Johnny getting a taste of his own medicine. This I think sort of caused a light bulb to go off in Daniel's head that it'd be awesome to someday get him.

Wouldn't that be amazing if it was a few minutes later.

I think that's what Daniel-San was thinking when he was in the bathroom cleaning up. I could also blame the jokester who egged Daniel which put him in the bathroom to begin with.

But Daniel-San was thinking this is awesome. I spray him with the hose, walk out nonchalantly and go back dancing with Ali, and Johnny comes out sopping wet all upset in front of the whole school and he'd be embarrassed. He and Ali would have a good laugh.

But the Spider-Man kid unfortunately had to be in the middle of the escape path.......and the other Cobras had to be right by the door.....and Daniel-San had to be shouting/panicking.....Get out of the way! Get out of the way! Get out of the way! Move! Move! Move!

They clearly knew it was him to before even leaving the gym as one of them shouts.........LaRusso!

But still Mr. Miyagi sent him to that dance.

"Be excellent to each other...And....Party on!"

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